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yeah, its begining to get a pain, going round to peoples houses and not being able to eat anything (when at home i eat like a pig XD ). yeah and then i mean i want to get more protine into my diet. any ideas on what to do ?
shengoikee
Jan-09-07, 11:19 AM
eat meat :good:
haha, nah sorry mate not an option.
Grenkutzu
Jan-09-07, 11:20 AM
You're a vegetarian guy?! That's fucking gay AND stupid!
Andy Longcat
Jan-09-07, 11:23 AM
I would say...
other than eat meat... whey?
guys, is veggy better than being a vegan ?
abdominable
Jan-09-07, 11:30 AM
You need to eat some animals. It's good for you.
TKD Tim
Jan-09-07, 11:36 AM
Genesis 9:3: Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
Stupid atheists. God knows what he's talking about.
Andy Longcat
Jan-09-07, 11:37 AM
Yes.
vegetarians usually look healthier than any fucking vegans I've seen (trust me, I play capoeira, and I see a lot of hippy vegans -_-)
lol, yeah my dads fat (also a vegan)
Ok a simple question just to see what kind of vegetarian you are:
Do you eat eggs? Drink milk? Do you consume products that come from the animal kingdom other than the actual animals that is?
compleks
Jan-09-07, 12:31 PM
No,he.is.Vegan...
My.space.bar.is.broken.....fuck.
Go.vegetarian,you.wont.regret.it.
mike111590
Jan-09-07, 12:34 PM
More Beans/nuts
also buy a portein mix from local vitamin store they make sum pretty good tasting ones. :wink:
brandon904
Jan-09-07, 12:51 PM
vegetarianism/veganism is extremely retarded to me. there is just so many things that are extremely important to a diet that you cannot get on that "diet."
Phil D
Jan-09-07, 01:20 PM
go vegetarian so then you can eat EGGS and FISH, but why not go all the way and become normal? we are supposed to eat animals, its the way it is
TartanPajamas
Jan-09-07, 01:29 PM
yeah, its begining to get a pain, going round to peoples houses and not being able to eat anything (when at home i eat like a pig XD ). yeah and then i mean i want to get more protine into my diet. any ideas on what to do ?
At the very least, eat tigers or something. Com'on, they eat us don't they?
if i wanted to be normal lol i would play foot ball and not trick and i would like boring chav music cause thats what "normal" seems to be lol.
Veganism really really stinks yeah. Vegetarian is ok, for a woman or someone who doesn't really work out. But vegan... Yeech!
Why is eating a normal, well-rounded diet not an option?
compleks
Jan-09-07, 02:50 PM
Hmm, what are your reasons for being vegan/vegetarian? Just curious.
Compleks I guess they just become fags 'coz they don't like eating animals espcailly after seeing how they kill them and stuff.
vegetarian are better than vegans coz they can still eat eggs and some even have fish. I could never live without meat.
*bites spicey chicken leg.... yum*
notregan
Jan-09-07, 03:37 PM
Have a serving each of low-fat yogurt & milk, eat a few eggs and have a big pot of beans already cooked that you can snack on with vegetables whenever you want to eat but can't find anything. Have a bowl of grains (oatmeal, quinoa, grits, high protein cereal). And have a handful of nuts and seeds everyday. Eat a lot of vegetables, they have protein and that protein does add up at the end of the day, every bit counts.
Hey guys, vegetarians don't eat flesh, not even fish.
Gazapo
Jan-09-07, 03:42 PM
Hmm, what are your reasons for being vegan/vegetarian? Just curious.
Exactly what i was thinking!
Vormav
Jan-09-07, 03:55 PM
there is just so many things that are extremely important to a diet that you cannot get on that "diet."
Evidence?
Tossman
Jan-09-07, 04:06 PM
normally i would just yell at this kid for being vegan till my voice went, but....
i figured since his dad is vegan too its probably a family thing. hippy family?
so if he cant eat meat and not get disowned by his dad, then yeah dude, go vege.
I don't get how some people who are vegetarian or vegan are fat.
It just doesn't make sense.
Vormav
Jan-09-07, 04:27 PM
I don't get how some people who are vegetarian or vegan are fat.
It just doesn't make sense.
Just because you don't eat animal products doesn't mean you are necessarily healthy.
Conversely, just because you don't eat animal products doesn't mean you aren't healthy.
Anyone can eat health-consciously.
Anyone can eat like crap.
notregan
Jan-09-07, 04:40 PM
I don't get how some people who are vegetarian or vegan are fat.
It just doesn't make sense.
Cake and french fries are vegetarian.
cepopeye
Jan-09-07, 04:42 PM
Hmm, what are your reasons for being vegan/vegetarian? Just curious.
esp vegan. The vegan diet is a nutritional abomination. The truth is that vege is pretty healthy, but if you want any muscles on a vegetarian diet you gtta seriously whey it up
Ok a simple question just to see what kind of vegetarian you are:
Do you eat eggs? Drink milk? Do you consume products that come from the animal kingdom other than the actual animals that is?
Yes exactly haha, how could you overlook eggs and dairy? These are the obvious advantages over a vegan diet.
let's sum it up:
being a vegan sucks. And on top it isn't even healthy.
Jujimufu
Jan-09-07, 05:05 PM
if i wanted to be normal lol i would play foot ball and not trick and i would like boring chav music cause thats what "normal" seems to be lol.
You're doing this to be different?
Vormav
Jan-09-07, 05:15 PM
Does anyone actually have any scientific research to show that vegans or vegetarians as a whole are less healthy than omnivores?
Because all I see written is unsupported namecalling.
compleks
Jan-09-07, 05:19 PM
I like the vegetarians who say shit like,
"Oh, I'm vegetarian, but I still eat *_____* occassionally"
*_____* - Insert dead animal/fish product.
anerky
Jan-09-07, 05:20 PM
You're doing this to be different?
All he said was that he didn't care to be normal. My eccentric brother collects all the old models of computers, he doesn't do it simply to be different, he's just an all around quirky guy.
compleks
Jan-09-07, 05:20 PM
Oh, and if you just want to be different, try drinking bleach.
ho ho ho, just kidding.
chicanerous
Jan-09-07, 05:25 PM
Oh, and if you just want to be different, try drinking bleach.
ho ho ho, just kidding.
Sigged.
i wonder if americans know what a chav is
Most probably do not haha
a? you don't know do ya. your lucky are country full of them. bastards
Does anyone actually have any scientific research to show that vegans or vegetarians as a whole are less healthy than omnivores?
Because all I see written is unsupported namecalling.
It's true. Every time I see someone here mention the fact that they're vegetarian or vegan or whatever I know exactly what the rest of the thread will consist of. It's uncalled for unless they're specifying that they're doing it for health reasons, in which case flame away.
Grenkutzu
Jan-09-07, 05:43 PM
Yeah, it's excusable if the person has health problems, or can't consume meat/dairy. Although if it's to be "nice to nature" or some ridiculous other bullshit, it's almost required to be pissed at them.
anerky
Jan-09-07, 05:44 PM
a? you don't know do ya. your lucky are country full of them. bastards
It's not really a secret. All that someone would have to do is be curious, take the time to google search for "chav" and be barraged with information
Although if it's to be "nice to nature" or some ridiculous other bullshit, it's almost required to be pissed at them.
Nope. Ethical concerns are a legitimate reason.
It's not really a secret. All that someone would have to do is be curious, take the time to google search for "chav" and be barraged with information
No-one cares about chavs. The media are making into this subculture bullshit, when really it's just a euphanism for lower class scum - which every culture has anyway.
Jujimufu
Jan-09-07, 06:19 PM
Chav just looks like a style of plaid baseball cap?
Does anyone actually have any scientific research to show that vegans or vegetarians as a whole are less healthy than omnivores?
Because all I see written is unsupported namecalling.
Various studies, f.e. from the university of Hannover(germany), suggest that vegans are very likely to lack iron, zinc, copper and vitamin B12.
The german association for nutrition(an association that supports, analyses and publishes scientific research of nutritional science) principally discourages from a strictly vegan nutrition.
Vormav
Jan-09-07, 06:49 PM
Various studies, f.e. from the university of Hannover(germany), suggest that vegans are very likely to lack iron, zinc, copper and vitamin B12.
The german association for nutrition(an association that supports, analyzes and publishes scientific research of nutritional science) principally discourages from a strictly vegan nutrition.
Can you provide some titles of specific articles or links (I have access to most scholarly, peer-reviewed journals through my university)? I'm not being argumentative, I just want to be able to see for myself. :smile:
Can you provide some titles of specific articles or links (I have access to most scholarly, peer-reviewed journals through my university)? I'm not being argumentative, I just want to be able to see for myself. :smile:
Can you likewise provide us with articles supporting the existence of a vegan lifestyle that has the potential to be as healthy or healthier than an omnivorous lifestyle?
compleks
Jan-09-07, 08:16 PM
Touche'
Vormav
Jan-09-07, 08:48 PM
Can you likewise provide us with articles supporting the existence of a vegan lifestyle that has the potential to be as healthy or healthier than an omnivorous lifestyle?
Sure. Health effects of vegetarianism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Health_effects)
Exerpt:
"A 1999 metastudy compared six major studies from western countries. The study found that the mortality ratio was the lowest in fish eaters (0.82) followed by vegetarians (0.84) and occasional meat eaters (0.84) and which was then followed by regular meat eaters (1.0). In "Mortality in British vegetarians", it was concluded that "British vegetarians have low mortality compared with the general population. Their death rates are similar to those of comparable non-vegetarians, suggesting that much of this benefit may be attributed to non-dietary lifestyle factors such as a low prevalence of smoking and a generally high socio-economic status, or to aspects of the diet other than the avoidance of meat and fish."
Bolded for emphasis. There is lots more information at the link.
Also, this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian_nutrition) is quite informative.
Exerpt:
"Evidence suggests that vegetarians are generally healthier and live longer than non-vegetarians. They have lower rates of coronary heart disease, obesity, hypertension, type 2 diabetes and some forms of cancer. Vegetarian diets tend to be rich in carbohydrates, omega-6 fatty acids, dietary fibre, carotenoids, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin E, potassium and magnesium and low in saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein.
However, vegetarian diets can also be relatively low in protein, iron, zinc, vitamin B12, calcium and other nutrients. Nonetheless, well-planned vegetarian and vegan diets can meet all these nutrient requirements and are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence."
Bolded for emphasis. Once again, lots more information at the link.
What's my point? If you read through the articles listed above, you'll likely conclude that: vegetarianism is at best healthier than the average omnivorous diet, and at worst no less healthy than the average omnivorous diet.
Are there challenges? Sure. As described in the articles, vegetarians can be potentially prone to various deficiencies, but wise food choices can eliminate this risk.
*For the record I am not a vegetarian, but I have experimented with vegetarianism (9 months) and veganism (3 months) to see what it was like.
:smile:
compleks
Jan-09-07, 09:01 PM
Touche'
compleks
Jan-09-07, 09:05 PM
But in reality it's more likely that the fact someone has chosen to be a vegetarian means that they are probably already somewhat health conscience. Therefore, comparing them to the average omnivore, who likely gets the majority of their meat between 2 buns (no sexual innuendo intended), is hardly a fair comparison.
The point here. If you want to be healthier than the average shit eater, then sure, cut out the meat. If you want to be truly healthy, then try learning a thing or two about proper nutrition.
*I have nothing against vegetarians/vegans, unless they think what they are doing is for health benefits.
Sure. Health effects of vegetarianism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Health_effects)
Exerpt:
"A 1999 metastudy compared six major studies from western countries. The study found that the mortality ratio was the lowest in fish eaters (0.82) followed by vegetarians (0.84) and occasional meat eaters (0.84) and which was then followed by regular meat eaters (1.0). In "Mortality in British vegetarians", it was concluded that "British vegetarians have low mortality compared with the general population. Their death rates are similar to those of comparable non-vegetarians, suggesting that much of this benefit may be attributed to non-dietary lifestyle factors such as a low prevalence of smoking and a generally high socio-economic status, or to aspects of the diet other than the avoidance of meat and fish."
Bolded for emphasis. There is lots more information at the link.
Also, this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian_nutrition) is quite informative.
Exerpt:
"Evidence suggests that vegetarians are generally healthier and live longer than non-vegetarians. They have lower rates of coronary heart disease, obesity, hypertension, type 2 diabetes and some forms of cancer. Vegetarian diets tend to be rich in carbohydrates, omega-6 fatty acids, dietary fibre, carotenoids, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin E, potassium and magnesium and low in saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein.
However, vegetarian diets can also be relatively low in protein, iron, zinc, vitamin B12, calcium and other nutrients. Nonetheless, well-planned vegetarian and vegan diets can meet all these nutrient requirements and are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence."
Bolded for emphasis. Once again, lots more information at the link.
What's my point? If you read through the articles listed above, you'll likely conclude that: vegetarianism is at best healthier than the average omnivorous diet, and at worst no less healthy than the average omnivorous diet.
Are there challenges? Sure. As described in the articles, vegetarians can be potentially prone to various deficiencies, but wise food choices can eliminate this risk.
*For the record I am not a vegetarian, but I have experimented with vegetarianism (9 months) and veganism (3 months) to see what it was like.
:smile:
What we now need to do is find the optimal diet plan that will result in not only high levels of "carbohydrates, omega-6 fatty acids, dietary fibre, carotenoids, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin E, potassium and magnesium", but also high levels of "protein, iron, zinc, vitamin B12, calcium and other nutrients", all the while keeping saturated fat and ldl cholesterol levels in check.
DeeJay
Jan-09-07, 09:40 PM
Hey I was trying to hit on a vegetarian sometime last week because I thought she looked decent and would be a good root. My friend forced me to leave though but she bought be a bottle of water.
*I have nothing against vegetarians/vegans, unless they think what they are doing is for health benefits.
Ditto.
Vormav
Jan-09-07, 10:15 PM
What we now need to do is find the optimal diet plan that will result in not only high levels of "carbohydrates, omega-6 fatty acids, dietary fibre, carotenoids, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin E, potassium and magnesium", but also high levels of "protein, iron, zinc, vitamin B12, calcium and other nutrients", all the while keeping saturated fat and ldl cholesterol levels in check.
Protein (http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=92#foodsources)
Iron (http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=70#foodsources)
Zinc (http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=115#foodsources)
B12 (http://www.silksoymilk.com/Products/SilkSoymilkRefrigerated.aspx) click on nutritional information - a single serving provides 70% of RDA, 40% RDA for calcium and vitamin D too
Calcium (http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=45#foodsources)
Omega 3s (http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=84#foodsources)
Or I imagine you could just take a multivitamin.
Does anyone actually have any scientific research to show that vegans or vegetarians as a whole are less healthy than omnivores?
Because all I see written is unsupported namecalling.
I don't have any scientific research translated to english that I can link you to. But I'd say the reason for all the namecalling is because he's writing about veganism/vegetarianism on a forum that consists mostly of people that eat specifically for muscle/strength gains and thus they probably devour meat in large quantities.
I respect vegetarians that stick to their guns and don't occasionally eat fish or chicken thinking that it is still ok. I could never become one, I like meat way to much for that.
What I don't really get are vegans. Vegans don't eat or drink any form of product that derives from the animal kingdom. They most likely have problems getting sufficient minerals for their daily needs (such as posted above. Iron in particular for the ladies).
Plus the fact that at one point you will have gone full circle on different ways to prepare your salad. <-- Pun intended
Vegans are also the ones who are much more likely to start an argument over meat. Vegetarians in general don't have a big problem with people eating meat in their vicinity.
To the original poster: Try out vegetarianism and see what you think. Just remember to supplement yourself with the minerals and nutrients you are likely to be deficient in.
Discuss please!
But in reality it's more likely that the fact someone has chosen to be a vegetarian means that they are probably already somewhat health conscience. Therefore, comparing them to the average omnivore, who likely gets the majority of their meat between 2 buns (no sexual innuendo intended), is hardly a fair comparison.
The point here. If you want to be healthier than the average shit eater, then sure, cut out the meat. If you want to be truly healthy, then try learning a thing or two about proper nutrition.
*I have nothing against vegetarians/vegans, unless they think what they are doing is for health benefits.
Nothing to add here.
Vormav:
http://www.vegetarierbund.de/gesundheit/Die_Deutsche_Vegan_Studie.pdf
It's in german, so it won't be of much help for you.
It also has pretty much the same point of view about compleks's first paragraph.
I have to add that higher than normal homocystein values were discovered, which encourages cardio-vascular diseases.
If you want to live as a vegan, do it. But it's just as compleks said. To do it only for health reasons is moot.
Hey I was trying to hit on a vegetarian sometime last week because I thought she looked decent and would be a good root. My friend forced me to leave though but she bought be a bottle of water.
Cool story, Hansel!
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