arabian or cartwheel front

[thereid]

i tried an arabian today and i kept getting scared after the round off, i'd just jump, turn, and be too scared to flip, then i did it once and bailed and it hurt, i was more scared then i was when i was learning the backflip. So i thought i'd try cartwheel fronts, which ones better/easier-RO arabian or cartwheel front?

[Tossman]

i find arabians easier
hehe possible coz i dunno how to use the cartwheel properly...

[TKD_Andy]

cartwheel fronts are a piece of piss, you always know where you're going and you can get crazy height without trying that hard.

just do a FULL cartwheel with the arms fully extended, then do a fast cartwheel and spring up with the arms locked, tuck, untuck, land, BONER!

[BenjaminTowels]

I learned the Cart front first, but then I noticed they were better for comboing, but if you wanted height, you should go for the RO arabian.

[Swartz]

I keep trying this move, get close, but usually mentally fucked. It's so physically easy but I don't quite do it right most of the time, resulting in bails haha.

[Alexx]

I keep trying this move, get close, but usually mentally fucked. It's so physically easy but I don't quite do it right most of the time, resulting in bails haha.

hell yes. i want it so bad as well :(

[Kyukodo Gaz]

Cart front is easier, roof arabian is better. TKD Andy is completely right. The key to nailing the arabian is nailing the round-off. When you feel like yuo get enough time to turn and tuck you are probably right.

Start with cart front. That will improve your confidence enough to get going.

[BenjaminTowels]

Use a trampoline if you're scared to learn to arabian. It's not too terribly difficult.

Just do a round off, then as your rising in the air do a 180, and tuck.

[Alexx]

I keep trying this move, get close, but usually mentally fucked. It's so physically easy but I don't quite do it right most of the time, resulting in bails haha.

hell yes. i want it so bad as well :(

yeah so uh... i landed them today :tongue: :smile:

[jiayo-chris]

its piss to flip i find it hard not to over rotate as its a blind move

[Inkrepid]

I suck at flipping frontwards, no matter what, I just cant rotate fast forwards at all..Cant even land front flips.

[Chad0]

I find cartwheel fronts a lot easier then arabians, you can definatly control the height you get on the flip a lot better then u can on the arabian :)

[thereid]

thanks everyone, but do you need to have a really good front flip to do arabians or cartwheel fronts?, i can do front flips but i land a little low.

[NOT Muscle Man]

not necessarily...i find arabians easier because I can go much higher out of my r/o than my cartwheel, so I have more time to turn and flip, on the other hand its less of a turn out of a carthwheel....It all depends on your preference and how good your r/o or carthwheel is.

[Kyukodo Gaz]

Nailed both in combo for the first time today!!! hehehehe. just thought I would gloat a bit as I now feel like a tricking god (even though the tricks are basic as hell!!). I love good sessions!

Just thought I would share the love.

[Swartz]

Well it makes the rest of us jealous you little ass.

Good job anyway. FUCKING SHIT.

[BenjaminTowels]

There's a difference between a tumbling pass, and a trickster combo.

[jiayo-chris]

Yea you can't kick when you tumble!

[sesshoumaru]

Cartwheel Fronts should be easier to perform, but slightly harder to land. Alot of people end up with a slanted-landing, due to the design of the cartwheel.

[Swartz]

Haha well that's how I crash mine, slightly slanted. I was really close at Toronto when I first tried them and all my attempts since then have been completely crap.

[BenjaminTowels]

When most people learn Cart tucks, they tend to do a sideways round off anyways.

[Swartz]

Yeah, either that or role out of the cartwheel, one foot at a time, like uh...snugglefunked, and his are great. I haven't really tried it much that way, but I'd like too. All my attempts were pretty more sideway roundoffish like you said.

[NOT Muscle Man]

Cartwheel Fronts should be easier to perform, but slightly harder to land. Alot of people end up with a slanted-landing, due to the design of the cartwheel.

really? i always found arabians easier to perform because I could get a lot more height out of my r/o then out of my carthweel...but I guess it also depends on your style and what you feel more comfortable doing.

[jiayo-chris]

I can do either but stomped cartwheels give you alot more power.

[BenjaminTowels]

If you actually cartwheeled, You'd end up doing more of an arabian, than a front.

[chicanerous]

I've never tried a cartwheel front, but, with the arabian, the trick is to know where you are before you flip. It may seem too simple but try this progression:

Round-off + rebound
Round-off + rebound + half twist -- work a lot of these sighting properly
Round-off + rebound + half twist + dive roll
Round-off + rebound + half twist + front flip = arabian, tada!

Sight a spot in the direction you want to travel after your twist and then flip towards it. If you make this eye contact, you'll figure where you are and not lose your sense of direction, which is usually what causes bails when you're learning this move.

Also, very important: twist, THEN flip. Don't twist and flip.

Remember that, since you're already in the air, you need to generate rotation for your front from your arm throw if you want to get around. If you can't do this, you need to go back to Fronts 101 and work on technique.

You should also have a good, consistent front before you try to arabian because, if you're just hucking your fronts without any aerial awareness and then you start adding a round-off half twist to it, no wonder you'll be bailing and losing yourself left and right.

Sometimes the problem starts all the way back in the round-off. You need to block hard off the floor and come out of the round-off with your chest and arms up with an open shoulder position. If your shoulders are closed or your chest down, it's likely things aren't going to go smooth from then on.

[Swartz]

Yeah I considered that tip before I think chicanerous. The dive roll in place of the tuck. That still freaks me out though, I end up getting plenty of height on my roundoffs then halftwisting. It's all mental for me. I can physically do what's required already haha (both cart-fronts and roundoff-arabians).

[TKD_Andy]

cartwheel front flips are INCREDIBLY SIMPLE.

do a cartwheel nice and fast, and keep your arms locked out the whole way through. As you finish the cartwheel just jump up and tuck and you'll land it.

the more you do it like a proper gymnast cartwheel the more it will be like an arabian, as you will have turn 180 in order to fflip. However a side to side cartwheel is easier to turn into a fflip.

[Redfire]

never tried cart-fronts but this thread simplifies the junk out of them so i'll try that next session.

as for arabians, i landed that move twice a while ago. haven't tried it since. it's less fun than a lot of things you can do from a round-off. don't you agree?

edit: lol, everyone's post count went down.

[TiVo]

I can't do one anymore...it always turns into a fulltwist dleg thing when done out of a cartwhell...I prefer cart fronts of course!

[Redfire]

well that's cool, User Name, i'll have to try that. :smile:

[lak89]

cartwheel fronts are easier, you should try cartwheel dive rolls first, so you get the feel for rotation

[JKT]

so cart front is basically like a prereq for an arabian?

[NOT Muscle Man]

so cart front is basically like a prereq for an arabian?

not exactly, because if you learn cart fronts first, you're going to have a harder time learning arabs because you're going to be in the habit of cheating your r/o, i'd say its easier to learn arabs first then go to cart fronts, b/c you get more height off of arabs so that way you get used to the set and feel of the front tuck out of the turn because you'll have more height and not have to worry so much about rushing over for lack of height. (hope that made sense)