Optimum Momentum

[jamesters]

I learned long ago that doing a Round Off followed by a Back Hand Spring followed by a Back Hand Spring would give optimum momentum for flips (well, flips that can be properly done from a RO or BHS that is).

But, after having viewed Anis do a Triple Full Twist only from a RO (on flat ground too!) and then viewing another person do a Triple Back from only a RO and BHS, I wonder what is actually required for optimum momentum. I mean, if Anis could do a Triple Full from just an RO then that would make it seem like he would have the potential to pull off a Quad Full if he did a RO BHS BHS. And Triple Back is a Super E skill move I'm pretty sure. So I would have thought the gymnast would have wanted optimum momentum to attempt such a hard move, but he left off the second BHS.

So that's why I'm thinking what I originally learned might be incorrect. So can you really get optimum momentum from just a RO all by itself? Does it somewhat depend on other factors like body type or flip being done? Can anyone clarify this for me?

Edit:
This is off topic but I don't feel like creating another thread for it. Does anyone have a video showing a Quad Full being done? I've never seen it before and would really like to!

[Taimatsu]

When it comes down to the technical science of it, the best anyone can come up with, is theories.

Theories is all you'll get unless someone one day decides to spend years trying to prove this wrong, analyzing 100 gymnasts' tumbling passes from every possible camera angle, and analyzing the degrees of movement, and the weight ratio of every subject, and their speed of takeoff, and their body proportions, and their muscular output, and their blocking abilities, plus every other variable, and eventually come down to a simple "overall" answer rather than a specific "Yes! Two backhandsprings are better than none or one!".

I personally believe in the preference of the individual. But that's just me.

[Dizzy]

i agree with taimatsu... even if u say that 2 bhs give optimum momentum...not everyone has an optimum build or perfected skill...even ppl that can triple back have flaws....so in the end it should come down to the individual

[GSimp]

I always thought that just a RO is the most effective way to get momentum. Simply because when you sprint in to a RO and block it, you are going much faster than if you were doing BHS.

[Taimatsu]

Edit: oh and Anis may just not have a very good bhs, i can nearly dbl full from a RO but if i tried to RO BHS dbl full i'd fail bad

I have the same thing. I can doublefull from a single roundoff just fine, but when I add a backhandspring, I can't complete the maneuver. And I DO have good tecnique on my BHS. ....or so I believe.

[skullmyst]

I always thought that just a RO is the most effective way to get momentum. Simply because when you sprint in to a RO and block it, you are going much faster than if you were doing BHS.

Actually, gymnasts with very good skill can maintain their speed throughout the Backhandsprings.

[trickster914]

can anis quad full? i do better with justa round off to a flip/twist

[thereid]

i prefer RO BHS, and on this topic i agree with TAIMATSU's first post. and jamesters when are coming out with a new sampler or tutorial?

[jamesters]

i prefer RO BHS, and on this topic i agree with TAIMATSU's first post. and jamesters when are coming out with a new sampler or tutorial?
Aw man, I don't know. Me and Jaron actually filmed some stuff one day but the only good park near us is rarely secluded and therefore usually not great for filming. Haha, so I probably won't get another sampler done until like December. But only time can tell I guess.

[thereid]

Aw man, I don't know. Me and Jaron actually filmed some stuff one day but the only good park near us is rarely secluded and therefore usually not great for filming. Haha, so I probably won't get another sampler done until like December. But only time can tell I guess.ok take ur time its better to WAIT for a good sampler than see a rushed crappy one, and i'm glad ur including jaron i missed him:punched:

[jaron]

me too

[Flowers]

The quad full on club540 is only RO bhs Im pretty sure.

[tracekillz]

I have the same thing. I can doublefull from a single roundoff just fine, but when I add a backhandspring, I can't complete the maneuver. And I DO have good tecnique on my BHS. ....or so I believe.

then perhaps youre twisting before you layout? either way, i do mine with just a RO as well. i just find it more..space efficient? haha iono. id go for personal preference.

[Flowers]

You just gotta get used to coming out of the bhs and then doing your moves. It's a whole different feeling than from the roundoff. It just takes time. I hate the bhs personally.

[jamesters]

The quad full on club540 is only RO bhs Im pretty sure.

Ya, so now I've sen a tripple back AND a quad full done only off a RO BHS, it seems like that second BHS just might not be necessary if you have the right technique.