Man, we need more noobs!!

[cepopeye]

Shit!, it keeps dawning on me that lately noone sucks at tricking anymore. Everyone has gainers (believe it or not, as recent as a year and a half ago it was at least moderately impressive to gainer on this forum!!), and when corks were still hardcore, and backfulls were awesome, and ch. 720 kicks meant you were a good kicker. Pretty much if you can't do all of the above at this point you are completely worthless!! Its really frustrating haha, to be considered kickass at tricking you have to be throwing doubletwists and shit all over the place! Oh well, i can't wait till our abundance of dtwists rivals those ProX douches!:juji:

[Tamonten]

...........just what I was thinking.........

[Ryoda]

Wow... I guess I am pretty much worthless. Thanks for pointing that out to me, say-pope-ay!

[shengoikee]

you're right cepopeye! we need to step it up! :ogre:

[daviddalo]

too tight popeye... too right!! i got the feeling everyone besides me can do a cork haha i feel so shit

[Ryoda]

you're right cepopeye! we need to step it up! :ogre:
I think the point of cepopeye's post was to make us awarrre of the fact that we don't need to get better, we need to make other people get WORSE.
So basically, next time you trick with someone else, kick your friend REALLY fucking hard in the face and/or genitals during a Btwist or something. That should put them out of action long enough to forget how (or develop an irrational fear of doing certain tricks).

[TKD_Andy]

Shit!, it keeps dawning on me that lately noone sucks at tricking anymore. Everyone has gainers (believe it or not, as recent as a year and a half ago it was at least moderately impressive to gainer on this forum!!), and when corks were still hardcore, and backfulls were awesome, and ch. 720 kicks meant you were a good kicker. Pretty much if you can't do all of the above at this point you are completely worthless!! Its really frustrating haha, to be considered kickass at tricking you have to be throwing doubletwists and shit all over the place! Oh well, i can't wait till our abundance of dtwists rivals those ProX douches!:juji:


hey fuck you man! i still suck and will remain that way.

i agree man, too many good ppl nowadays...

[waterboy]

i dont consider that true at all

sure more ppl have more tricks, but to me, more tricks does not always equal better.

ben brown has what, 10 tricks that he uses over andover? yet i can watch him forever

[Andy Longcat]

I can hyper cork and I'm shit ):

[twist]

I think the point of cepopeye's post was to make us awarrre of the fact that we don't need to get better, we need to make other people get WORSE.
So basically, next time you trick with someone else, kick your friend REALLY fucking hard in the face and/or genitals during a Btwist or something. That should put them out of action long enough to forget how (or develop an irrational fear of doing certain tricks).

ahaha classic =]

yea, ive been thinking the exact same thing cepopeye, when i first came here i saw vids mostly of 540s, flashes, etc.. but now everyone has a cork, can swingthru gainer, and practically EVERYONE can fulltwist.. dammit i cant do any of those yay

[540guy]

so you want mroe sucky people so your better them more people? gay

[Vince]

I suck :good:

[Munks]

Hah, this is a sign that all trickers are developing,
For example in football, if you put the Englands 1966 world cup winning team against the present team, they'd get their asses kicked,
Same goes for tricking
Just keep gettin better, and dont look back, Stirve till we are doing Back Quintuple fulls on concret, and hyper1260's on sand.....
:bandit: :bandit: :bandit: :juji: :juji: :juji: :bandit: :bandit: :bandit:

[Mastersword203]

Originally posted by daviddalo
too tight popeye... too right!! i got the feeling everyone besides me can do a cork haha i feel like shit

hey buddy dont feel bad I dont even know what a cork is:dead:

[TartanPajamas]

Or maybe those that can't cartwheel just plain don't post their footage? I know lots of newbs, I grow them in tubes.

[Ninkul]

Im a nooobb :D

[Yaku]

Or maybe those that can't cartwheel just plain don't post their footage?
Dont even look at me :wonder:

[Rizzice]

Hi, basics > greater moves. Just because you can hit it big doesn't mean you're a big man.

I don't remember seeing Rick Lee or Ben Brown throwing double corks or fatty standing fulls all the time (and I'm pretty sure Ben could care less about such moves). But they're still sick as fuck, moreso than many of the tricksters on these forums.

[Mitsurugi]

I can inverted handstand for hours

[anerky]

I can inverted handstand for hours
dang man...what training do you have?Iv been trying for the last week with no progress

[Ninkul]

i cant even handstand <_< gah!

[anerky]

i cant even handstand <_< gah!
after you master that then you can move on to inverted ones..they are a little harder and I probably need more bicep strength to do them *does bicep curls*

[NatsuGaijin]

Newbie right here. Help me!!!

[chicanerous]

after you master that then you can move on to inverted ones..they are a little harder and I probably need more bicept strength to do them *does bicept curls*
So, that's what bicep curls are for! Will bench presses and quarter squats also help my inverted handstand??? I heard they're essential.

[anerky]

Newbie right here. Help me!!!
nooooo! we can't help you because we want to stay better:tongue:

[Ninkul]

*tutorials dissappear from site*

Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!

[NatsuGaijin]

nooooo! we can't help you because we want to stay better:tongue:

Aww you guys suck. I need help.. And someone to drag my lazy ass off the computer everyday to go and practice tricking.

[glide]

Shit!, it keeps dawning on me that lately noone sucks at tricking anymore. Everyone has gainers (believe it or not, as recent as a year and a half ago it was at least moderately impressive to gainer on this forum!!), and when corks were still hardcore, and backfulls were awesome, and ch. 720 kicks meant you were a good kicker. Pretty much if you can't do all of the above at this point you are completely worthless!! Its really frustrating haha, to be considered kickass at tricking you have to be throwing doubletwists and shit all over the place! Oh well, i can't wait till our abundance of dtwists rivals those ProX douches!:juji:

I disagree. There's still a fuckload of people who suck at tricking and there will always be. Some trickers nowadays seem to be more attracted towards big and difficult moves such as double cork, jacknife, double btwist, hyperswipe, sixtuple full, octuple flash and 2880 octuple, while neglecting the basics. There's no point at doing a jacknife if you can't even 540 properly, or doing a double full with bad form when you can't even roundoff properly and do a decent single full. I'd rather see a clean 540 (Ben Brown, people) and a clean 540 crescent (Juji, people) than a shitty jacknife and cheat 900.

I see many trickers all proud of their long trick list, but the problem is that their tricks look like prince Charles (http://trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9516). Trickers who have a wide variety of moves COMBINED WITH high quality are fucking rare, so in most cases you have to make a choice between quality and quantity. Choose both if you're a robot like Anis or Sess.

[ben brown]

aahhh!!! i have so many comments on this but i'll make it short.

i think it sucks that people think that they are no good because they cant double cork. who cares if you cant double cork or even corkscrew for that matter. i am sure there are techniques that you do well so keep training those and make them the best they can be.

the way i see it its like this.......

you have people who are good at kicks (valera, douglas, devera)

you have people who are good at twists (luu, anis, sheep)

you have people who are good at flips (lateef, atkins, sess)

everyone has their strengths and for the most part it shows in the kind of techniques that they do. i am in san jose a lot and i dont see devera doing twist carry through boxcutter and i dont see luu doing a lot of 540's and flash kicks. i must say though that i see a lot of "big name" people doing every trick in the book and in my opinion they are very mediocre....... they are good at this and that, but not really great at any of it.

i feel that it is way harder to impress people doing the "easier" techniques than the over the top "harder" techniques..... so thats reason enough for me to want to impress a person with a 540 over a double twist!!! if you can impress the hell out of somebody with your 540 its because you did it right..... with speed, power, and above all technique!!! meanwhile, somebody else can do a half assed double twist and stumble out of it and people will still oohh and aaahhh. thanks but no thanks, i would rather impress somebody because of how well I did the technique...... not because of the technique i did. people are impressed by a 540 because of how well it is done but people are impressed by a double twist purely because of its asthetic reasons..... if they were'nt they would be as impressed by a regular twist as they are a double twist. people have a kind of fire cracker mind frame regarding these things...... the bigger the bang, the louder the cheer.... even it the color of the firecracker is crap brown and puke green.

for me, doing a gainer full or a corkscrew is fun and all but i am not impressed with myself that i can do those techniques and honestly i am not impressed when i see them done, but thats just me. i get way more of a rush doing a fast, powerful, clean 540 than i do doing a gainer full any day of the week. one of my goals is to have some of the cleanest techniques. i want to have one of the cleanest 540's ever........ not be known as "just another guy who can gainer full."

be proud of what you can do!!!! and PLEASE dont fall into that silly mindframe trap of trying to one up everyone else by adding another stupid rotation to another technique!!! make the techniques you can do the best they can be...... be remembered as having the best damn 540 or butterfly twist or cheat 720 there ever was!!!!!!!!!!!!

its not how much you can do, but how well you do it!!!!

[jaron]

i want to learn a whole lot of impressive looking tricks even if they are sloppy looking and not really be great at anything nor have really good form. as long as i get it down and it looks rad thats all i need. quantity over quality is my motto
please dont take this serious

[glide]

aahhh!!! i have so many comments on this but i'll make it short.

i think it sucks that people think that they are no good because they cant double cork. who cares if you cant double cork or even corkscrew for that matter. i am sure there are techniques that you do well so keep training those and make them the best they can be.

the way i see it its like this.......

you have people who are good at kicks (valera, douglas, devera)

you have people who are good at twists (luu, anis, sheep)

you have people who are good at flips (lateef, atkins, sess)

everyone has their strengths and for the most part it shows in the kind of techniques that they do. i am in san jose a lot and i dont see devera doing twist carry through boxcutter and i dont see luu doing a lot of 540's and flash kicks. i must say though that i see a lot of "big name" people doing every trick in the book and in my opinion they are very mediocre....... they are good at this and that, but not really great at any of it.

i feel that it is way harder to impress people doing the "easier" techniques than the over the top "harder" techniques..... so thats reason enough for me to want to impress a person with a 540 over a double twist!!! if you can impress the hell out of somebody with your 540 its because you did it right..... with speed, power, and above all technique!!! meanwhile, somebody else can do a half assed double twist and stumble out of it and people will still oohh and aaahhh. thanks but no thanks, i would rather impress somebody because of how well I did the technique...... not because of the technique i did. people are impressed by a 540 because of how well it is done but people are impressed by a double twist purely because of its asthetic reasons..... if they were'nt they would be as impressed by a regular twist as they are a double twist. people have a kind of fire cracker mind frame regarding these things...... the bigger the bang, the louder the cheer.... even it the color of the firecracker is crap brown and puke green.

for me, doing a gainer full or a corkscrew is fun and all but i am not impressed with myself that i can do those techniques and honestly i am not impressed when i see them done, but thats just me. i get way more of a rush doing a fast, powerful, clean 540 than i do doing a gainer full any day of the week. one of my goals is to have some of the cleanest techniques. i want to have one of the cleanest 540's ever........ not be known as "just another guy who can gainer full."

be proud of what you can do!!!! and PLEASE dont fall into that silly mindframe trap of trying to one up everyone else by adding another stupid rotation to another technique!!! make the techniques you can do the best they can be...... be remembered as having the best damn 540 or butterfly twist or cheat 720 there ever was!!!!!!!!!!!!

its not how much you can do, but how well you do it!!!!

Dead right. You're the man Ben. I hope some people will change their mind and/or open their eyes after reading your post.

[anerky]

Dead right. You're the man Ben. I hope some people will change their mind and/or open their eyes after reading your post.
I agree too but once you have the basics perfect, then you move on to more advanced moves and so on while still drilling the basics to keep them sharp.

[Justin]

Hmmm so far to go... *sigh*

[Matt R]

you have people who are good at twists (luu, anis, sheep)



haha <3

[Munks]

haha, yeah i agree, every1 has their strengths that they are good at.
If every one all did the same thing, trying to get the best/hardest tricks out there without much technique, then we'd all end up looking the same.
Variation is good and keeps tricking interesting.:wink:

For example, I, myself are better at the flips and twists, e.g. can cork and Back double twist quite nicely.
And i trick with tim(User_name), whos more of a trick/kicker. He can do sweet 540's and now jacknifes.
Therefore when we tricktogether,(with the rest of out team) we are much more impressive Together.

Should think of all trickers collectively. If we all tricked together, would it be a show or mass variation, or just a game of horse that will never end?

[Spyder_V]

I suck...

[cepopeye]

haha sorry everyone, when i clicked post on this little temper tantrum i was like "oops, shit! too late. Maybe if i don't look at it it'll go away!" I can't believe how many posts this got since i last checked, including a big dissertation by Ben Brown himself, mannnnn... awesome! its cool to see everyones veiws on it and thinking back ben, and rizzice and waterboy all have it completely correcto

[Mitsurugi]

I believe that you should always strive to do a bigger better trick. As you learn these more advanced tricks the basics become easier (at least for me)

[GSimp]

Qaulity is better than quantity. When I train, I spend about 75% of my session practicing my 540 and crescents. Must..look..perfect! Or maybe that's because I like it when people think I have taken MA for years and I've been teaching myself for 4 weeks :)

It would be nice to be able to do every trick on that neokarate site index though...

[Tran]

I hate the feeling of "WOW I suck this bad" happens everytime I see a sampler

[Taimatsu]

aahhh!!! i have so many comments on this but i'll make it short.

i think it sucks that people think that they are no good because they cant double cork. who cares if you cant double cork or even corkscrew for that matter. i am sure there are techniques that you do well so keep training those and make them the best they can be.

the way i see it its like this.......

you have people who are good at kicks (valera, douglas, devera)

you have people who are good at twists (luu, anis, sheep)

you have people who are good at flips (lateef, atkins, sess)

everyone has their strengths and for the most part it shows in the kind of techniques that they do. i am in san jose a lot and i dont see devera doing twist carry through boxcutter and i dont see luu doing a lot of 540's and flash kicks. i must say though that i see a lot of "big name" people doing every trick in the book and in my opinion they are very mediocre....... they are good at this and that, but not really great at any of it.

i feel that it is way harder to impress people doing the "easier" techniques than the over the top "harder" techniques..... so thats reason enough for me to want to impress a person with a 540 over a double twist!!! if you can impress the hell out of somebody with your 540 its because you did it right..... with speed, power, and above all technique!!! meanwhile, somebody else can do a half assed double twist and stumble out of it and people will still oohh and aaahhh. thanks but no thanks, i would rather impress somebody because of how well I did the technique...... not because of the technique i did. people are impressed by a 540 because of how well it is done but people are impressed by a double twist purely because of its asthetic reasons..... if they were'nt they would be as impressed by a regular twist as they are a double twist. people have a kind of fire cracker mind frame regarding these things...... the bigger the bang, the louder the cheer.... even it the color of the firecracker is crap brown and puke green.

for me, doing a gainer full or a corkscrew is fun and all but i am not impressed with myself that i can do those techniques and honestly i am not impressed when i see them done, but thats just me. i get way more of a rush doing a fast, powerful, clean 540 than i do doing a gainer full any day of the week. one of my goals is to have some of the cleanest techniques. i want to have one of the cleanest 540's ever........ not be known as "just another guy who can gainer full."

be proud of what you can do!!!! and PLEASE dont fall into that silly mindframe trap of trying to one up everyone else by adding another stupid rotation to another technique!!! make the techniques you can do the best they can be...... be remembered as having the best damn 540 or butterfly twist or cheat 720 there ever was!!!!!!!!!!!!

its not how much you can do, but how well you do it!!!!

I will disagree with this, on one instance only....


Joe Eigo.

[cepopeye]

I AGREE WITH TAIMATSU!

[Jwizzman]

Should think of all trickers collectively. If we all tricked together, would it be a show or mass variation, or just a game of horse that will never end?
hehe, I'd probably be part of the vast minority doing sideflips :tongue:

[Yuen Rob]

hey fuck you man! i still suck and will remain that way.

i agree man, too many good ppl nowadays...

You suck? I SUCK!

[TartanPajamas]

Funny, Ben Brown has the single cleanest gainer fulltwist I've ever seen. He isn't "just another guys doing gainer fulls", he's the fucking king of gainer fulls!

This amuses me.

[Noobtricks]

I'mma NOOB.... :punched:

[kamikaze!]

For love of god Jaron, please change that avatar.
Its really disturbing :D

[.kiz]

cepopeye?
CEPOPEYE!
plus comme
cecockeye

[jiayo-chris]

i can cork and full and all the above listed but, im still shit. I mean its not just about how many tricks you can do, its about how clean they are.

[Caveman]

Yeh this thread is a year old haha, I'd imagine most the people saying they can't do certain things can actually do them now.

[broertjetim]

a cork whas hardcore? :p

[broertjetim]

I will disagree with this, on one instance only....


Joe Eigo.

I agree with Ben brown: i'm trying to get the best out of my tricks, 'ive been allready working a year on improving my btwist to make it hardcore, becauze a hardcore btwist is much more cooler then for exampler a hypertwist with no inversion and no kind of kick comming out...
if i may choose between this 2 moves: not horizontal hypertwist with no kick
or a nice horizontal BtwistRound with a huge kick
what would you choose??


Ben brown is one of the greatest Tricksters and one of my favorites!

think about this people!

[Marodi]

i can spin or kick for nuts, but i dont assume im crap. if u assume your crap you will stay crap. i just keep practising and practising, besides im only 16 and been tricking for like 4 months.

ps...100 POSTS! =D

[MasterSyrup]

haha I'm worthless lol

[Reza]

Ive read the posts in this thread, and would just like to add my 2cents.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned creativity yet, that is THE most important thing to me. technique is very important but without style its worthless.

[I apologize in advance if anyone takes the following paragraph the wrong way, my intention is just to get my point across and its not a cheap shot at the tricksters them selfs]
Team strickingZ. A group with incredible talent, and clean technique. There is one person in their team that stands out the most, Florian "Flow" Leoty. why? cause he has amazing creativity. I'm sure almost everyone that watched their samplers in the beginning when they were coming out thought they were all the same person because they tricked almost identically even though they were all very good. Flow stood out the most cause of the creative combos he was pulling, many of which I've never seen before or even thought of. Sesshoumaru is also another great example of creative combos.

to me, creativity adds style and personality to tricking. I find this way more important then being able to throw a triple*inserttrickname* [yah its great you've achieved that high level of skill but if you are lacking in the core values, its worthless.] the way i see it, even if you only know a simple trick, you can still make it look just as impressive as a huge one.

[TartanPajamas]

I agree with Ben brown: i'm trying to get the best out of my tricks, 'ive been allready working a year on improving my btwist to make it hardcore, becauze a hardcore btwist is much more cooler then for exampler a hypertwist with no inversion and no kind of kick comming out...
if i may choose between this 2 moves: not horizontal hypertwist with no kick
or a nice horizontal BtwistRound with a huge kick
what would you choose??


Ben brown is one of the greatest Tricksters and one of my favorites!

think about this people!

Hypertwist isn't an inverted skill.

[Scott]

Ive read the posts in this thread, and would just like to add my 2cents.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned creativity yet, that is THE most important thing to me. technique is very important but without style its worthless.

[I apologize in advance if anyone takes the following paragraph the wrong way, my intention is just to get my point across and its not a cheap shot at the tricksters them selfs]
Team strickingZ. A group with incredible talent, and clean technique. There is one person in their team that stands out the most, Florian "Flow" Leoty. why? cause he has amazing creativity. I'm sure almost everyone that watched their samplers in the beginning when they were coming out thought they were all the same person because they tricked almost identically even though they were all very good. Flow stood out the most cause of the creative combos he was pulling, many of which I've never seen before or even thought of. Sesshoumaru is also another great example of creative combos.

to me, creativity adds style and personality to tricking. I find this way more important then being able to throw a triple*inserttrickname* [yah its great you've achieved that high level of skill but if you are lacking in the core values, its worthless.] the way i see it, even if you only know a simple trick, you can still make it look just as impressive as a huge one.

There's more than two French tricksters? Anis and Logan? Ha, I did think all those Superfly and StrikingZ people were the same, and I still do. *clean doublecork out of everything*
And uhh...I've been tricking much longer than pretty much all of you, and plenty of people who have been tricking for MUCH less time than me are much much MUCH better than me. Hooray for apathy!

[broertjetim]

Ive read the posts in this thread, and would just like to add my 2cents.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned creativity yet, that is THE most important thing to me. technique is very important but without style its worthless.

[I apologize in advance if anyone takes the following paragraph the wrong way, my intention is just to get my point across and its not a cheap shot at the tricksters them selfs]
Team strickingZ. A group with incredible talent, and clean technique. There is one person in their team that stands out the most, Florian "Flow" Leoty. why? cause he has amazing creativity. I'm sure almost everyone that watched their samplers in the beginning when they were coming out thought they were all the same person because they tricked almost identically even though they were all very good. Flow stood out the most cause of the creative combos he was pulling, many of which I've never seen before or even thought of. Sesshoumaru is also another great example of creative combos.

to me, creativity adds style and personality to tricking. I find this way more important then being able to throw a triple*inserttrickname* [yah its great you've achieved that high level of skill but if you are lacking in the core values, its worthless.] the way i see it, even if you only know a simple trick, you can still make it look just as impressive as a huge one.


now that's what i mean :)

[kamikaze!]

haha I'm worthless lol
me 2 :eh:

[Spyder_V]

I suck comapred to everyone =(

[.kiz]

get shitter, make everyone happy

[jaron]

For love of god Jaron, please change that avatar.
Its really disturbing :D

leave me alone

[Swartz]

Well without reading every post in this thread I find I disagree. I don't think we're lacking in "n00bs" at all. This sport is growing so we have more beginners in this sport and ever, but not everyone sticks with it or has any emphasis on doing moves well or anything super advanced because they haven't been around long enough.

I don't know, I'd say we have just as many now as we did before, but even more. The ratio is more or less the same, but it's growing because the trickster population as a whole is growing.

[Birch]

this thread is poo
why are there so many arguments about trickers these days. arguing about what is crap isnt going to change anything. no one is going to say OMG im gay cos my legs are bent during some basic kick, therefore i eat shit as tricker. talk about better things like jarons avatar or people actually making samplers or better yet go out and FUCKING TRICK!!

[Martialartsguyfl]

Yeh this thread is a year old haha, I'd imagine most the people saying they can't do certain things can actually do them now.

good point, and jon just get better and stop bitching haha.

[Duke_Hoff]

This is a year old thread, what the fuck haha. Seeing Ben Browns old post did make me shmilee though.

[Rayzer]

this thread is poo
why are there so many arguments about trickers these days. arguing about what is crap isnt going to change anything. no one is going to say OMG im gay cos my legs are bent during some basic kick, therefore i eat shit as tricker. talk about better things like jarons avatar or people actually making samplers or better yet go out and FUCKING TRICK!!
Well it actually got me thinking and I think I'm going to work more on perfecting technique of tricks I can land already instead of trying new/harder moves all the time.

And yes: I also find Jarons avatar rather disturbing...

[JKT]

Need more boobs indeed

[Swartz]

This is a year old thread, what the fuck haha. Seeing Ben Browns old post did make me shmilee though.

Oh yeah I don't even know how I didn't notice that, I usually do. And Ben Brown's post was a treat since I don't remember actually reading that before. That's definetly the right mindset. At least the way I like to follow it.