variations on corkscrew?

[born2rocknblaze]

i've been tricking for a while but have stayed away from torso torquing type moves, for the most part. so i wanted to make the corkscrew my first learnt (spelling?) trick of this type. i then proceeded to downloaded two different clips of corkscrews being displayed;

one from flipcast

http://www.flip-cast.com/index.php?act=moves&mid=37

and one from kyukodo

well, since kyukodo updated their site since i downloaded it there, they seem to have gotten rid of it. i checked every single section there. can't find it. oh well.

if you don't feel like downloading it or suffer from dial-up as i do, i'll semi-explain them. the one from flipcast is like a sloppy barani, sort of. and the one from kyukodo has the guy throwing his leg out first then twisting around it, and almost appears to be a butterfly twist, sort of. so if someone has seen kyukodo's short corkscrew clip (it is only 11 seconds long) maybe they'll know what i am talking about. but i'll try to go host it somewhere soon if i can. so all together, i need help on knowing which of the two is correct? both? are they just variations? dif. techniques? whatever? help is really really appreciated, thanks.

-edited for rushed spelling, and soon to be links-

[007lemur]

i dont see how you think its like a sloppy barani. the two are completly different moves in every way. actually none of that post made sense. try again. put sentences together in a logical coherant order.

nice cork though skilzat

[born2rocknblaze]

yeah i know it wasn't all put together. honestly i did it in about 2 minutes. though you did see the flipcast person do his corkscrew right? i am not saying that it is just a sloppy barani i meant that it was the corkscrew i first knew of. and that's just sort of how i perceive corkscrews. and i am sorry i couldn't find kyukodo's i'll host it somewhere soon. but it's 1:30 am right now. so expect to see my above post edited soon.

[GSimp]

barani is just a no handed roundoff correct? the the movement of a barani and a cork are like the opposite. If you want to learn how to cork you need to forget the notion that they are alike in any way.

[Aariebolzor]

u can't compare the brandy to youre cork and i'f u drill them alot you will do cork eazy and clean so just drill xD :p

[biyak]

no barani is like a wierd round off without hands that if from two lagged takeoff

[sesshoumaru]

no barani is like a wierd round off without hands that if from two lagged takeoff

The take-off is actually from one-leg like an Aerial, alot of people do punch Front-halves which can be confused as a Barani, but shouldn't be...



In relation to the thread, there are about 3 different ways of corking. They are more-so methods; than variations (cause those can be limitless). Anyway, the three are Corkscrew, Straight Cork, and Fall-back Cork...

Corkscrew, is your standard cork: 180-degree flatspin, 540-degree twist, basically a Btwist from a Moon Kick set up...

users: Anis, Gary Ip, Matt (Sheep), Crazy Asian, Chris Balualua, Steve Terada, Mogwai, Fosse, Chris (StriKingZ)...


Straight Cork, is a stiffer cork: barely any flatspin (0-degrees), 540-degree twist, more of a Btwist from a stretch kick (stiff round)...

users: Kim Do, Anthony Atkins, Joe Gacayan, Dean Alexandrou, Chris Devera, Daniel Sterling...


Fall-back Cork, is similar to the standard cork, but the user leans way back as the initial kick is thrown...kinda acts as a counter balance, which results in a lower but faster spin...

users: KJER, Sesshoumaru (me), Ryan Rempfer, Jim Ng | Jester, Jason Hutchins...

[Skilzat85X]

one from flipcast

http://www.flip-cast.com/index.php?act=moves&mid=37

Ha that's like one of the ugliest corkscrews ever in there. (it's mine, just so everybody knows I'm alowd [holy crap i forgot how to spell alowd] to make fun of it)

I think I might change the images there to the one in my avatar.
u can't compare the brandy to youre cork and i'f u drill them alot you will do cork eazy and clean so just drill xD :p
Sick and clean as heck avatar! Excellent! :good:

[White Nazgul]

The take-off is actually from one-leg like an Aerial, alot of people do punch Front-halves which can be confused as a Barani, but shouldn't be...


Sessh, I there is a barani and a brandy, right?
They are two different tricks, no?

SO I think he meant one of them (like if brandy is a no handed r/o, then a barani is a front half when the spin is done all the way through the flip).

[sesshoumaru]

I think Barani and Brandy is the same thing...I just think people mispronounce it as Brandy.

[Source]

I don't think so... my coach is an elite gymnast and he calls front half with the twist happening throughout the flip a barani.

[SickPanda]

I don't think so... my coach is an elite gymnast and he calls front half with the twist happening throughout the flip a barani.

I think that's pretty much right. A brandy is an aerial where both legs come together -- we can all agree on that. However, I'd say a barani and a front half are a bit different--a front half seems to me to be half of a front full (with a "twist"), a barani seems to be more like a brandy from a two-legged takeoff (with a "turn"--but not just a two-legged brandy because you still flip over front ways--if that makes sense).

Maybe I'm just trippin? But a barani and a brandy are mos def different techniques from what I know, barani being derived from a front layout and brandy being derived from an aerial.

[White Nazgul]

yep.
that's exactly what I\ve been saying! ^__^

[snugglefunked]

yup you got it right... brandy is aerial takeoff, barani is punch takeoff... however, i don't think it's always been like that. I think tricksters were the ones who separated the two... I do believe they used to be called the same thing.

[Source]

Never heard a brandy called a barani in gymnastics before. Only really heard it referred to as an aerial roundoff or a free roundoff.

[totte]

Sess, i think corkscrews that are more like gainerfulls (not really but allmost) is called tabletop-corkscrews, mogwai told me that, and he also told me, that it was the most powerfull if you wanted to do many in rows, and now i can swingthru 3 times :P

[White Nazgul]

Cool...
Hey I have a question about corks.
I started trying them now... and I just can't get how do you make your body go the horizontal 180?
Is in the kick? Is it in where you look mid-twist?
I dunno...

[totte]

its the step-of, and the take of from 1 foot, you gotta do everything like perfect to get them like upsidedown... if you like to i can help you, add my msn valekar@gamers.nu

[Jwizzman]

yup you got it right... brandy is aerial takeoff, barani is punch takeoff... however, i don't think it's always been like that. I think tricksters were the ones who separated the two... I do believe they used to be called the same thing.

hmmm....that makes me quite curious, is there an aerial with punch takeoff?

[GoldVision]

The take-off is actually from one-leg like an Aerial, alot of people do punch Front-halves which can be confused as a Barani, but shouldn't be...



In relation to the thread, there are about 3 different ways of corking. They are more-so methods; than variations (cause those can be limitless). Anyway, the three are Corkscrew, Straight Cork, and Fall-back Cork...

Corkscrew, is your standard cork: 180-degree flatspin, 540-degree twist, basically a Btwist from a Moon Kick set up...

users: Anis, Gary Ip, Matt (Sheep), Crazy Asian, Chris Balualua, Steve Terada, Mogwai, Fosse, Chris (StriKingZ)...


Straight Cork, is a stiffer cork: barely any flatspin (0-degrees), 540-degree twist, more of a Btwist from a stretch kick (stiff round)...

users: Kim Do, Anthony Atkins, Joe Gacayan, Dean Alexandrou, Chris Devera, Daniel Sterling...


Fall-back Cork, is similar to the standard cork, but the user leans way back as the initial kick is thrown...kinda acts as a counter balance, which results in a lower but faster spin...

users: KJER, Sesshoumaru (me), Ryan Rempfer, Jim Ng | Jester, Jason Hutchins...


very helpfull...im not sure what cork will suit me better, but thats for me to find out :tongue: