Atkins diet feedback

[CanEHdian]

OK so i know a guy who plans on going on the atkins diet. Now the first time he went on it, i knew jack shit about nutrition so i couldnt offer any advice. However now he intending on going on it again.

Now i know hes lying a lot about his current diet because he thinks hes moderatley healthy. roughly 5'11" 250 lb and not much of that is muscle.

Im trying to convince him to eat healthy regularly because i just dont like atkins, i mean i worked before and he lost weight, but i think anything other then what he was eating would have helped him do that.



Please post your opinions on atkins so i can better bash it so he will not cut carbs out of his diet for months on end.

PS: on a funny note he thinks that he can have abs by the end of the school year

[Steve]

Just tell him to shut the fuck up.

[Skippy]

Just tell him to shut the fuck up.

best advise there is

fat people should be left to get themselves out of their own weight, just going through school and what not and reading little bits of nutritional information of the back of food boxes when you're bored, along with common sense should be enough to know what foods to eat and what foods not to eat when it comes to losing weight

it doesnt take a genius to know that when you're losing weight, not to go over the RDA, and if you do, burn that shit off!

and it doesn't take a genius to know that when losing weight chocolate=BAD cod=GOOD

alot of people surely from Gym or PE classes in school should have knowledge of basic aerobic fitness =[

common sense + basic knowledge = OMGaWD I Rly CnA LOSEe we1GHT

[compleks]

I'm assuming that Atikins didn't work the first time? What's the difference this time?

[Gravityjay]

this time if he sticks with it he can get gall stones!

[Kitosho]

Atkins is good for normal people. Athletes can do well losing fat off of lowering to about 100-150g of carbs a day. I like the idea of carb reduction but Atkins is the absolute extreme of it.

[Sakanem]

There is no reliable data on long-term effects of the Atkins diet, but apparently Atkins himself was grossly overweight when he died. lol. Neglecting _any_ nutrient will result in short-term weight loss, but Atkins is just stupid. It kills your arteries.

[receive]

I'm assuming that Atikins didn't work the first time? What's the difference this time?

[it] worked before and he lost weight

I guess it worked for him last time, but then he started eating like a faggot again.

Atkins is just stupid. It kills your arteries.

*sigh* Evidence?

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OP - if your friend liked the Atkins Diet last time, and it worked for him, then let him use it again. Especially if he is quite sedentary. Just this time try to see that he doesn't fuck up and get fat again.

If he is athletic and trains (I hope he does), then I think periodic carb-ups are in order, like the Anabolic Diet etc, but being low-carb most of the time is, imo, the best way.

[rockmonkey]

atkins = loose

[compleks]

I guess it worked for him last time, but then he started eating like a faggot again.

Which means it didn't really work, otherwise he probably wouldn't have felt it necessary to eat like a 'faggot' again. Atkins isn't something that people commit to for life, it's too extreme. Healthy eating habits can be maintained alot easier.

[SydLePirate]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how long humans have been eating carbohydrates?

[Steve]

haha

[Lobo]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how long humans have been eating carbohydrates?
[22:40] LoboParamilitary: "Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how long humans have been eating carbohydrates?"
[22:40] LoboParamilitary: is that a serious question?
[22:40] Steven Hunt(2): no haha

[compleks]

haha, do you guys always discuss TT in your conversations?

[Steve]

Probably at least once in every conversation.

[notregan]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how long humans have been eating carbohydrates?

I dunno, when were plants invented?

[Steve]

Actually the real question is more like when did cell respiration begin

[alpha7158]

just because you are thin doesn't mean you are healthy. The Atkins diet basically rapes your heart to fuck. Also it is only intended to be a quick way to lose weight, it isn't intended to be permanent like most diets.

[receive]

It kills your arteries.

The Atkins diet basically rapes your heart to fuck.

can either of you substantiate those statements? You're as bad as the author of that MSN protein article :bad:

compleks - it depends how far he got with it. If he couldn't even stick to it for a few weeks, say - then it probably is no good for him (unless he can put more effort/willpower into it this time), since compliancy is an important factor in deciding how to eat. I don't agree that he needs to be able to live on Atkins forever, though, for it to be worth doing now. One can eat differently at different times, according to their goals. If he successfully lost a lot of fat when on Atkins last time, then it did work for him, and him going back to eaing like a faggot has nothing to do with the Atkins diet. He should have realised that no weight loss is permanent like that. He could have just increased his carbs, and his exercise volume, and continued to improve.

[CanEHdian]

OK i kind of forgot about the topic but im back now.

He went on the diet before and lost about 30 pound mostly because his diet before was just amazingly disgusting. He didnt do a whole lot of activity before, basicly hes like a skinny neard who stays inside all day not doing anything physically active only hes fat.

Hes a friend of mine so i actually care about his health and if hes going to screw himself over again. His family has a history of heart disease and such so treating his body like this with little exercise with the desire of loosing weight without putting forth effort is just stupid.

He intends to go on a light atkins esque diet throughout the year and when summer hits go all out with lots of meat and 0 carbs.

the most actuvity he does is when i practally force him to go biking with me. by the way, last time he went biking with me he threw up it was so hard

[receive]

if he's very sedentary, direct carbs should be completely out, anyway. Only from veg, and maybe dairy if he likes it. Certianly no grains unless he starts training.

You're the third person in this thread now to mention a link between Atkins-style eating, and heart disease. Can you explain it?

[CanEHdian]

Well im not stating a direct link between atkins and heart disease, but with all the cholesterol and shit he ate before even more meat is definitly going to raise cholesterol even more plus inactiveity. thats prety much asking for a heart attack.

the history of heart disease is just an added bonus to the alrady appauling heart condition.

[receive]

with all the cholesterol and shit he ate before even more meat is definitly going to raise cholesterol even more plus inactiveity. thats prety much asking for a heart attack.

the history of heart disease is just an added bonus to the alrady appauling heart condition.

That is what I'm asking you to provide evidence for. What link is there between dietry cholesterol (from the Atkins diet) and heart disease? Why is the Atkins diet potentially dangerous to your heart health?

[alpha7158]

can either of you substantiate those statements? You're as bad as the author of that MSN protein article :bad:

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Maybe I was wrong to state that the diet itself is bad, it's whe way people follow it that is bad... But that is only because the book can be misleading.

It's pritty obvious that if people go and eat nothing buy fried meats (Which is some people have been doing) that it is not going to be good for your health.

[receive]

Maybe I was wrong to state that the diet itself is bad, it's whe way people follow it that is bad... But that is only because the book can be misleading.

It's pritty obvious that if people go and eat nothing buy fried meats (Which is some people have been doing) that it is not going to be good for your health.

hmm, I think people mainly do it retardedly by NOT reading the book. And just knowing that it means "no carbs", they eat McDonald's burgers without the bun, "low-carb" junk products, etc, no plant matter.

I have one of Dr. Atkins' much earlier books, mostly about remedy of various diseases, not directly about fat loss. It describes the Atkins diet in the appendix, and its certainly not quite what most people assume. For UK people, check a charity shop for a guaranteed copy of the orange Atkins Diet book, for pennies.

OP - if you can get your friend into serious training, have him use some kind of cyclical low-carb diet like the Anabolic Diet (see the mammoth T-nation thread on that).

[SydLePirate]

[22:40] LoboParamilitary: "Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how long humans have been eating carbohydrates?"
[22:40] LoboParamilitary: is that a serious question?
[22:40] Steven Hunt(2): no haha

I am glad someone got my feeble attempt at sarcastic like humour :eh:


I am no expert on the matter, nor do I have anything to back my opinions up with, but I just can't see how taking away one of our oldest food sources can be a good thing...

[receive]

I am no expert on the matter, nor do I have anything to back my opinions up with, but I just can't see how taking away one of our oldest food sources can be a good thing...

You're implying that Atkins demands elimination of carbs from the diet. That is not true.

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It isn't enough to conclude that carbs have been part of the human diet for "a long time"... we need to think how much of the diet was made up by carbs, and from what sources?

Many people think of "grains" when one says carbs. If you have any evidence that the recent introduction of grains (which require processing technology) to human diets was a good thing for individual health (or is today), I'd like to see it.

TT seems to have little tolerance for "alternative" beliefs like those refuting the lipid hypothesis and high-carb diets, however much evidence there may be. All that it takes is a "ho ho ho" response from Steve, and another generation of new members are filled with bullshit.

[J.B. II]

HO HO HO!! BRANLE BRANLEEEEEH!!!!

[J.B. II]

what i have experienced about atkins diet is that it is bad. it antibranles the hair-like branles in your large insestine increasing the risk of colon cancer.

the diet i prefer concists mainly of branle.

[receive]

HO HO HO!! BRANLE BRANLEEEEEH!!!!

I'm convinced :good:

[CanEHdian]

so basicly the atkins diet is eating more meats and vegetables in place of foods that might be loaded full of carbohydrates that most people eat as snacks like chips and stuff.

so a healthy diet with few extra grams of fat in place of all the previously ingested carbs can help your body become more efficient at processing these fats as a useable source of energy decreasing body weight.

thats what i got out of this so far

[alpha7158]

you still need to eat some carbs. After all you need some carbs to burn fat.

[CanEHdian]

theres carbs in vegetables

there also more tastey when there in vegetables

[receive]

you still need to eat some carbs. After all you need some carbs to burn fat.

thats falacious, since one does not need to eat carbs to have carbs in the body, facilitating lipolysis.

[alpha7158]

thats falacious, since one does not need to eat carbs to have carbs in the body, facilitating lipolysis.

I'm just regergitating what I have read on multiple sources. Stop trying to attack everything that anyone says, you don't have to prove yourself to me.

[receive]

I'm just regergitating what I have read on multiple sources.

Try thinking about it before you do, in future.

Stop trying to attack everything that anyone says

I don't. I.. "attack", in this case, factually incorrect posts.

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[Sakanem]

I'm not entirely sure whether I've understood the concept of the Atkins diet to its fullest extent, however having reached the state of lipolysis and thus losing fat, the point will be reached where the dieting person reaches his goal - therefore, eating carbs with a low glycemic load and cutting low on fat from then on should actually suffice to control insulin levels and to remain at a farily consistant weight. Therefore the Atkins diet isn't meant to be a long lasting diet anyway, just a means to lose weight quickly (which it has shown to do), not to maintain it?
Is my line of thought correct, or total BS? Anyway, that's the way I understand the concept :eh:

[Rahf]

Ok, I may be completely wrong here but the normal layman thinks of Atkins diet as cutting out completely on carbs and focusing on protein/fat to lose weight effectively no?

This is what I have perceived by asking people and just generally reading in magazines/newspapers. Discuss.

[Sakanem]

Ok, I may be completely wrong here but the normal layman thinks of Atkins diet as cutting out completely on carbs and focusing on protein/fat to lose weight effectively no?

This is what I have perceived by asking people and just generally reading in magazines/newspapers. Discuss.

Yeah well basically the idea is that the body should reach a state in which it switches from glucose metabolism to fat metabolism (=lipolysis). This can only be accomplished if excess carbs are non-existant, i.e. the carb intake is reduced to a minimum.

The point in my above post is that after a certain time of Atkins dieting, the fat levels will be reduced to a minimum, so you'll have to change your diet again; this is why I reach the conclusion that the Atkins diet can never be the final way a person eats.

[receive]

Sakanem, there are people who like to eat permanently low-carb, theres even those who call it Atkins (for life)..

You won't find many athletes eating that way long-term, though. A lot of people on other forums like cyclical low-carb diets, and people such as Beradi promote that kind of approach. Carbs only during/post workout.

I think every "normal" sedentary person would be a lot healthier eating like the Atkins diet (forever) than eating like the normal 95%-carb BS.

Ideally, though - yes, they would become athletes themselves, and use a perma-low-carb approach only when needed. Infact, for atheletes I don't think it ever is really beneficial. VERY few athletes claim success on a permanently low-carb diet. See the Dragon Door forums for some. A cyclical low-carb diet is the way to go, imo, for all but the most glucose tolerant of individuals.

BTW when I say "athlete" I don't just mean professional/competitive athletes. We are are all "athletes" by the definition I am using here.

[alpha7158]

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Stop speaking like an cocky prick Recieve.

[receive]

Stop speaking like an cocky prick Recieve.

I'm speaking clearly and coherantly (or trying to), thats all. It increases the chances of the readers interpreting me correctly.

I recognise that so few members try to organise their posts towards ease of reading and understanding, that anyone that does so is seen as arrogant, cocky, even trolling etc.

[Sakanem]

Ideally, though - yes, they would become athletes themselves, and use a perma-low-carb approach only when needed. Infact, for atheletes I don't think it ever is really beneficial. VERY few athletes claim success on a permanently low-carb diet. See the Dragon Door forums for some. A cyclical low-carb diet is the way to go, imo, for all but the most glucose tolerant of individuals.

BTW when I say "athlete" I don't just mean professional/competitive athletes. We are are all "athletes" by the definition I am using here.

OK thanks that's what I wanted to know.