influence of wieghtlifting on tricking

[jessster]

hi! I was thinking to start doing weightlifting but I have a question:

do you think that weight lifting can have a bad influence on tricking? because my fear is that my body weigth will increase and I will not be able to trick anymore......I always think that jujimufu and antoine are both bodybuilders and they are both able to trick very well ( expecially juji:juji: ) so maybe i'm wrong and weightlifting can even have a good influence on tricking........but I'm afraid that it could limitate it........I know it can sound stupid... it's just my fear.......
so, what do you think about this???

[acidhell1]

Maximal power/weight ratio has a VERY STRONG (to nearly perfect)correlation with vertical jump performances (CMJ or not) agility tests, and short acceleration. the correlation coefficient is (0.68-0.76).

So as i understand it, by weight training (squats, olympic lifting, deadlifts, and secondarily presses, chins) you just augment your potential (general strength & power from OL's) which will be ONLY REALIZED and converted to SPECIFIC STRENGTH by PRIORTIZING TRICKING and never weight training.

[jessster]

so you mean that it's important to give the priority to tricking and not to weight lifting right? for example tricks 3 times a week and weigth lifting 2 times a week?

[acidhell1]

Yes if you actually want to improve your tricking this should be your priority. (since there is a ton of skill involved). In the weight room, you improve some extremely important biomotor abilities (skills DO NOT transfer, abilities DO). That is POWER (dw/dt, olympic lifts,& plyometrics with contact times ~250-300ms), & STRENGTH (squatting, deadlifts, presses, chins). So u just AUGMENT your potential in the weight room and you realise it though your specific event. So someone who often has INFERIOR general strength levels (eg. 250lbs full squat) may trick better jump higher etc because of greater SPECIFIC strength. But if you actually compliment tricking with correct weight training YOUR PERFORMANCE WILL BE ENHANCED and eventually surpass those with inferior strength/weight levels.

[jessster]

ah..ok....and do you think that it's better to ask to the weightlifting instuctor what kind of exercises are better for my activity ( tricking) or i can just do any type of exercise I can do?

[acidhell1]

The best exercise that would affect your performance are:

1) full squats
2) olympic lifts and its variations
3) deadlifts
4) bench presses, chin ups (weighted eventually)

think quality not quantity. Olympic lifts are more techinical so.. i think you may need an actual coach. If you can't do OL's, you can replace them with box jumps (eventually increasing height of the box) and med ball throws.

[chicanerous]

Read my guide on weight-training for tricking to learn about what exercises will benefit you the most and even how you might want to train.

However, like said, if you want to be a better tricker, you have to give tricking priority. Weight-training can give you the potential to jump higher, spin and rotate faster, and manage the repetitive stresses associated with landing, but it can't teach you to perform the skills themselves.

[jessster]

... but it can't teach you to perform the skills themselves.


yes.....obviously....

ok thank you guys you answered my question! you are always helpful !

[chicanerous]

yes.....obviously....
:tongue:

I'm really just trying to warn against allocating too much time or effort into conditioning and sacrificing time and energy that could be used for tricking. :good: There's always some people who will get all gung-ho over the conditioning and then forget about the sport itself.

[Benji]

Guilty:agony:

But at least I've raised my squat by 50 pounds in the last few months. I suppose it's time to get tricking. :good:

[Snejk]

Sorry for sounding stupid but what are;

Plyometrics?
Deadlifts?
Olympic lifts?

[NightHunter]

Plyometrics (http://www.google.com)

Deadlifts (http://www.google.com)

O-lifts (http://www.google.com)

[Justin]

I believe weight lifting to be very beneficial to tricking. Lifting FTW!

[Fanya]

Plyometrics (http://www.google.com)

Deadlifts (http://www.google.com)

O-lifts (http://www.google.com)

Aw dang, why did I click the other two after I clicked the first one?

[acidhell1]

Squats, powercleans, snatces, bench presses, chins FTW.


Especially powercleans/snatches are directly related to VJ ability. They develop your rate of force development which is primarily a neural adaptation

[Gazapo]

Plyometrics (http://www.google.com)

Deadlifts (http://www.google.com)

O-lifts (http://www.google.com)

not that this is relevant to the thread, but that is quite possibly the best post I have seen.

[anfeyd]

not that this is relevant to the thread, but that is quite possibly the best post I have seen.

NightHunter is notorius for posting those great links.

[compleks]

A master of deception indeed.

[Snejk]

All I got on plyometrics on google was like, jump up and down from boxes? o_O Why do you need to be conditioned to start doing that?

[chicanerous]

All I got on plyometrics on google was like, jump up and down from boxes? o_O Why do you need to be conditioned to start doing that?
Conditioning does not just mean having participated regularly in weight-training. If you already trick, you are likely suitably conditioned to performed plyometrics -- after all, you already jump on a daily basis. However, you also may not see much if any gain from them for the same reason. So, the best course of action is to concentrate on building your overall strength as this, in conjunction with tricking, will lead to the greatest increases in vertical jump until you've achieved a level of conditioning where plyometrics become practical again.

[Ashtar]

I don't think weightlifting would negatively affect tricking as much as irresponsible bulking could.

Btw, how does bench pressing help tricking? I think I'm missing the pec-demanding exercise, possibly to stop from smashing the ground as hard when you fall on your face?

[anfeyd]

I think you'd be better off doing upper body plyometrics that help absorb the force of landing.

[NightHunter]

If anything, overhead lifts would have the most carryover to have a stable platform to cartwheel/roundoff/front/back hand spring. But it really doesn't impact it that much.