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This one took a long time haha
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=check_download&ufid=B8CB3699497A1FAC&key=a21502cf532a53b4c0256a8b2f06ceabd3e13744
www.dogentricks.com
Hope this helps guys,
peace.
aznno1trika
Jun-30-06, 10:04 PM
wtf is this shit
ten minute tutorial on how tricking makes you better at tricking.
Dovicka
Jun-30-06, 10:10 PM
someone is clearly not smart enough to "think about it" ...... that was GOLD Dogen.
I have a not-so-extreme example. I worked out all summer, then did an average of 8 hours a week of cheerleading/tricking without the access to a sprung or pylo floor except I think 3 practices 5 months after the summer. I had done about 10 fulls to date, 3 on hard floor, then I joined another cheer team with a pylo floor and they asked me to full, then after the practice I felt comfortable with the full and went for a double, landed it first try. I todl my coaches and other teammates and about a dozen of them have been able to layout and full for YEARS and can't double. I was mentally and physically prepared and succeeded
Also I taught my brother a gainer in about 15 minutes.
karategirl11
Jun-30-06, 10:11 PM
always great tutorials from you, Dogen. :good:
well, this tutorial may doesn't help you directly but it's FUCKING motivating! thank you dogen!
aznno1trika
Jun-30-06, 10:25 PM
someone is clearly not smart enough to "think about it" ...... that was GOLD Dogen.
coming from someone who can't btwist, doesn't seem like conditioning helped you much at all. @ dogen too.
Squints
Jun-30-06, 10:29 PM
dogen, if i ever turn gay, it will be because of you.
540guy
Jun-30-06, 10:30 PM
sick i guess this could help some but not me...where did you get taht vid of anis ive been looking for it but couldent find it coudl you send it to me thanks
Dylon Dilanger
Jun-30-06, 10:31 PM
Your tutorials always inspire me to do more with my tricking, thanks man
Dovicka
Jun-30-06, 10:41 PM
haha, I tried a btwist today and stuck it first try. Its called conditioning. I went for a double, but bailed that require more technique. If you said 540, I could not argue, but I can btwist.
cepopeye
Jun-30-06, 11:00 PM
haha dovicka, go die or stop talking or something. You're just mad people CARE about Dogen's tutorials. Trivial and small, yet infinitely wise each one is. Speaking of which, he has two new ones i noticed if you check out the site:
www.dogentricks.com
haha yea I'm suprised no one said anything about the link at the end hahaha
Nick B
Jun-30-06, 11:07 PM
haha dovicka, go die or stop talking or something. You're just mad people CARE about Dogen's tutorials. Trivial and small, yet infinitely wise each one is. Speaking of which, he has two new ones i noticed if you check out the site:
www.dogentricks.com
what the hell are you talking about? dovicka was defending dogen's tutorials smartass.
infinitely wise? what about them exactly is wise? stalling your flips? having proper punching technique? being in good shape? yeah, they're good for beginners, but thats about as far as they go.
and tricking is much more about technique than it is forcing everything over. notice how both of the examples are of flip tricks?
the fact that dogens tutorials are only good for beginners should be evident when you look at the skill of the person making them.
and was there ANY teaching in this "tutorial" at all? all i got from it is "if you're in good shape, you'll trick better" which seems pretty much like common sense to me.
cepopeye
Jun-30-06, 11:10 PM
lol, i dunno... i don't ussually read anything dovicka posts lol. sorry then hahaha. But yea, i do agree with him afterall. Dogen is made of gold, and shines in the sun
aznno1trika
Jun-30-06, 11:15 PM
lol, i dunno... i don't ussually read anything dovicka posts lol. sorry then hahaha. But yea, i do agree with him afterall. Dogen is made of gold, and shines in the sun
fag.
Nick B
Jun-30-06, 11:17 PM
fag.
i like your trick list larry.
you and nathan coming down tomorrow?
Jwizzman
Jun-30-06, 11:26 PM
good stuff, thanks again Dogen
cepopeye
Jun-30-06, 11:29 PM
fag.
I'm confused... A) you're rizzice, right? and B) wasn't i supporting you? and C) haha yea i totally didn't read the thread before i posted, i just saw you badmouthing Dovicka and piped in support. whaattevvaa, i' clearly too tired/"fag" to post anymore in this thread tonight ahha
TartanPajamas
Jun-30-06, 11:40 PM
fag.
You are a fucking idiot.
jamesters
Jun-30-06, 11:42 PM
I loved this tutorial! I also gave your site a nice run through, I really like it and I'm going to add it to the Links section on my site right now!
I noticed a H2O tutorial which I don't think you posted on these forums or if you have then I never noticed, but it seems it came after this conditioning tutorial. Anyways that was also an excellent tutorial.
On one part in the H20 tutorial you talk about doing set until fatigue I.E. once your lactic acid takes over. You may know this already but it's actually ATP derived hydrogen ions that are responsible for acute muscle soreness. Increases in lactic acid are simply part of the production of metabolism during exercise but they are not the actual cause of the soreness. Maybe I'm just being picky though. Also, saying that lactic acid is taking over may actually be inferred that muscle fatigue is becoming too great since increases in lactic acid and increases in ATP derived hydrogen ions have a correlation with eachother. So it's probably not even a big deal but I figured I'd point it out anyways.
aznno1trika
Jun-30-06, 11:43 PM
i like your trick list larry.
you and nathan coming down tomorrow?
nathan is, I need to talk to him though, I'm not sure if I'll be going.
tricking was fun though we should do it again.
and no Cepopeye, I don't worship Dogen as a god.
TartanPajamas
Jun-30-06, 11:50 PM
Oh, yeah, nice tutorial by the way. I really should be conditioning more, I'll get on that.
BlaZz M.
Jul-01-06, 12:31 AM
edit: didnt see that there was H20 thread too.
SkyintheSea
Jul-01-06, 04:59 AM
I just love you boy.
Starfoot
Jul-01-06, 05:33 AM
Thanks alot for the tutorial, Dogen you are amazing!
This tut is, very usefull, indeed. It explains a lot of my problems, actually, and anyone saying this tutorial was shit is mentally retarded. BTW, nice site Dogen. Really nice designed and didn't know there was a tut for H2O.
Skylark
Jul-01-06, 06:10 AM
That was awesome, definately motivational and the H20 one was great as well - when I was messing around doing kicks and stuff in the pool I didn't think it was doing anything :bandit:
alpha7158
Jul-01-06, 06:18 AM
nice tutorial, though isnt it all abit obvious to need to be stated?
Yet another awesome tutorial, Dogen :)
Sure, some of it may "go without saying", but the way it is presented does make things clear. And those examples are just :shocked:
Well designed site too :good:
Also, Dogen, I'm curious; does your name have anything to do with the Dogan from Stephen King's Dark Tower?
alpha7158
Jul-01-06, 06:22 AM
on a side note since i have started stretching more frequently dynamic and static my tricks have improved.
orichiu
Jul-01-06, 07:47 AM
wtf is this shit
ten minute tutorial on how tricking makes you better at tricking.
annoying,,
Great tut dogen. <3 em all :cool:
White Nazgul
Jul-01-06, 07:52 AM
Great tuts dogen!!!
The anticipation proved itself right! ^__^
wakka2nice
Jul-01-06, 08:06 AM
wtf is this shit
ten minute tutorial on how tricking makes you better at tricking.
SHUT THE HELL UP!
that was the GREATEST tutorial EVER!!! SO MANY FREAKEN THINGS MAKE SENSE NOW!
Skylark
Jul-01-06, 09:12 AM
he didnt even say tricking made you better at tricking, he said other training makes you better at tricking :S
Crazy Max
Jul-01-06, 04:00 PM
His name is taken from Dogen Zengi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogen), as indictated by the avatar.
Skilzat85X
Jul-01-06, 07:20 PM
Heheh good thing I was somehow conditioned before I started tricking, dont ask me how.
Great information.
His name is taken from Dogen Zengi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogen), as indictated by the avatar.
Aha :good: a fitting title.
Neodine
Jul-02-06, 05:48 AM
again Dogen. very good and usefull tutorial :) thanks
Excellent tutorial, as always.
alpha7158
Jul-02-06, 11:31 AM
wrong.
say the to steve hawkin haha.
edit: needing to do conditioning and being naturally conditioned are different things. some people naturally have the strength, flexibility and coordination and can therefore pick up tricks a lot faster than the average joe.
The reason why ppl dont advance when they just trick isnt because it dosent improve your ability. Its because when ppl just trick then dont "overload" the muscels and psycological aspects of tricking. Where as when conditionaing, you are overloading to the maximum to make SURE you improve.
For example, when you do calf raises to improve your vert, you do it till they burn making them overload, making the body improve to cope with the physical performace.
However in tricking if you do a gainer, you arnt doing this, so therefore if you incourperated this "overload" into you tricks, it would be a for of conditionaing anyway.
For example, do 1 move repeateadly, puttin full effort into each aspect of the trick, (E.g. Gainer = take off (clalf/quads) Arms, Tuck, Kick)
My point is that JUST tricking can be just as good as conditioning....its just that you put more effort into conditioning than you would when your tricking.
Why not combine the 2 and PUT effort in your tricking.
Example : When you really want that new move you just aint quite got....YOU PUSH YOURSELF, and this causes an increase in effort leading to an increase in the overload, increasing the progression of your tricks
I hope you get what i said:tongue:
:good:
someone is clearly not smart enough to "think about it" ...... that was GOLD Dogen.
I have a not-so-extreme example. I worked out all summer, then did an average of 8 hours a week of cheerleading/tricking without the access to a sprung or pylo floor except I think 3 practices 5 months after the summer. I had done about 10 fulls to date, 3 on hard floor, then I joined another cheer team with a pylo floor and they asked me to full, then after the practice I felt comfortable with the full and went for a double, landed it first try. I todl my coaches and other teammates and about a dozen of them have been able to layout and full for YEARS and can't double. I was mentally and physically prepared and succeeded
Also I taught my brother a gainer in about 15 minutes.
Can you do anything other then a backflip?
Well put :good:
Now i think the fact that this has even caused the slightest conflict proves that its a video full of shit, although the clip of the gecko/spiderman wall full was awesome :good:
haha yea it was crazy when he did that, I was completely shocked!
If i cant land a double btwist first try after training in water im going to kill you dogen!!!!
The reason why ppl dont advance when they just trick isnt because it dosent improve your ability. Its because when ppl just trick then dont "overload" the muscels and psycological aspects of tricking. Where as when conditionaing, you are overloading to the maximum to make SURE you improve.
For example, when you do calf raises to improve your vert, you do it till they burn making them overload, making the body improve to cope with the physical performace.
However in tricking if you do a gainer, you arnt doing this, so therefore if you incourperated this "overload" into you tricks, it would be a for of conditionaing anyway.
For example, do 1 move repeateadly, puttin full effort into each aspect of the trick, (E.g. Gainer = take off (clalf/quads) Arms, Tuck, Kick)
My point is that JUST tricking can be just as good as conditioning....its just that you put more effort into conditioning than you would when your tricking.
Why not combine the 2 and PUT effort in your tricking.
Example : When you really want that new move you just aint quite got....YOU PUSH YOURSELF, and this causes an increase in effort leading to an increase in the overload, increasing the progression of your tricks
I hope you get what i said:tongue:
:good:
I competely understand what you said. However, though tricking can be an effective form of conditioning, it is not a smart way to BECOME conditioned, because it is much more dangerous than most forms of resistance training.
So, while you might get strong quads from gainers, you will get much stronger quads from squats, without having to deal with the possibility of crashing.
Furthermore, if you are doing gainers until failure, as a form of conditioning, you're also going to drill the poor technique into your muscle memory. For this reason I think it's best to only stick to a relatively low number of each tricks per session; memorize the good ones!
But yea, I completely agree man, tricking is a form of conditioning!
anerky
Jul-02-06, 06:01 PM
Can you do anything other then a backflip?
he is the god of backflips and all the advancements of the move
you're also going to drill the poor technique into your muscle memory. For this reason I think it's best to only stick to a relatively low number of each tricks per session; memorize the good ones!
But yea, I completely agree man, tricking is a form of conditioning!
Yeah i agree to that too :smile: :good:
Sivlon
Jul-03-06, 10:44 AM
didn't like this tutorial, some people are born trickers with natural bodily awareness and strength and others are clumsy and weak, yet when we trick we get better at our co-ordination and strength, yes conditioning would help, but its not essential, also some people will never be good however much they try
I don't think thats true.
There are no people that can't be injured and born with natural bodily awerness and strenght.
You have to build it up in your life.
If Anis had never done any sport, martial art or tricking what so ever and had only watched TV, played video games and eat burrito's he would have become injured if he'd start tricking without first conditioning. You have to realise I'm talking about the same Anis the same human and body (only in a different condition because he wouldn't have been fit) as the trickster Anis we know today only his Past would be different, instead of training since youth he would have not been active and only started tricking at like 20.
He would have gotten an injury as fast as any other person that didn't condition. And he doesn't have some magical talent that makes him have more strength then other people. He had to work for it by training for years. If he hadn't done this he would have gotten injured just like anybody that has never been active and starts training tricking hardcore immediatly.
*Only reason why I took Anis as an example is because he's a well known trickster.
Anyway this is a very important and great tutorial I think everybody who is pretty new (or not) to tricking should check this out and take it sirious before they get a bad long lasting injury. Because this applies to everybody.
SIRjoe
Jul-03-06, 11:21 AM
ok good job man, nice work
and
ANIS CAN TRIPLE ON GRASSS!!!!!
yer good job with the tut (again)
And he doesn't have some magical talent that makes him have more strength then other people.
Wrong,
I agree that yeah conditioning works to improve but not everyone MUST condition to become a good tricker.
People are born with different percentages of muscle fibres (Slow or fast twitch)... for example a weight lifter will probably have more slow twitch as they are stronger but slower. Where as someone like anis will have a very percific percentage of each which allows him to get the right speed and stregth for the spectacular moves he does. He was one of the lucky ones where his muscel fibres are almost perfect for his sport. (This is where things like evolution would come in...but ill leave it out)
This is genetic, so yea...you can say that people are born with more physical awearness than others.
Wrong,
I agree that yeah conditioning works to improve but not everyone MUST condition to become a good tricker.
People are born with different percentages of muscle fibres (Slow or fast twitch)... for example a weight lifter will probably have more slow twitch as they are stronger but slower. Where as someone like anis will have a very percific percentage of each which allows him to get the right speed and stregth for the spectacular moves he does. He was one of the lucky ones where his muscel fibres are almost perfect for his sport. (This is where things like evolution would come in...but ill leave it out)
This is genetic, so yea...you can say that people are born with more physical awearness than others.
True!
Actually though, weightlifting uses fast twitch and is thus the reasons many lifters use creatine. Let's remember however, that if you are genetically gifted, you can still make massive improvements through training. This is why people like anis and sesshomaru are on a completely different level, they were genetically gifted, and they trained on top of that, taking advantage of what they had.
True!
Actually though, weightlifting uses fast twitch and is thus the reasons many lifters use creatine. Let's remember however, that if you are genetically gifted, you can still make massive improvements through training. This is why people like anis and sesshomaru are on a completely different level, they were genetically gifted, and they trained on top of that, taking advantage of what they had.
haha yeah very true :good:.....
Nathan.P.
Jul-03-06, 09:35 PM
he is the god of backflips and all the advancements of the move
WOW!
daviddalo
Jul-04-06, 05:24 AM
dogen, from which video is that anis 3full?? havent seen it before, post it please
verymetaldan
Jul-04-06, 08:41 AM
Whilst I agree with Dogen in that conditioning is often over looked by many tricksters and can seriously improve your tricks, there were some factual errors in that vid that Tim has pointed out.
Some people seem like 'naturals' because they are of the learner type of 'feeler'. Feelers learn new sports and skills much quicker than the other learner types- thinkers and visualisers. Since strength is a skill, this also allows feels to become stronger quicker.
But having said all that, anyone can progress at tricking as long as you train hard enough and smart enough, but dont kid your self that anyone can be the best.
"Lee, you can never exceed Neiji, he is a genius." - Tenten
"Lee, it's true that you are different than Neiji. You cannot use ninja or illusionary techniques, nor are you a genius in hand to hand combat. But Lee, you are a genius that has the power and potential to exceed Neiji. Because you are...a genius of hard work." - Gai
Not everyone can become THE best, but I thoroughly believe that anyone can become incredible with proper training and dedication. Case in point: Ryan Sas, Sheep
-Naruto, episdoe 49
daviddalo
Jul-04-06, 03:30 PM
dogen, from which video is that anis 3full?? havent seen it before, post it please
cough cough, i second that
verymetaldan
Jul-04-06, 03:47 PM
Case in point: Ryan Sas, Sheep
Ryan Sas is a good example yes, but sheep demonstrates the exact opposite of what you are trying to prove, in that he barely trains at all and yet picks things up very fast due to being a 'feeler' learner type.
But whatever, all of this is a moot point. Your video encourages people to condition more, which can only be a good thing.
Citizen
Jul-04-06, 04:31 PM
Love the site Dogen. Awesome!
Tsumaru
Jul-04-06, 11:32 PM
Mm, I think I can see why some people were upset with the video. You put so much forth for conditioning; but didn't tell us how to condition. Asking people to sit down for nearly 9 minutes and suffer implications of being lazy and not going to progress and then not really give them the solution is asking a bit too much. The theory was good; the lack of practical information was disappointing. A bit of a letdown from all your other excellent quality tutorial-vids Dogen.
Ah...my mistake. I had also downloaded the H20 one, but hadn't watched it until after writing the above. So I suppose that does take care of the practice one. It certainly is an interesting idea, but there is still a problem for a number of people - access to a pool is certainly limited. I, for one, have to take public transport for about 15 minutes to the closest pool (which costs money). And you have to pay to go in (which also costs money). I really don't feel like draining up so much time and money every time for some conditioning. I know you have to make sacrifices, but there are still certainly alternatives to water training, as effective as it may be. *shrugs*
Mm, I think I can see why some people were upset with the video. You put so much forth for conditioning; but didn't tell us how to condition. Asking people to sit down for nearly 9 minutes and suffer implications of being lazy and not going to progress and then not really give them the solution is asking a bit too much. The theory was good; the lack of practical information was disappointing. A bit of a letdown from all your other excellent quality tutorial-vids Dogen.
lol at the end of the video, it says, www.dogentricks.com
at that website, there are more than 30 pages of conditioning information.
Tsumaru
Jul-07-06, 03:27 AM
But people are idiots Dogen. This forum as a whole proves it.
Citizen
Jul-07-06, 03:36 AM
Dogen, which hosting provider are you with?
stony_wayz
Jul-14-06, 11:53 AM
hey dogens just trying to help out the newbs with his tutorials.
it seems that way to many people are getting angry over stupid stuff in these forums. sounds like lack of ganja to me or something on that line.
someone upload it again please...!
EDIT: oh shit, just went to his site..i got it now, nvm
dammit dogen..!
u are the best
u always pick the exact right combination of words, music, videos...EVERYTHING
and i love the style of ur tutorials..
love u man..!
Jepzonn2
Aug-01-06, 06:23 AM
Watched it, and I though it was freakin' nice. :smile: Thanks alot Dogen. :juji:
haha I have enough bandwidth to last a lifetime HO HO HO!
Citizen
Aug-01-06, 07:59 PM
haha I have enough bandwidth to last a lifetime HO HO HO!Nice. How much monthly bandwidth u get with ur hosting package?
like 100 gigs or something I dunno my friend does most of the coding, I design it and just tell him what to do haha
Citizen
Aug-01-06, 08:01 PM
lol. Sweet. He's a good coder! I wanna learn PHP too soon :P
what a waste. i could've read all that in 30 sec if u had just typed it on a notepad or something.
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