Breakdancing??? [Archive] - Tricks Tutorials

highwind331

Dec-11-06, 05:39 PM

There's really not that many bboying moves used in tricking. L-kicks are probably the most common I guess, but there's already a tricking variation for that. Seriously, powermoves like flares and airflares are really only a small part of bboying and if you started doing footwork after a tricking set it would look weird.

Though knowing how to bboy helps. The upperbody rotation learned in hopping mills made it a lot eaiser to learn spin tricks.

Cicero

Dec-11-06, 07:30 PM

I will explain why I said shut up... As to not sound like a complete asshole.

Breakdancing does NOT exist in tricking, except for a few moves: masterswipes, windmills and Au Batidos.

Breakdancing is a DANCE. It has a style and it's not based on tricks, but on fluidity and coordination. That's why people that do alot of powermoves in bboying are looked down upon as having no style.

Tricking is a form of martial arts expression. It's based on offensive looking techniques as part of combos. The basis of tricking is tricks.

Breakdancing is not part of Tricking. By saying that, you're implying that Breakdancing is a style of Tricking, which it is not.

So not only are you disrespecting Tricking by not knowing what it's about, but you're also disrespecting Breakdancing by thinking it's all about the tricks.

Skilzat85X

Dec-11-06, 07:38 PM

Windmills are NOT a part of tricking. They are a part of breaking, PERIOD. Even if you do them and you're a tricker, they still originated directly from break dancing and are labeled as purely a break dancing move.
The tricking masterswipe is nowhere near as skillful or good looking as the break dancing masterswipe.
The Au Batido isn't really in breaking that much, they do the L Kick or Nike, which are in fact different.

There are entire communities dedicated solely to break dancing, you can join those. And I'm sure Juji doesn't practice break dancing. And break dancing incorporates a lot more than just the same single power moves over and over.

Final Prophecy

Dec-11-06, 08:44 PM

Calm down, breakdancing is only really a small part of tricking. How many good tricksters can you name that windmill, flair and 1990?

Steve Terada.

On another note, Cicero is exactly right. Also, dont necessarily incorporate Capoeira with breaking because the two are greatly different as well (similar moves though, but these are a bit different, such as 1990s, Hollow-backs, and various freezes).

Sly

Dec-11-06, 08:53 PM

you do can do Raiz's in tapdancing...lets make a tapdancing subforum!!! =P

Cicero

Dec-12-06, 06:29 AM

Lollermao.

JKT

Dec-12-06, 09:15 AM

you do can do Raiz's in tapdancing...lets make a tapdancing subforum!!! =P

you serious? i may start tap dancing!:tongue:

Skilzat85X

Dec-12-06, 09:40 AM

Yea, you may learn something.

TartanPajamas

Dec-12-06, 10:40 AM

Steve Terada.

On another note, Cicero is exactly right. Also, dont necessarily incorporate Capoeira with breaking because the two are greatly different as well (similar moves though, but these are a bit different, such as 1990s, Hollow-backs, and various freezes).

I didn't say no one could, I asked how many. You came up with one.

As for Cicero, I'd like you to explain to me how not knowing something can in any way be disrespectful.

Cicero

Dec-12-06, 11:05 AM

I didn't say no one could, I asked how many. You came up with one.

As for Cicero, I'd like you to explain to me how not knowing something can in any way be disrespectful.

You clearly didn't get the point, so I'll say it one more time just for you.

Cicero: It is not disrespectful to not know something, however it is disrespectful to not know something and pretend like you do. He fucking said Breakdancing is part of Tricking.

TartanPajamas: O Rly?

Cicero: I pretty much can assure you that if he said that in front of a breaking crew he would have his head repositioned.

How would you feel if some guy told you Tricking is part of Gymnastics?

TartanPajamas: I see now...Can I still touch your penis?

Cicero: No

TartanPajamas: *cries

NatsuGaijin

Dec-12-06, 12:08 PM

Yeah, but it would be nice to have a sub-forum for it anyways.

I'm learning too.

Cicero

Dec-12-06, 12:14 PM

>.>

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Skilzat85X

Dec-12-06, 02:48 PM

>.>

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a-FRIGGIN-greed.

Final Prophecy

Dec-12-06, 04:06 PM

www.bboy.org --- the solution.

Go there for breaking...Problem solved, thread closed

By the way Tartan, you'd be surprised how many trickers can do bboy moves. I know alot who can do masterswipes, 1990s, the like. Perhaps they wish not to put them in their samplers?

Besides, lets have a little foresight guys. If a breakdancing subforum were to be made, it would just turn into a whole bunch of video posts of Bboy battles, some people have already posted tutorials for BBoy moves, check out some of JKT's shit. I know he's posted a 1990 tut and all.

Final Prophecy

Dec-12-06, 04:10 PM

GMS FTW

You DO have alot of posts, you ever notice that? :ouch:

Skilzat85X

Dec-12-06, 04:53 PM

check out some of JKT's shit.
Haha. Ok guys, we can stop joking now. It's ok.

chobos bak?

Dec-12-06, 09:56 PM

fucking hell he is aloud to have his opinion but ya i dont think breakdancing is a major part of tricking

Lusion

Dec-25-06, 02:58 PM

ok listen

'breakdancing' is for people who dont know what they are on about

its bboyin

bboyin didnt come from gymnastics, it came from people who danced in clubs in the early 70's and they started doing something different

anis is a really good bboy, i havnt seen much of his dancing but he does footwork, freezes, power, toprocks, flips (obviously) and tricks

trickers sometimes use breakin moves, bboys sometimes use trickin moves

they can help eachother

i trick and break, oh god im evil...

peace

JKT

Dec-25-06, 04:07 PM

I trick and break to, adds alot of style, i love footwork!

thereid

Dec-25-06, 11:43 PM

It's true, tricking maybe incorparate a couple bboy moves but it simply does'nt bear the same spirit.

Soul Food

Dec-26-06, 04:01 AM

i trick and bboy to... i think they actual go together very nicely! (i also freerun just coz i am an asshole)

saunders

Dec-26-06, 04:19 AM

Bboying came from gymnastics, the only difference is that Bboys dance... (fags)
not exactly, bboying is (like tricking) a mixture of some MA's and gymnastics. bboying uses moves from gymnastics like flares and sometimes backflips, but there are also a lot of moves used from capoeira (like swipes, 1990s and some other shizzle) and african dancing.

@this topic:
bboying and tricking go nicely together, but bboying is more about dancing, while tricking has absolutely nothing to do with dancing. so if you are a trickster and decide to incorporate some bboying moves into your routines, you still don't have the right to call yourself a bboy if you don't dance.

if you watch some recent battles, you will see that bboys are using more and more moves that are also used in tricking. most bboys know about tricking, and are also tricksters. there were bboys i used to train with that did corks, btwists, aerials, doublelegs and even 540s and 540crescents.

ok i don't think this whole essay was relevant in any way to this topic..

JKT

Dec-26-06, 05:00 AM

I need help combining tricking with bboyin, if u see my sampler, i rarely do breakin stuff, like 3step 6 step baby freeze, only my shitty 1990's and sexy l-kicks and nike kicks.

maxx

Dec-26-06, 10:25 AM

Tricking = gymnastics + MA

Bboying came from gymnastics, the only difference is that Bboys dance... (fags)

bboying didnt come from gymnastics. as someone stated before it came from the clubs n stuff....as we've borrowed from bboys, bboys have borrowed from tricksters..just cuz we throw a bboy move doesnt make us bboys and just cuz u see a bboy do a tricking move..doesnt make them a trickster.....of course unless your name is darkness..that dudes a straight trickster lol.

thereid: i tend to disagree when tricksters do battles it has the same mentality and feel to me as bboy battles. And we generally set it up the same way as bboys do too. even our rules are similar...the cleaner trick will prevail over sloppy and bad attempted bigger tricks. ex. jester vs danny

Skilzat85X

Dec-26-06, 11:23 AM

Trickster battles are incomparable to bboy battles.

Lusion

Dec-26-06, 12:54 PM

in breakin battles there are sometimes parts where one bboy does a move, then the opposing bboy tries to do better to show he can, then the original guy will then try to go a step further...ect

i think this is the same as trickster battles

one guy does a cork, so the next does a cork variation, so the next does a double...ect...

there are similarities about both worlds and some people do both but they do not actually involve eachother properly

peace

JKT

Dec-26-06, 12:57 PM

Skilzat85X

Dec-26-06, 01:06 PM

So uhh....

Am I the only person in this thread who watches bboy battles? Cause after all these posts, that's what it seems like.

Lusion

Dec-26-06, 01:12 PM

er no your not the only one who watches them, but if it makes me any better than you then i could say i have entered bboy battles and won...

saunders

Dec-26-06, 01:20 PM

bboy battles are nothing like tricking battles

Lusion

Dec-26-06, 01:47 PM

it depends, bboy battles can change, depending on who is battleing

some might try to impress the crowd and judges, other may try and beat whatever the other guy throwsdown by doing slightly better or some may throwdown their best sets and hope it wins, even some just like to play with the music

maxx

Dec-26-06, 07:36 PM

So uhh....

Am I the only person in this thread who watches bboy battles? Cause after all these posts, that's what it seems like.

lol yup.

the rest of us actually participate in them. haha.

Lusion: your always trying to impress crowds and judges, and trying to outdo your opponent...theirs just certain criteria in a battle you gotta be thinking,,hittin the beat, coming out clean, not repeating sets, doing big stuff, gotta go for that wow factor. i mean you can look at the grading system judges went by at boty for the battles and thats pretty much what you should be thinking in a battle.

if you've watched boty this score sheet should be self explanatory. http://www.battleoftheyear.net/worldwide/stuff/botyint06/

basically im pointing out the bboying/bgirling part cuz thats was relevent really to us.

Skilzat85X

Dec-26-06, 08:25 PM

the rest of us actually participate in them. haha.
Would you care to try to back up this rather bold claim?

JKT

Dec-27-06, 04:44 AM

So uhh....

Am I the only person in this thread who watches bboy battles? Cause after all these posts, that's what it seems like.

I watch bboy battles, there not that similar 2 tricking battles, cus bboyin is about style, tricking is all about power...

maxx

Dec-27-06, 05:14 AM

Would you care to try to back up this rather bold claim?

wut bold claim..i dont just watch battles i participate in them...how hard a concept is that to get.

Final Prophecy

Dec-27-06, 10:50 AM

Lusion, I wouldn't be so bold to say that "I don't know what im talking about." The term BBoy was spread *alot* by E-Boys anyways. Go look that up if you dont know what the fuck I'm talking about. Seriously I know some damn good "Bboys" who still refer to their practice as breaking and they don't even have internet access in their god damn homes.

JKT, I know alot of tricker-bboy hybrids who usually do a tricking move (say for instance, roundoff flash), into a circle then they begin their Toprock. Just work on your transitions.

Never seen a tricking battle before so I can't really comment on how they are compared to bboy battles.

JKT

Dec-27-06, 11:00 AM

Are there any really good eboys?

Final Prophecy

Dec-27-06, 11:49 AM

Well seeing as though there are a ton of good tutorials out there, I'd assume there are.

Cicero

Dec-27-06, 12:17 PM

It all about style yooooooo

maxx

Dec-27-06, 03:07 PM

Are there any really good eboys?

no bboy is gonna call themselves an eboy...it was a termed by koreans anyways so maybe they call themselves that but ive never heard anyone say that in the us.

Lusion

Dec-27-06, 03:38 PM

there probably are some good 'eboys'

final prophecy: im not saying you dont know what your talking about its just alot of people start chatting like they know what they are talking about yet they dont know what the real term is...

maxx: theres many factors to be thinking of during a battle, but they change from battle to battle, in an organised battle and arranged you will most likely try to hit the beats and be clean, non repetitive so the judges think your the winner.
but say your in a circle, e.g you pull of an invert in your set, then some guy comes in and tries to beat what you did by doing a set then finishes with a harder transition into invert, you go back on, you have to do better so a harder invert and transition and other freezes into and out of it, it becomes like a mini battle to see who can do it the best

i think it changes eachtime

like for people who do footwork and freezes they will try and do it to the beat, but for a powerhead, they will try and pull off clean but very hard combos to win that might not hit any beats, but its not always the factor

it always depends on the situation

but yeh the things you said about the boty score-card and that in a battle yeh you have to think of all that

i think i know a little about what im talking about since i was brought into breakin properly by the rock steady crew and they taught me when i was new to it for about a year and a half

skilzat99x: can you do anything to do with breakin? or do you just watch the battles?

peace

Ashtar

Dec-27-06, 05:52 PM

Wasn't a lot of bboying/breakdancing (who gives a shit what it's called?) inspired by dumbed-down Capoeira done to different music?

maxx

Dec-27-06, 08:39 PM

Wasn't a lot of bboying/breakdancing (who gives a shit what it's called?) inspired by dumbed-down Capoeira done to different music?

no capoeira and bboying had no idea of eachothers existance. your gonna find alot of dances and capoeira have alot in common but were created completly seperatly..theirs a video online floating around called "eveyrones a biter"...it shows how basically everythings crossed over even though they were created years sometimes decades apart.

watch the freshiest kids it gives a good rundown of capoeria and bboying. it wasnt inspired by capoeira in a simple answer...just a coicidence their similar. later bboying got alot of moves from capoeira like hollowbacks n such.

Lusion: didnt say u didnt know wut u were talkin about. just throwin my views out there..its cool u got brought up by rsc.

Skilzat85X

Dec-27-06, 09:13 PM

skilzat99x: can you do anything to do with breakin? or do you just watch the battles?
Of course I can. Or else I wouldn't be talking about it, would I?

And let's pose this question:
How many of you (I'm sure Lusion can, and probably maxx) can actually throw down some decent footwork? Because you can't run into a circle, do 5 second tricking combo, be finished and call yourself a breaker. Seriously, bboying is a dance, not a sport like tricking. Without the rhythmic movements you're not doing crap.

Lusion

Dec-28-06, 05:47 AM

oh god ive seen people who can trick do that before, i feel sorry for them since they think they will impress, some might clap, but the bboys surruodning the circle will just stare

im glad people on this thread are talking decent about breakin now :-)

at first it sounded a bit pair shaped but its making more sense now

is anyone one here reppin any crews, non trickin so i wont include them

im in:
Endless Limits (my own local crew of liverpool)
Children of the Monkey Basket (best crew in the uk although entered nothing all 2006, but won like everything for about 5 years, i was asked to join this year)
Liverpools Finest (im a new member of a crew reppin liverpool at the moment with remarkable and pepito)

non proper crews but still used:
K1X crew (for people who break who own something of the k1x make)
A.S.B.O Effect (dont know yet)

i think thats them all haha

peace

NyCz JeSteR

Dec-28-06, 08:35 AM

Lusion, my brother wants to smoke you.

saunders

Dec-28-06, 08:56 AM

6-step
3-step
2-step
1-step
capoeira stuff
and some made up shit
also i can prob do all my footwork both ways

god jkt, please shut the fuck up

maxx

Dec-28-06, 10:20 AM

Lusion, my brother wants to smoke you.

haha lusion dont do it...lol. Jims brother will do it..he did it to me when i had just gotten into bboying. that was an awakening for sure.

Cicero

Dec-28-06, 10:36 AM

1-step?

I don't know what that is...

saunders

Dec-28-06, 11:26 AM

it's like the 9999999th term for a coffee grinder or helicopter

burgerguy09

Dec-28-06, 12:25 PM

Wow, its amazing what a large response three sentences can do. I must have phrased that wrong, cause some of these responses seem to think I said something other then I meant.
First of all, I never said breakdancing=tricking. It doesn't. Its simply something I feel could be incorporated into tricking combos given the right technique and strenght. All I meant was that it would be cool to have a subforum for breakdancing, just as we have one for nutrition/martial arts/stretching/gymnastics. I don't think anyone here would say any of those is = to tricking. Their not. Feel free to argue, but I don't think bannanas=tricking. They are simply things that can relate to tricking. In some ways, I feel tricking can relate to breakdancing and as such, I feel there should be a breakdancing subforum. Just something to discuss as martial arts and gymnastics are discussed.

Maybe all the !!!!!!'s in my first post were misleading...

Cicero

Dec-28-06, 12:32 PM

it's like the 9999999th term for a coffee grinder or helicopter

OH! Thanks :D

Wow, its amazing what a large response three sentences can do. I must have phrased that wrong, cause some of these responses seem to think I said something other then I meant.
First of all, I never said breakdancing=tricking. It doesn't. Its simply something I feel could be incorporated into tricking combos given the right technique and strenght. All I meant was that it would be cool to have a subforum for breakdancing, just as we have one for nutrition/martial arts/stretching/gymnastics. I don't think anyone here would say any of those is = to tricking. Their not. Feel free to argue, but I don't think bannanas=tricking. They are simply things that can relate to tricking. In some ways, I feel tricking can relate to breakdancing and as such, I feel there should be a breakdancing subforum. Just something to discuss as martial arts and gymnastics are discussed.

Maybe all the !!!!!!'s in my first post were misleading...

I know what you meant, I just wanted to take the piss out of you because you didn't formulate it correctly. Cheers :wink:

Bentinho

Dec-28-06, 02:54 PM

video mentioned earlier.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg3L-UAurlE

Being a capoeirista, being into hip hop culture and dabbling in bboying.. ive always said to my friends, "capoeira and breaking are similar in that they both come from the souls of oppressed(mostly of african descent) people. its just that a bboys chains were never physical ones." some moves might be similar but the values, context and application are different. same goes for tricking and bboying. IMHO

saunders

Dec-29-06, 04:12 AM

to get back on topic:

i suggested the same idea of making a bboying subforum a couple of months ago. i got the same responses. then i understood why it isn't such a great idea: if you make a bboying subforum, then practioners of other sports would want their own subforum too, so you will probably end up with too many subforums (like one for bboying, one for capoeira, one for parkou etc. etc.).

rather than making a subforum for just one sport, it's better making a subforum for other disciplines. so right now we have a martial arts forum, but i think it should be changed into an "other disciplines" subforum, or something like that. we should have a subforum that practioners of any other sport or dance (with the exception of tricking) can post in.

JKT

Dec-29-06, 01:23 PM

brandon904

Dec-29-06, 01:55 PM

Of course I can. Or else I wouldn't be talking about it, would I?

And let's pose this question:
How many of you (I'm sure Lusion can, and probably maxx) can actually throw down some decent footwork? Because you can't run into a circle, do 5 second tricking combo, be finished and call yourself a breaker. Seriously, bboying is a dance, not a sport like tricking. Without the rhythmic movements you're not doing crap.

bboying is so fun.
I can't right now because of my back, but i can do some sweet stuff on the floor and i love doing stand up foot work "up rock". I love bboying so much because it's so...yours. you make things your own with your own individuality and uniqueness. It's like...when people throw corks during battles its like..cool. anyone can cork lol now show us something that makes YOU DIFFERENT.

Lusion

Dec-29-06, 04:31 PM

Lusion, my brother wants to smoke you.

so he wants to battle... ok sure ill battle whenever i have the chance to

oh and dont say he wants to smoke me since he doesnt know what skill i have, same with i wouldnt say i would smoke your bro coz i dont know what skill he has

but he can battle me if he is up for it

whats his name?

peace

Skilzat85X

Dec-29-06, 06:13 PM

If you want different "disciplines" for other subforums, why not make a dance one in general?

brandon904

Dec-29-06, 06:39 PM

If you want different "disciplines" for other subforums, why not make a dance one in general?
Sorry to butt in, but I can't think of many other dancing styles that are similar or remotely related to tricking. Breakdancing has many similarities but also distinct differences

Skilzat85X

Dec-29-06, 06:58 PM

Try ballet.

WHO CARES!

Dance is dance which is an athletic pursuit just like tricking or conditioning.

Plus, there are plenty of martial arts which feature movements that you'll never see in tricking.

saunders

Dec-30-06, 04:06 AM

no that wasn't my point skilzat99x

i want a subforum that practioners of any sport, except for tricking, can post in. not just a subforum for dancing

Skilzat85X

Dec-30-06, 08:36 AM

Ehhh toooo broad. Heck, dancing is broad enough.

If it's going to be that way, maybe we don't even need another one.

saunders

Dec-30-06, 09:37 AM

i don't think it would be too broad. think about it: most question abouts tricks will go into the 'tips for your tricks' section anyway, people won't think about what sport-origin their trick has.
the dancing, battling, sparring, and all those other non-trick related questions and debates will go in the new subforum.
i mean, just look at the present martial art forum: people aren't posting much in it, while the there are so many martial arts.
i don't think it's too broad

EDIT:
i'm curious what juji's thinks of this