help me to achieve

[liloko]

hi im new in this forum but well im very pleased to be here
i would liketo know what training i should do to have a body like antoine for example eheheh
what exercices i can do in my house and in my gym (i started four months ago and i have great genes and strenght besides i do a lotof exercices and martial arts)
any help in bodybuilding would be great
thanks a lot

liloko, the absolute
ahuahuahuahuahahua

[MJLover]

Bodybuilding? Wait a second, are you gonna use this for tricking? Then cut that bodybuilding bullcrap, drop down and give me thrity! No, fifty!

The old methods of arm muscles and abdominal muscles and leg muscles for a trickster, is best by doing it the regular <name> ups scheme :)

Answer me this, how many pushups can you do. And answer honest, because a lie will maybe just end up me giving you a too hard of a rutine...

[liloko]

lwell i actually would like besides do tricks have a body like antoine for exmaple. pushups i can do as many as i want. In fact i do hapkido and my train is very hard like 1000 situps one hour running and pushups i do many sequencies of 100

so i want train to do tricks and to have a body like a bodybuilder (ok not so big)

[MJLover]

Then why are you asking us for help? If you do 1000 situps, 100 pushups in manu sequences etc.. you're well fit and don't need my advices if you already have a training schedual.

But you know what I think. I think you're not telling the truth, and merely saying you do 100 pushups in many sequences etc.. Sorry, but I find that hard to believe because most Martial Artist don't exceed the 100 limit, and there is one reason: Little muscles, much strength.

[liloko]

i can promise that i can do more than 100 pushups. and you are right its like you said little muscle more strenght, thats my question i want more size in muscles see

thanks ^^

[MJLover]

But then you won't be doing too much tricking. Little, strong muscles, like Bruce Lee had, the best way. Sorry.

However, want those big bulky muscles? Go to a gym, eat powerbars, eggs, etc etc.. and burn burn burn.

[dystheria]

think this guy wants advice in bulk training....

So MJLover is giving you some good advice... Go to a gym, pile on the pounds, and burn it into muscle... force yourself to lift heavy weights until you can't do another repeat... and then just drop a weight grade and continue pushing yourself...

it hurts btw.... REALLY hurts.... and building bulk will probably result in a huge lack of flexibility.... Big difference between bulk and a tone...
Bruce Lee = Toned for performance
Arnold Schwarzenegger = Bulked for display

[liloko]

thanks
and in a gym what execices i can do to improve my hability to do tricks?

[MJLover]

You can't be bulky and do tricks. Tricking requires you to have small muscles, but strong and good flexibility.

[JCslug]

what about antoine?

[dystheria]

You can't be bulky and do tricks. Tricking requires you to have small muscles, but strong and good flexibility.

Hmmm, can't fully agree with that.... See Team Ryouko... Rosenberg is pretty huge... and he's nimble as hell... but he isn't nearly as fast or co-ordinated as any of the other members... so your statement still stands to a very large degree...

big muscles will get in the way.

[MJLover]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d3/Dsc0047.JPG/200px-Dsc0047.JPG

This... is a body builder!

http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/image.php?u=1&dateline=1151295471

This... is Antoine :smile:

Antoine is hardly bulky, or body built. His bone structure allows his natural gained muscles to get that big I believe. Of course, Antoine is also flexible and explosive. He is agile of course.

But to gain muscles like that? I guess the usual: Eat well, stretch well and work out regularly.

But I'm off to bed, I'll see where this thread has gone tomorrow.

[Lobo]

"dystheria and MJLover don't seem to know shit. Ignore any advice dispensed by them." - The Narrator

[Dedraic]

You can't be bulky and do tricks. Tricking requires you to have small muscles, but strong and good flexibility.

Fuck yeah, you have to be tiny like a motherfucker. Like Bruce Lee or something. Because everyone knows that big muscles never produce any real results, because, you know, Olympic Weightlifters aren't regularly known to have verticals over 38".

And besides, if you get big, you're going to get inflexible. I mean look at this fucking ape, bet that motherfucker can't even touch his toes:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2002/soscomp70.jpg

I mean, all those gymnasts have tiny bodies, and what they do is vaguely like what we do, shouldn't we follow example?

http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/04-080-feature/image021.jpg

I mean, fuck, when was the last time you saw someone Antoine's size do a 540 or gainer, maybe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaHRzJjKbyA&search=juji%20scorch

Learn what you're talking about first. Being the size of Ronnie Coleman, or even "just" as big as Antoine will probably have a detrimental effect on your tricks, but so will being so tiny you can't get any power at all out of your limbs. You're probably best off being average or just above average size for tricking, and it's highly unlikely most people will naturally be able to get big enough to not be able to trick.

Edit: Fuck, looks like you guys got him first.

[dystheria]

....

Edit: Fuck, looks like you guys got him first.

I ain't been here long... but damn... best post evar.

[old_maverick]

oy...

[Rianu]

Wow lol... there wasn't any good, knowledgeable information given on this thread except some of Dedraic's post. Guys, read the FAQ forum and do a search before posting such a generic question. There's a lot more to bodybuilding then eating and lifting randomly. RESEARCH gentlemen! Also, notice i'm not giving any advice on bodybuilding--learn not to make posts about things that you don't know enough about to be useful.

So do your research. you obviously can't be a big bodybuilder and trick effectively. Pick one or the other. And obviously, as a gymnast gets bigger he begins to lose mobility as well. Believe it or not, gymnasts get pretty huge. Do more research, and if you have more specific questions that haven't been answered 1000 times then ask them. but there's 99% chance that what you are asking has already been answered before, if not many times.

Also, a good way to make an impression on this crazy forum is to do research and ask a good question. generic questions like these with bad answers will just get you flamed. Good luck :)

[MJLover]

Fuck yeah, you have to be tiny like a motherfucker. Like Bruce Lee or something. Because everyone knows that big muscles never produce any real results, because, you know, Olympic Weightlifters aren't regularly known to have verticals over 38".

And besides, if you get big, you're going to get inflexible. I mean look at this fucking ape, bet that motherfucker can't even touch his toes:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2002/soscomp70.jpg

I mean, all those gymnasts have tiny bodies, and what they do is vaguely like what we do, shouldn't we follow example?

http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/04-080-feature/image021.jpg

I mean, fuck, when was the last time you saw someone Antoine's size do a 540 or gainer, maybe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaHRzJjKbyA&search=juji%20scorch

Learn what you're talking about first. Being the size of Ronnie Coleman, or even "just" as big as Antoine will probably have a detrimental effect on your tricks, but so will being so tiny you can't get any power at all out of your limbs. You're probably best off being average or just above average size for tricking, and it's highly unlikely most people will naturally be able to get big enough to not be able to trick.

Edit: Fuck, looks like you guys got him first.

Damn. Talk about flammage! If I said something wrong, correct it, don't go all "we hate you, be burnt" on me.

But anyways. As far as I can see, that bodybuilder is bending his knee in his split. Also, I may have said too much about small. You must think I'm talking about those dots for muscles and straight lines for arms.
http://www.criticalbench.com/images/gaining-muscle-mass.jpg
Example of big muscles.. wait.. lemme try again!
http://www.treningsforum.no/article/intervju/royholte/7.jpg
That picture is of Jón Páll by the way, said to have been the strongest man ever alive in our time (dunno how many years, but more than 100).

Now.. To prove my real point. Do you maybe think Bruce Lee had big muscles? Are you really implying that his small muscles had no power at all. Mind you Bruce Lee could punch very, very hard off of the ground and with his arms. He could do a kick so fast, you need a high speed camera to catch it. Chuck "Roundhouse kick" Norris barely moved his 150 kilo punching bag with a side kick. Bruce Lee not only moved it, the punching bag gave up, the chains broke and the punching bag ripped.
http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2005/10/15/bruce-lee.jpg

That's the kind of muscles I was talking about. As far as I see, Antoine really doesn't look much like a body builder while he's tricking. Sure, you see his muscles, but he hardly looks like a big, bulky bodybuilder when doing his tricks.

And just to be on the safe side, if you found any part of this post to be offensive, then check this out; :smile:

PS: Lee isn't flexing in that picture either, or at least not much.

[Dedraic]

Heh, I'm sorry, it's just one of those things that gets to me once in awhile.

Bruce Lee's build was good for what he did, which was fight other small guys and act in movies. I'm not saying he wasn't incredibly strong, but it goes to reason he could have been much stronger if he was a bit bigger. He was a great martial artist, and he had some interesting points in his philosophy, but I think he's been overblown a bit as time has worn on.

That said, if I was to fight more than I do I'd be much more worried about maintaining enough mass to be able to take a hit and ground fight without being crushed than with speed and power at this point. My experience has taught me well enough that even a weak hit can end a fight against an untrained person, as long as it's placed properly.

As for the bag. It wasn't 150kg, it was 150lbs, which translates to about 70kg. Which is still impressive as all hell, I doubt I could move a 150 lb bag.

As I said before though, for tricking I still maintain the belief that being of average or slightly above average size is the way to go. Take a look at Sesshoumaru or Juji. But really, you can trick with pretty much any build as long as you have low enough body fat.

[Steve]

It's been several weeks since I've been so infuriated by someone's posts that I've felt the need to immediately ban them forever, and I'm just barely keeping it under control here.

[MJLover]

Sorry. I won't ever attend to a conversation again then.

If I'm saying something so wrong then please, by all means tell me so. Who knows, I've maybe read something on a site that looked plausible that I believe it. Is it really too hard to say

"MJLover, you are wrong. It's actually like this: <Something is said>"?

Somehow I'm getting the feeling that it's an instant "hate the new guy" around here..

[Steve]

Thank you.

[chicanerous]

Bruce Lee is an emaciated bitch. This thread is horrible.

what exercices i can do in my house and in my gym (i started four months ago and i have great genes and strenght besides i do a lotof exercices and martial arts)
any help in bodybuilding would be great
thanks a lot
Eat until your bodyweight consistently increases by 1-2 lbs per week while participating in an intense progressive resistance training program centered around the largest compound exercises -- squats, deadlifts, presses, and rows. Emphasize your posterior chain, overhead pressing, and core strength to strengthen the muscles most applicable to tricking and martial arts. Continue to stretch and trick. Do this for six months without lapse and then come back to us. You will be larger, faster, stronger, and more flexible.

[compleks]

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2005/10/15/bruce-lee.jpg
PS: Lee isn't flexing in that picture either, or at least not much.

haha, either is this guy!

http://www.hr95.org/pix/cox.skinny.JPG



It's been several weeks since I've been so infuriated by someone's posts that I've felt the need to immediately ban them forever, and I'm just barely keeping it under control here.

You are indeed a master of self control.

[Pobeli]

Somehow I'm getting the feeling that it's an instant "hate the new guy" around here..

Nope, it's just you.

[Dedraic]

Nope, it's just you.

I'd say so. I've asked some pretty fucking stupid questions on here and I haven't even hit one hundred posts yet.

[dystheria]

I'd say so. I've asked some pretty fucking stupid questions on here and I haven't even hit one hundred posts yet.

Nah, can't agree with that... as with every forum on the internet there's lots of flaming on here... hell, I've only posted a few times and even I can see that.

Internet fights = hardcore elite.
You know it's true.

[Dedraic]

Nah, can't agree with that... as with every forum on the internet there's lots of flaming on here... hell, I've only posted a few times and even I can see that.

Internet fights = hardcore elite.
You know it's true.

The flaming tends to go on when someone says/does something stupid or against knowledge which is considered common on the board. I lurked for a long time, and tended to be rather specific with my questions and I usually got answers.

[Crazy Max]

MJLover and dystheria probably get their fitness advice from Parkour.net, home of the most ludicrous fitness advice imaginable.

I don't see why if you are in your full health you would do weight training when there are so many things to do inside and outside with just bodywheigt that create exactlly the kind and proportions of muscles you need

Jumping off of objects will apparently give you the same leg strength as heavy squats

you jump off something (small, less than 1 metre or so and increse in time), your weight increses and you do the same exercise as you would with weight - just that you don't waist time and money with equipment AND train something that with adding muscle also helps in adding experience.


How strong is it possible to become with bodyweight exercises? Amazingly strong. In fact I would go so far as to say, done correctly, far stronger than someone who had trained for the same amount of time with free weights.

I think I'm the only vegetarian on .NET. But I'm still not a complete vegetarian as I eat fish and marine creatures (except mammals like dolphins, etc.). This I think makes it easyer for me to fast and I've fasted when I was injured with some great results at some time and some good results at other times. One time I hit a tendon on a sharp corner so hard I'm fortunate I didn't brake it and I developed from that a form of tendonitis that I worsen though training. I fasted for a day with just water and it didn't hurt at all the next day, a thing that didn't happen since I got injured. So that day I went training and forced it so the pain came back. I fasted again for a day but I could still feel tension that I still feel to this moment (not that much though) and light training for feet like bare foot running or small precision jumps seem to make it better.
When I fast I just feel hungry until lunch or so and than if I start a small warm up inside I get a burst of energy and need to get outside or something inside will get broken (like chairs, sofa, table, cupboard, etc. lol). I only feel hungry in the evening a bit but I drink some more water and go to sleep. The next day I eat some fruit for breakfast (I eat only fruit for my first breakfast every day) and than after an hour or one and a half I have a bowl of whole grain cereals with some chicory or mint (ifusions in general) as my second breakfast.
I'd be lucky to put on some (bigger) fat layer as you say Chinchilla because I'd like to train some endurance, a place I'm not that good in. If you have fat (that you got from good food) you're lucky because it's like a weighted vest and you develop muscles under it easy (just eat some nuts, eggs, fish, etc. and train hard). So it's like a balance for me if things are like you say: I put on fat during fast and use that fat to build up muscles in training. A good deal I'd say.
As for resting during the fast do how you feel. You feel you have alot of energy use it. If not do some stretching or don't do anything at all. I know a very close friend who fasted for 3 days and in that time was active (not training but usual chores) but I feel that if you fast for 3 days you should practice some visualisation of training, focusing, breathing exercices, read a book or doing something intelectual.
Also set a goal (not to eat for two days) but don't go over your body to reach that - maybe you are not ready. There will be a sensation of hunger and if you feel it's to much you can brake the fast and eat or drink some lemon juice or whatever (light food). It's important how YOU feel.

p.s. funny thing my friend who kept the 3 days fast told me: after his fast, lemons felt sweet not sour to him.

hypocaloric diet is the only sciencifically proven way of prelonging life (tested on mice). OBVIOUSLLY I'm not fasting so I can dance on your tombs but because this fact makes you wonder: why? why does it prelong life? Maybe you get some secondary effects like a cleaner digestive system wich in term makes for a better quality of all the other procesess in your life. If you don't add food in your guts for lets say 24 hours you still remain with leftovers in your intestine that can get flushed and so you can assimilate nutrients from your food more effienttly - less food but better assimilation. I don't know - for me it's logical that you become a stronger person because you have to controll your mind and body and not become thier slave. Anyway, I've read alot of stuff on fasting that gives me the confidence to keep a fast whenever I feel like it but I can't really put that confidence on a forum. Maybe if you haven't read books on nutrition to this point it's a good ideea to start.

[Konnar]

Also, Jelqing your legs yields good vertical results.

[MJLover]

Nah, can't agree with that... as with every forum on the internet there's lots of flaming on here... hell, I've only posted a few times and even I can see that.

Aye, I come from one of the nicest boards on the internet; LH boards where the oldbies and mods (who mostly also are oldbies) are guardians of the boards. And of course, they got a luring system too, Karma. Be bad, get low, be good, get medium, and be perfect, get High Karma.

Blegh, since there's nothing like that here I understand. And yes, I have gotten some info from Parkur.com.

..SO! Don't listen to me, I'm just a foo dat should be pitied!

[dystheria]

MJLover and dystheria probably get their fitness advice from Parkour.net, home of the most ludicrous fitness advice imaginable.

Jumping off of objects will apparently give you the same leg strength as heavy squats

Actually, I get zero fitness advice from parkour.net or any other websites.
I normally ask my Gym instructor if I have specific needs, other than that I normally just repeat what other random people have said to me if it isn't actually of interest to me. (sure, not the smartest thing in the world, it's behaviour like this that leads to people thinking craneflies have the worlds most potent venom)

So perhaps it should be known that I'm not a body builder... just a bit of a general crowd sheep... and I'm not much of a fitness fanatic either...

I eat healthy, and I try to make life fun by trying out lots of random things.

edit ::
Just realised this
you jump off something (small, less than 1 metre or so and increse in time), your weight increses and you do the same exercise as you would with weight - just that you don't waist time and money with equipment AND train something that with adding muscle also helps in adding experience.

That's completely against the laws of physics..... ergo not only is that information ludicrous as you state... it's totally impossible ;o