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Hey i'm putting myself a training programme together which to get me fitter, more flexible, better at tricks and kicks. Would the Air alert programme benefit me? I know that you hardly ever use standing vertical jumps in tricks but higher vertical would still be more useful i reckon. Any suggestions?
do a little jump 100 times
do a big jump 100 times
do a squatting jump 100 times
do a super big jump and then super little jump 100 times
next week increase the repetitions
there's air alert for you
traceur
Jan-04-07, 10:37 AM
Air Alert doesn't work.
Air Alert doesn't work.
k cheers
CanEHdian
Jan-04-07, 10:54 AM
We should have a dont post air alert topics sticky, unless of course your bashing it, then its ok
I don't know why it doesn't... i bought it ages ago, n never done it cos im lazy, but i did watch the DVD.
and i can't see whats bad about it, cos all it is are repetitions of different types of jumping, like every other day, n surely u jump just as much in a tricking session anyway.
Though if there's a proven thing to why it's bad or doesn't work, it wood be gd to know.
You don't know why it doesn't because you don't understand muscle physiology.
Heratat
Jan-04-07, 12:15 PM
Then perhaps you should enlighten us? A year or two ago there were many who would swear by the results they obtained with it.
Heratat
Yes I remember when everyone was living by whatever air alert said, I even tried it, but I didnt make it past the third day, simply because i was a bit boring.
anfeyd
Jan-04-07, 12:25 PM
Then perhaps you should enlighten us? A year or two ago there were many who would swear by the results they obtained with it.
Heratat
You can learn muscle physiology on the internet by searching for it yourself.
tracekillz
Jan-04-07, 12:29 PM
or you could be like me, and be born with all the knowlege of the world.
I did AA3 and it works... if you have a crappy vert you'll have good gains, but if you have a pretty good one, it's just a waste of time.
You don't know why it doesn't because you don't understand muscle physiology.
Care to explain it to me briefly then?
Luckly i found the magority of the exercises on you tube, and will just use them in my own work out routine, most of them i knew anyways.
Cicero
Jan-04-07, 01:29 PM
Then perhaps you should enlighten us? A year or two ago there were many who would swear by the results they obtained with it.
Heratat
You obtain good results at the cost of your legs.
Care to explain it to me briefly then?
Briefly? ok.
1) You wont be able to trick or even run when you do it because it "breaks" your legs muscles.. You'll be always sore.
2) I'm pretty confident you wont finish the whole thing, because it's very hard. (and by very hard I mean: Only those with years of plyometric training will finish it)
3) You will experience pains in your muscles because the program overtrains them. That means you will not make gains, but actually fuck yourself up.
4) You will fuck up your legs forever.
5) It's simply too much.
Basically it's overtraining times 100.
Of course, you could have searched the internet, and not have expected others to answer your question, which I hope you'll do from now on.
Skippy
Jan-04-07, 01:42 PM
air alert works
HOWEVER
99% of the people who do it end up coming away with fucked legs, probably permanently fucked too
those who don't get injured, receive massive gains
but its you risk...
Air alert trains under the assumption that because you are mostly training with body weight, you need to have many reps to be successful. It takes the concept of plyometrics and mixes it with PE-class calisthenic endurance. Your vertical may increase due to the fact that you are now jumping, but you will probably injure yourself in the process. If you simply do heavy weighted squats, deadlifts, and snatches, and plyometric jumping exercises with few reps, you will be training your jumping ability without harming your muscles. There are quadrupedal animals in Africa that can jump over 6 feet in the air, yet their legs are a fraction of the width of most humans'. How is this possible? Because their leg muscles contract more collectively, and faster. You can't train this by doing thousands of reps, you train it by contracting your muscles more collectively and faster, as in heavy lifts and plyometrics.
You obtain good results at the cost of your legs.
Briefly? ok.
1) You wont be able to trick or even run when you do it because it "breaks" your legs muscles.. You'll be always sore.
2) I'm pretty confident you wont finish the whole thing, because it's very hard. (and by very hard I mean: Only those with years of plyometric training will finish it)
3) You will experience pains in your muscles because the program overtrains them. That means you will not make gains, but actually fuck yourself up.
4) You will fuck up your legs forever.
5) It's simply too much.
Basically it's overtraining times 100.
Of course, you could have searched the internet, and not have expected others to answer your question, which I hope you'll do from now on.
I would have searched praps if it was my question origionally, but i gave my opinion on the thread, and someone dissagreed with me, but without giving any evidence on the subject, so i asked them to explain.
And seeing as u seem to be the expert on this, does it permently fuck up ur legs, or is it only while doing the program, and also who's to say who have to exactly what the program insists, could you not just do say half what they recomend, or less if you'd prefere, that way not overtraining.
Cicero
Jan-04-07, 01:50 PM
Actually Steve knows more than me. Read his post.
However you may permanently rupture a muscle. Injuries with AA have been very frequent... And I personally don't want to be crippled.
Skippy
Jan-04-07, 01:50 PM
noones telling you to do anything, so if you dont want to do all the program, then dont do all the program
damage will probably be permanent, if your older
i imagine if your between 20-30 damage may be permanent, but if your still in your teens (between 13-18) then you may JUST escape it, but i could see full healing being completed by the time your 25.
remember man, its your joints and muscles this messes up, cartilidge ain't something that heals overnight.
Or "praps" you could do your own research and alter the program so that it's not terrible, namely doing what I just recommended.
Barely any effort needs to be put forth to increase your vertical safely and effectively. Not only is Air Alert overkill, but it is scientifically unsound.
Air alert trains under the assumption that because you are mostly training with body weight, you need to have many reps to be successful. It takes the concept of plyometrics and mixes it with PE-class calisthenic endurance. Your vertical may increase due to the fact that you are now jumping, but you will probably injure yourself in the process. If you simply do heavy weighted squats, deadlifts, and snatches, and plyometric jumping exercises with few reps, you will be training your jumping ability without harming your muscles. There are quadrupedal animals in Africa that can jump over 6 feet in the air, yet their legs are a fraction of the width of most humans'. How is this possible? Because their leg muscles contract more collectively, and faster. You can't train this by doing thousands of reps, you train it by contracting your muscles more collectively and faster, as in heavy lifts and plyometrics.
I see, so it doesn't actually come down to the weight of the exercize... but more the sheer reps, but what ur saying is it can help, but cos ur doing so many reps it fucks ur legs, where as if u do leg exercizes with weights u increase ur vert, plus don't screw ur legs over. I guess that makes sence, and actually my mate wants to be a bodybuilder, and his vert has increased loads... tho that only really backs up the gains really.
Cicero
Jan-04-07, 01:53 PM
you do realize it's hundreds of reps by the end of AA... I mean about 500 REPETITIONS.
That is stupid.
Or "praps" you could do your own research and alter the program so that it's not terrible, namely doing what I just recommended.
Barely any effort needs to be put forth to increase your vertical safely and effectively. Not only is Air Alert overkill, but it is scientifically unsound.
Steve i didn't see what you were wrote cos i was typing at the time, but i have now, and maybe i will even alter the program sometime.. change the name, n put doesn't fuck up ur legs on the advert, lol.
Well sorry steve n cicero for not checking out on my own, but im not planning on actually doing the program anytime soon, i was just interested why peeps keep saying it's shit, and it seemed better to ask peeps that know. Thanks for the info really... n now im gonna have to see if my mate will sell me his old weights, lol.
Cicero
Jan-04-07, 02:06 PM
In my opinion strength training + plyometrics = WIN for vert!
In my opinion strength training + plyometrics = WIN for vert!
Yer, im gonna go for that... plus u also get the benifits of bigger muscles to show off to the ladies... or men depending which way u swing (n u never can be to sure on this forum)
Cicero
Jan-04-07, 02:38 PM
Strength training doesn't increase muscle size.
ughhhh, NiCoS read what I said about the gazelle (African quadruped) you fucking idiot.
NightHunter
Jan-04-07, 08:09 PM
Are we still arguing about this?
I refuse to read the thread. I see someposts by steve, so I'm sure it's been sufficiently explained.
I'll just agree with what I know has been said.
AA is physiologically unsound.
AA will fuck up your joints.
AA uses far too many reps.
Heavy deadlifts and squats will give you a massive vert.
Plyometrics are an advanced form of training, and should not be undertaken by beginners. You should have at LEAST a year of real lifting behind you before trying plyometrics.
When beginning plyometric training, the first thing you should work on is the decelerative portion of the exercises, learning how to properly absorb the force.
I hope this has all been covered.
ughhhh, NiCoS read what I said about the gazelle (African quadruped) you fucking idiot.
Fuck off calling me a fucking idiot.... im sorry i don't read about african animals in my spare time.
And i don't want to start an argument about strength training aswell now. But my friend (the one i said about the vert) he trains to increase size, but with it obviously increases his strength (my proof, he's able to lift more) so he gets bigger and more strength, plus he can jump fucking high.... and besides the post i wrote about that anyway was hardly a serious one.
NiCoS, it's best to desensitize yourself to everything you read on TT.
Yeah also desensitize yourself to your stupidity as well.
NiCoS, it's best to desensitize yourself to everything you read on TT.
Yer but when u want to have a conversation n ask a question on something that u want to know about, n then u get peeps that turn it into an arguement cos they know something u don't and think ur the dumbest fuck ever cos of it, it just pisses me off.
chicanerous
Jan-05-07, 11:10 AM
Yer but when u want to have a conversation n ask a question on something that u want to know about, n then u get peeps that turn it into an arguement cos they know something u don't and think ur the dumbest fuck ever cos of it, it just pisses me off.
It's your perception of your own stupidity that fuels your anger. Cast off your illusions and you will find peace.
It's your perception of your own stupidity that fuels your anger. Cast off your illusions and you will find peace.
So are u trying to say, if i admit im stupid and play along, then i will be peacefull?
No no no, you have to think of funnier insults.
No no no, you have to think of funnier insults.
Lol.... my aim hasn't been to insult peeps, tbh i wood rather that the argument had finished, but i just don't appreciate people calling me stupid.
Cicero
Jan-05-07, 12:37 PM
lol.... stupid
anfeyd
Jan-05-07, 03:45 PM
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
NightHunter
Jan-05-07, 05:17 PM
It's your perception of your own stupidity that fuels your anger. Cast off your illusions and you will find peace.
So are u trying to say, if i admit im stupid and play along, then i will be peacefull?
He's saying you only feel insulted because you harbor doubts about your own intelligence. If you were confident in your intelligence, then it wouldn't matter what others say.
I don't care what anyone says about me, with few exceptions(5 actually), because I am completely confident in my abilities. I know what I can and cannot do. I may work to change those things, but it doesn't matter to me if other people give a crap.
There is alot of hate about jump programs, personally they worked well for me, i did air alert and increase my vertical jump by 6 inches, my mate did strength shoes, he got 10 inches.
What doesnt work for some, works for others.
Make your own mind up :)
I had no ill effects from air alert, my joints are fine.
Tricking in itself can be very bad for joints and legiments, but no one says anything about that.
If you are not conditioned then yes you can potentially hurt yourself on just about anything, weights, plyo, tricking, gymnastics etc.
Also i have seen alot of confusion about air alert not being plyometrics, when it is.
NightHunter
Jan-05-07, 05:44 PM
There is alot of hate about jump programs, personally they worked well for me, i did air alert and increase my vertical jump by 6 inches, my mate did strength shoes, he got 10 inches.
What doesnt work for some, works for others.
Make your own mind up :)
I had no ill effects from air alert, my joints are fine.
Tricking in itself can be very bad for joints and legiments, but no one says anything about that.
If you are not conditioned then yes you can potentually hurt yourself on just about anything, weights, plyo, tricking, gymnastics etc.
Also i have seen alot of confusion about air alert not being plyometrics, when it is.
Unless you already have a 30"+ vert, 6 inches in 15 weeks isn't that good.
We do mention the fact that tricking is a high impact sport. Why compound it with a dangerous training program?
We also recommend a good strength training program to strengthen the connective tissues and muscles, which allows the body to absorb impacts better. Pre-hab work, such as Dogen's Titanium Ankles exercises, is also advocated by many on this site.
Moderation is another thing we like to encourage. By moderation I don't mean not putting in effort, rather, I mean not training too often. AA has you performing many more plyometric activities than you would likely do in an hour and a half tricking session, and pretty much back to back, without the lulls that occur in a tricking session.
The tricking equivilent of AA would be throwing backflips nonstop for 15-20 minutes, front flips for the next 15-20, aerials for another 15-20 minutes, followed by 15-20 minutes of 540s. The tricks aren't overly difficult, nor is itbad to throw a couple of each, just like the exercises in AA, it's the repetition that makes it so ludicrous.
I had a 30" vertical when i started, this was a long while ago.
AA starts off pretty easy, the same with strengths, just out of curiosity nighthunter, have you done any jump programs like AA or strengths ?
It just seems to me that people are spouting claims that they have heard/read from other people, without trying it themselfs.
NightHunter
Jan-05-07, 06:12 PM
I've never had a pressing need to train for vert. I'm not a trickster. I would train with heavy squats, deadlifts, and perhaps o-lifts(I really want to find a good coach before performing these, just to make sure I get the form down). I would supplement this strength program with brief phases of plyometrics(2-4 weeks).
I do not condemn AA because of any personal experience. I condemn it because it is stupid. Why jump low 500 times to teach myself to jump high once? Why perform what are essentially drop sets(moving from max jumps to hops to calf jumps), which are an almost exclusively physical training method for an activity that is governed more by CNS than by muscular size(the general goal of drop sets, which is not achieved here due to the insufficient load)?
Why work out for 2 hours when I can finish in 30 minutes?
anfeyd
Jan-05-07, 06:28 PM
o-lifts(I really want to find a good coach before performing these, just to make sure I get the form down)
Yea, I would like to do the same. If I don't get a coach I'm going to go broomstick-empty bar and film them to analyze.
AA is a plyometric workout, whilst i do agree, that towards the end of the training it does become a little excessive, i dont ever remember training longer then 40 minutes.
The idea is to build up to higher reps, you dont just start out at insane reps.
I think the problem is that people probably see how easy it is in the first weeks skip to the advanced sections and find they get fucked on.
Which is understandable, i mean it would be like a 60kg guy going to the gym and going hmm this 20kg bench is to easy, load me up to 110kg k thx.
Anyways, i think that what ever the deal is with AA if it is dangerous, then people need to know about it, but i have yet to see anything from the scientific community stating that its very bad.
Back to what i originally stated, make your own mind up about it.
Do the reasearch find the pros and cons, dont just read about the bad, read the good aswell :)
Thanks for the discussion nighthunter :)
NightHunter
Jan-05-07, 06:34 PM
Yea, I would like to do the same. If I don't get a coach I'm going to go broomstick-empty bar and film them to analyze.
Same here. Another good stepping stone is to get some circular wood cutouts the size of 45lb plates that you can put on the empty barbell so you can start it at the right height. They have these at my school, but the coach doesn't know o-lifts at all.
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