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DarkXacreD
Dec-27-06, 10:55 PM
Okay guys, check this out:

I've been living with my cousins' family for the holidays, and they have this kinda ghetto workout setup that has a multi-purpose weights machine, a barbell with benchpress rack, and two dumbells.

I've been in Toronto since August. I don't drive, I don't really have friends, I can't drink because I don't even have an ID to begin with, let alone fake.

So what do I do? Lift weights.

Since the beginning of the holidays (Dec. 16th) I've been using the three things for a number of exercises. Here are the exercises and the weight I'm at for each of them at the moment; I've increased each by either 10 or 5 lbs for most of them since the beginning of the holidays.

Benchpress 100 lbs -
Pretty much the only thing I can do with the barbell cuz I can't get it off the rack or whatever. 80 lbs not including the barbell itself...it looks pretty skinny and my cousin says it's about 20 lbs, and something about how because it's so short it's not properly balanced so it feels even more heavy or whatever...I don't know about this stuff.

Wide grip lat pulldowns 160 lbs -
The only thing worth doing on the multipurpose machine, because the wirework is screwed up for the press and flyes parts, and the leg extention I just replaced with dumbell squats. 160 lbs

Dumbell shoulder press 25 lbs -
Annoying as hell to change the weights on these dumbells. Just so you get an idea: You need pliers. 25 lbs on each hand

Dumbell squats and deadlifts 50 lbs -
Yes, without changing the weights. 25 lbs on each hand. I know it's pathetic but...fuck it that's not what I even want to work on right now and I can't get the barbell off the damn rack

Sets and reps -
I've just been doing sets of between 3 and 5 for all of them just throughout the day. Inbetween sets I'd just mess around and like shadow box or just prance around aimlessly till I'm ready for another set or when I get tired. It's stupid, but it's almost cardio...right? Anyway, whenever I get bored (and believe me, this happens way more often than it should) I'd do 1 or 2 sets of each exercise. If my cousins are ever down there I might get up to like 3 sets at once. But even on a more lazy day I'll still get up to about 5 sets, except the 3 Xmas days where I was sick off my mind and was too busy shivering to do any weights.

Other stats -
Age: 18
Height: 5'7''
Weight: about 143 lbs
Body type: Athletic? Apparently I'm a mesomorph; I'm just lazy. Oh and my legs are kinda bigger than they should be compared to my upper body...if that makes any difference.
More info available upon request cuz I can't think of anything else to put.

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First problem:

Has anyone noticed that my benchpress kinda sucks?

That might actually be part of the answer I'm looking for here.

On the shoulder press I went from 20 lbs to 25 lbs

On the benchpress I went from 70 lbs to 80 lbs, and 90 lbs is no problem after a warmup. This is not counting the barbell. With the barbell it would be 90, 100, and 110 respectively, assuming the barbell itself weighs 20 lbs.

On the lat pulldown I went from 140 lbs to 160 lbs

Right now, it feels as though the benchpress keeps getting easier as I keep up with my sets, but the shoulder press and the pulldown is still as hard as when I changed the weights.

What's the deal with that? Is it because my benchpress sucked so bad before that my body's making it catch up? Why does it feel like I could put even more weight on the benchpress and still be okay, but I'm struggling like crazy on the shoulder press and pull downs?

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Second problem:

I've been just doing my sets in a circuit training fashion; 3 reps of one exercise, 3 reps of the next, 3 reps of the next, rest, start over, etc.

Is it better to get the sets done for one exercise before moving on to the next? How come?

benmoore
Dec-28-06, 02:15 AM
You sir are weak.

acidhell1
Dec-28-06, 02:50 AM
IMPRESSIVE...















for a 12 yeard old prepubescent girl ;P

Lobo
Dec-28-06, 03:01 AM
Wow, good advice guys! It is funny how every kid seems to think they're a mesomorph though.

Honken
Dec-28-06, 06:20 AM
I'm an ectomorph if that makes you feel better Lobo?

DarkXacreD
Dec-28-06, 06:33 AM
Pretty productive thread we got going here...


Wow, good advice guys! It is funny how every kid seems to think they're a mesomorph though.

lol I just based that on some random online quizzes

rock_ten
Dec-28-06, 07:21 AM
I'm a fagtomorph

karatekid
Dec-28-06, 08:15 AM
Yes you are.

mr popular
Dec-28-06, 10:13 AM
you don't eat enough to gain any muscle or strength. How do I know? You weigh 143lbs.

Honken
Dec-28-06, 01:15 PM
Mr. Popular, I hope that's a joke? His diet might be wrong but you can't really say that he ain't progressing because of his weight. It's not like he's peaked his max allready.

anfeyd
Dec-28-06, 01:24 PM
Mr. Popular, I hope that's a joke? His diet might be wrong but you can't really say that he ain't progressing because of his weight. It's not like he's peaked his max allready.

All of Mr. Popular's posts are jokes. He really is clueless.

mr popular
Dec-28-06, 05:23 PM
If he is only eating enough to maintain a weight of about 140lbs at 18 years of age, and that height, then his problem is not how he's working out (even tho it does suck but that is not really his fault as much) ... its his diet. Especially considering he has been there since August.

I will, however, say that he made no mention of what his actual GOALS were... but workout out like that one would made the educated guess that he wants to put on muscle.

With a diet in order you could put on muscle mass doing sheer calisthenics if you know how to challenge yourself and overload the muscles sufficiently.

but what do i know. i'm clueless apparently.

Lobo
Dec-28-06, 05:53 PM
The problem boils down to him not progressing in his poundages right? In which case, I'd guess you've possibly been doing a similar sort of routine for an extended period. Look into periodisation, and eat more (unless you're trying to remain 143lbs for whatever reason).

DarkXacreD
Dec-28-06, 07:11 PM
Actually, I've only been working with these weights since December 16th. The thing about being here (in Canada) since August was just me complaining that I couldn't really do anything but work out during my stay at my cousins' suburban house for the Xmas holidays.

About my weight:
I really expected it to keep going up as it had been since before I moved to Canada for university (freshman 15 and all), it was shooting up from 130 pretty damn fast and was about to go over 145. But since I've been here, it hasn't really gone anywhere past that. Moving from the campus residence relatively unhealthy 4/5 a day diet to a conventional suburban 3 a day diet didn't seem to change that either.

I don't really know why it strikes you guys as so phenomenal that I'm 140 lbs at 5'7''. It feels pretty normal to me. And it's not like I'm eating till I'm only half full or anything. I just dunno what the deal is with my weight; I don't really know how to control it, and I don't really intend to. I just check up on it to make sure I haven't suddenly gained or lost a lot of weight.

The only reason I might want to keep myself light would be for a good strength to weight ratio so that I can trick better. But then I can't say I know a lot about what's good and what's not in that respect, so...any advice is appreciated.

mr popular
Dec-28-06, 09:17 PM
we would need to know what your GOALS are to give you any advice on how to reach them... know what i mean? =)

DarkXacreD
Dec-28-06, 09:33 PM
lol sorry I didn't mention that this whole time. My main goal is essentially to increase the strength and size of my upper body. I think that's about it. Pretty much the conventional big chest and shoulders thing, but I want to be as strong as I am big.

anfeyd
Dec-29-06, 10:06 AM
If he is only eating enough to maintain a weight of about 140lbs at 18 years of age, and that height, then his problem is not how he's working out (even tho it does suck but that is not really his fault as much) ... its his diet. Especially considering he has been there since August.

December 16th. He's been workout for 2 weeks, and he has not seen much progesss on the shoulder press. You could say he is not eating much, but you can gain strength while maintaining weight, espically if you are new to weight lifting.



If you have been going hardcore on the benchpress and lat pulldowns, your shoulders are getting some secondary work, and can be partially fatigued (if they are done prior to your shoulder press). Also, you could be psychologically downgrading your performance because you dont want to go through the hassle of changing the weights (although this is a more far fetched idea).

anfeyd
Dec-29-06, 10:08 AM
lol sorry I didn't mention that this whole time. My main goal is essentially to increase the strength and size of my upper body. I think that's about it. Pretty much the conventional big chest and shoulders thing, but I want to be as strong as I am big.

I don't understand. You want to stay the same weight, but you want to increase the size of your upper body? You want to stay light for tricking, but you have no regard for lower body strength?

Steve
Dec-29-06, 10:51 AM
Why must you kids be such fucking idiots at this? Just cut and power lift if you want to be good at tricking (like your beloved Jujimufu and every gymnast on the face of the earth) or bulk and then cut to increase lean mass.

DarkXacreD
Dec-29-06, 11:08 AM
I don't understand. You want to stay the same weight, but you want to increase the size of your upper body? You want to stay light for tricking, but you have no regard for lower body strength?
-I don't really mind staying the same weight or not.
-My lower body strength is pretty good as it is; I'm looking to get my upper body to catch up with my lower body in terms of both strength and size

Why must you kids be such fucking idiots at this? Just cut and power lift if you want to be good at tricking (like your beloved Jujimufu and every gymnast on the face of the earth) or bulk and then cut to increase lean mass.

What if I want to be good at tricking AND get bigger? Should I do one before the other?

anfeyd
Dec-29-06, 12:24 PM
-My lower body strength is pretty good as it is


Dumbell squats and deadlifts 50 lbs -
Yes, without changing the weights. 25 lbs on each hand. I know it's pathetic but...fuck it that's not what I even want to work on right now and I can't get the barbell off the damn rack








I'm to lazy to incorporate white text.

DarkXacreD
Dec-29-06, 02:07 PM
My reply is quoted in the quote you used to try and burn me with, you fucking retard.

Okay, I'll say it again.

The weights. Not convenient to change at all.
The barbell. I can't get it off the bench rack.
The dumbells. I'm using them primarily for shoulder presses.
The goal. I don't feel the need or want to work on my legs so much right now as much as the upper body.

And besides, there is no squat rack and I don't want to kill myself.

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On a side note, because I am fucking pissed off right now:

What the fuck is "I'm too lazy to incoporate white text?" You're too fucking lazy to read, you boneheaded motherfucker. Why don't you try going to the library and try to see how many words you can retain in a minute?

compleks
Dec-29-06, 02:21 PM
This thread is getting better.

Steve
Dec-29-06, 02:31 PM
What I want to know is how someone who can't deadlift more than 50 pounds is still alive at 18 years old.

DarkXacreD
Dec-29-06, 02:38 PM
Oh, for fuck's sake.

Lobo
Dec-29-06, 02:40 PM
Why won't this barbell come off the bench rack exactly?

DarkXacreD
Dec-29-06, 02:50 PM
Because I'm too weak, primarily. But if I really, really wanted to take it off, I'd have to remove all the weights, move it to the ground, and put a lot more weights back on, and then after doing the deadlifts (and squats, if I can get it onto my shoulders somehow), I'd have to take off the weights and put it back on the bench rack.

Since I don't plan on working my lower body as much as my upper body, I don't see why I should bother with all that every time I want to do some deadlifts.

And also because I haven't found my limits in terms of squats and deadlifts yet (i.e. what my approximate 1RM is; the heaviest I've tried is about 120 lbs. and that wasn't too hard, but it left marks on my shoulders), I'd have to keep testing and changing the weights, which is a painful and uncertain process involving bolts and pliers.

What I want to know is how someone who can't deadlift more than 50 pounds is still alive at 18 years old.

I'm Asian.

Kibs
Dec-29-06, 03:41 PM
What I want to know is how someone who can't deadlift more than 50 pounds is still alive at 18 years old.
I'm Asian.

Best answer ever. But I doubt you really can't deadlift more than 50 lbs... right?

Deadlifting releases alot of growth hormones by the way, so you might want to start, even if you just want your upper body to grow.

anfeyd
Dec-29-06, 04:03 PM
The goal. I don't feel the need or want to work on my legs so much right now as much as the upper body.


And besides, there is no squat rack and I don't want to kill myself.

You can work your legs without a squat rack, there is a whole thread on it.


On a side note, because I am fucking pissed off right now:

What the fuck is "I'm too lazy to incoporate white text?" You're too fucking lazy to read, you boneheaded motherfucker. Why don't you try going to the library and try to see how many words you can retain in a minute?

It means that there is a limit on how little you can post. Most people make their text white, eliminating text from sight (unless you higlight the post).

The only reason I might want to keep myself light would be for a good strength to weight ratio so that I can trick better. But then I can't say I know a lot about what's good and what's not in that respect

Keeping your leg strength stagnant, while increasing upper body mass is an excellent route. On second thought, yea just do it.

DarkXacreD
Dec-29-06, 05:53 PM
Best answer ever. But I doubt you really can't deadlift more than 50 lbs... right?
I probably can, I just haven't tried deadlifting any more than 100 lbs becaused getting a deadlift together is so much work. Even more of a bother than squats.



Deadlifting releases alot of growth hormones by the way, so you might want to start, even if you just want your upper body to grow.

I did not know that. lol I'll definitely find more ways to deadlift.

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You can work your legs without a squat rack, there is a whole thread on it.
Don't worry, I do pistols when I'm feeling really diligent.



Keeping your leg strength stagnant, while increasing upper body mass is an excellent route. On second thought, yea just do it.
It helps me be more confident in using my whole body in my tricks instead of relying on the legs.

mr popular
Dec-29-06, 08:33 PM
haha man i hate asians

Steve
Dec-29-06, 08:47 PM
This can't be happening