Lifting for tricks?

[MasamKilik]

I just watched dogen's tutorial on conditioning (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fyQQFzP2H2s) and I agree that conditioning is very important for tricking. However, I was wondering if the conditioning had to be weight lifting, or could it just be strenght exercises with out weights? Like push ups, sit ups, pull ups, running, and stuff like a hell of a lot of squats, just with out weights? Then you can strength train a lot longer aswell as a lot more often, just at a lower level, but still build very solid and endurable?

So, I was just wondering what everyone else's views were on this, and if anyone could share some experiences with this... cause I wanna know what I should do. Thanks!

[NightHunter]

Tricking is not an endurance sport. You need a modicum of anaerobic endurance for extended combos, and that is it. You will never be performing for more than 10 seconds, and even that would be a beastly combo.

Tricking is a speed/power sport. You need to be able to produce a great deal of force very quickly to propel yourself through the various jumps, spins, and flips. You only need to contract your muscles for a brief period of time to perform a trick, but that contraction must be near maximal.

This being said, the loading parameters should be max or near max loads, for very few reps, performed quickly (but with good form), with a few minutes rest between sets. Exercises should be ones that focus on hip and knee extension for jumping power, and core strength (gag me) for stability and spins. These would be full body compound lifts, such as the deadlift and variations, squat, and some sort of pressing motion for the upper body just to even out the pulling from the deadlifts.
You should also perform plyometric exercises to help with power generation.

I hope this answers your question.

[giovanni]

I don't like the term conditioning. It reminds me of documentaries on budhist monks doing hundreds of situps. Then kids running to there bedrooms doing the same, developing a imbalanced physique then asking there mom to buy icecream so they can bulk up.

[NightHunter]

I consider conditioning to be a fine term, though I usually use it to refer to preparing the body for the rigors of whatever activity you're going to do, rather than training to improve the activity(punching hard stuff is conditioning, practicing body hardening techniques, Dogen's ankle conditioning guide).

[MasamKilik]

Well, I'm a bit confused on what conditioning programs/ or activities I should take up for tricking. I really wanna condition a lot of tricking but I hear so many different ways people do it, and lots of them contradict others. I was just hoping i'd get to find out what the majority of people think about the types of conditioning needed for tricking. I started Dogen's Titianium ankles conditioning, by doing all the exercises he talked about on that. But I still have a lot of questions that I would really like it if anyone can answer the following and explian how it will help me in tricking:
What parts of the body need to be conditioned for tricking?
Which types of conditioning should be used on those body parts?
And I would like if you could share some of the exercises I could do for those types of conditioning.
What kinds of equiptment and materials do I need (if any) to do those conditioning exercises?
Is doing lots and lots of pushup variations and sit up variations and stuff like pulls ups everyday a good idea if you're a trickster?

Other questions: (I know they are kinda random but I've always wanted to know)

Do the members of Team Ryouko weight train?
and what types of conditioning do they do? (those guys are like my favorite tricksters, I don't know why, but that's why I wanna know what they do)
Also, I was wondering what types of weight training and conditioning Anis does, cause that guy flys! I'd really appreatiate it if someone helped me out with these. :D

[chicanerous]

http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17930

[fantomkid1]

hmm..im starting to get into tricking and itd be nice to know the same thing..tryin to develop an appropriate work/conditioning and deit

[NightHunter]

I'm feeling a tad ignored.

Try this. Lift heavy stuff from the ground in various ways without allowing your back to bend excessively.

[chicanerous]

I'm feeling a tad ignored.
It's because you used the word "modicum" and then their little heads exploded.

[MasamKilik]

Thanks a lot for all the help so far guys, I'm starting to figure most this out. But I was wondering, would it still be a good idea to do lots of push ups, sit ups, etc.? Also, does anyone know what kind of conditioning Team Ryouko, and Anis Cheurfa do?

[NightHunter]

Thanks a lot for all the help so far guys, I'm starting to figure most this out. But I was wondering, would it still be a good idea to do lots of push ups, sit ups, etc.?

Tricking is not an endurance sport. You need a modicum of anaerobic endurance for extended combos, and that is it. You will never be performing for more than 10 seconds, and even that would be a beastly combo.

Tricking is a speed/power sport. You need to be able to produce a great deal of force very quickly to propel yourself through the various jumps, spins, and flips. You only need to contract your muscles for a brief period of time to perform a trick, but that contraction must be near maximal.

This being said, the loading parameters should be max or near max loads, for very few reps, performed quickly (but with good form), with a few minutes rest between sets. Exercises should be ones that focus on hip and knee extension for jumping power, and core strength (gag me) for stability and spins. These would be full body compound lifts, such as the deadlift and variations, squat, and some sort of pressing motion for the upper body just to even out the pulling from the deadlifts.
You should also perform plyometric exercises to help with power generation.

I hope this answers your question.....

[compleks]

You typed more than a couple of sentences, which means 99% of the forum didn't read it.

[Lobo]

I certainly didn't.

[MasamKilik]

NightHunter, I read that, thanks. But I'm still wondering does that mean I have to exlusively do that conditioning and absolutly NO sit ups, push ups, etc.?

And I've found some sample conditioning programs, and a lot of other things, but I don't know what half the exercises are! I tried google, and wikipedia, but I never really figure out how to do the exercise =[
Is there like a few sites or something out there that have the names of the exercises and diagrams or pictures and discriptions that I can figure it all out from?

[TETSUJINX3]

yeh i read that nice advice tis basically what i do anyways so hopefully im heading in the right direction

[J.B. II]

branling is the only thing that makes you branle better.

[NightHunter]

I certainly didn't.

You're excused, you already know it.

NightHunter, I read that, thanks. But I'm still wondering does that mean I have to exlusively do that conditioning and absolutly NO sit ups, push ups, etc.?

And I've found some sample conditioning programs, and a lot of other things, but I don't know what half the exercises are! I tried google, and wikipedia, but I never really figure out how to do the exercise =[
Is there like a few sites or something out there that have the names of the exercises and diagrams or pictures and discriptions that I can figure it all out from?

It means keep the reps low, the load high, and the movement as quick as possible. If pushups and situps fulfill those requirements, then you can use them. Neither, though, will have any significant impact on your tricking.

[Bystander]

Honestly, I think drilling kicks is one of the largest benefactors for a trickster who seeks to "condition" his or her body for tricking.

[NightHunter]

Why? Seems more like technique practice to me.

[ZoVEGA]

I like some of the stuff in the thread. I would say that it is always good to get your body weight strenght up. Meaning doing different workouts that demand you to controle your body with its weight is some of the best stuff. we all have outer and under muscles that need to be worked and strengthend and when you use out side weight you dont allways (almost never) use both sets of muscles. but when you do things like push up and sixinches, handstand push ups you work both muscle groups in different areas that a set of weights would probly never get you to do. if your intrested check this out.

bodyweightculture.com

NOT saying that weigths are bad but its always better to get control over your body, this is what its about right the things you can do with your body. Get use to moveing your weight around before you try to control some outside what thats not always with you in the first place.

[Fanya]

Wow. NightHunter, you need to start bolding your posts or something. Or posting links to free candy; that might get their attention.

[Rahf]

I'd say Nighthunter posts very informative and good posts that aren't to difficult to read. Giving the excuse "It's to long to read" spells you as either a non-native english person or just a kid/idiot (no they are not the same but a combo can be pretty common). Keep up the good work Nighthunter.

And what Fanya said could also work slightly better if you have the energy for it. Bolding key words makes things easier for the lazy ones.

[NightHunter]

I'd say Nighthunter posts very informative and good posts that aren't to difficult to read. Giving the excuse "It's to long to read" spells you as either a non-native english person or just a kid/idiot (no they are not the same but a combo can be pretty common). Keep up the good work Nighthunter.

And what Fanya said could also work slightly better if you have the energy for it. Bolding key words makes things easier for the lazy ones.

I omit needless words.