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sesshoumaru
Jan-16-07, 03:50 PM
Once you acquire a decent Butterfly Twist, it's only a matter of time before you attempt using it in combinations. As a single technique, the Btwist can be hard to manage! It's a technique that always takes some amount of concentration, even when it becomes easy for you to perform...this is because the quality of the Btwist is what comes into effect.

Maintaining good quality in the Btwist becomes hard, because the entrance into the Btwist and the exit out of the Btwist is completely fixed. When you think about it, there are many ways to set up into a Corkscrew or Gainer...but only one way to get into Btwist, and that's through the "dip".

Alot of times, when you get around to doing different tricks out of Btwist, you Btwist starts to change to accomodate the upcoming trick...


Like when you plan to do a cheat set-up trick from Btwist, you kinda want to lean back a little more when exiting the Btwist. This helps you "block" into the ground and get a little more lift.


Or when you plan to swing out of Btwist, you'll pick your chest up as you come out of the Btwist early and drop your arms down by your hips. This helps you prepare your footing for the swingthru, and get's your arms and legs in position to swing upwards.

Regardless of which trick you use out of Btwist, when you pick a favorite and start to do it alot, you'll tend to pick up a bad habit. You might plan to do a "pop" trick out of Btwist, but since you're so used to doing a "swingthru" outta Btwist, your muscle memory has taken control...

The moral is to drill different tricks out of Btwist constantly, so that you don't develop bad habits.

shengoikee
Jan-16-07, 03:52 PM
excellent :good:

i really gotta combo my twists haha

Kyukodo Gaz
Jan-16-07, 04:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh8Qh4C89LY

Okay, I think the btwist looks ok at the end of a combo, but I can only kick (hook/crescent/wheel) out of it and into another trick. Basically I need a filler. I think this is because of the landing, I'm completely horizontal and can't swingthru (really sore point for me!!!) so any gainers are out. Any suggestions for common miss leg techniques..?

Source
Jan-16-07, 06:35 PM
Missleg flagella btwist!! hahaha trick names are fun...

Matt K
Jan-16-07, 06:36 PM
Maybe a missleg illusion twist flagellaish style.

Workerz
Jan-16-07, 10:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh8Qh4C89LY

Okay, I think the btwist looks ok at the end of a combo, but I can only kick (hook/crescent/wheel) out of it and into another trick. Basically I need a filler. I think this is because of the landing, I'm completely horizontal and can't swingthru (really sore point for me!!!) so any gainers are out. Any suggestions for common miss leg techniques..?

Dang nice combo, started doing this combo a while back but I thought it was ugly so I stopped but you just made it look pretty and made me want to try it again.

Swartz
Jan-17-07, 12:24 AM
Haha yes Btwist can change drastically over time or right away. I had this move down pat for at least a couple years. Didn't think it was even possible for me to loss it but I did. It's still not consistent like it used to be and certainly not as clean. I miss being able to do hypers but it's gonna take some mad drilling to get it back to then.

Just thought I'd show my agreement with what you said. It really requires some focus even when you have it down. Bad habits with this move are especially hard to break.

simon
Jan-17-07, 10:57 AM
i can't b-twist.

Alexx
Jan-17-07, 12:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh8Qh4C89LY

Okay, I think the btwist looks ok at the end of a combo, but I can only kick (hook/crescent/wheel) out of it and into another trick. Basically I need a filler. I think this is because of the landing, I'm completely horizontal and can't swingthru (really sore point for me!!!) so any gainers are out. Any suggestions for common miss leg techniques..?

you wanna kick out of it...

i'm just thinking... Btwist>Bkick>scoot (that nice bkick scoot transition MEM do)> pop 720

Btwist>pop360>walkout webster...

Kyukodo Gaz
Jan-17-07, 12:20 PM
you wanna kick out of it...

i'm just thinking... Btwist>Bkick>scoot (that nice bkick scoot transition MEM do)> pop 720

Btwist>pop360>walkout webster...



I'm liking both of them. I like the straight into an illusion twist aswell, unfortunately I'm only just getting the hang of that move so can't combo it yet. Incidentally, i've seen three people in person teach me that move completely wrong (bastards), thank god for hans wikkeling.

Korea's Greatest
Jan-17-07, 12:30 PM
Haha yes Btwist can change drastically over time or right away. I had this move down pat for at least a couple years. Didn't think it was even possible for me to loss it but I did. It's still not consistent like it used to be and certainly not as clean. I miss being able to do hypers but it's gonna take some mad drilling to get it back to then.

Just thought I'd show my agreement with what you said. It really requires some focus even when you have it down. Bad habits with this move are especially hard to break.


seriously, btwists cant be taken for granted...lost them and now i gotta drill them back hopefully without any bad habits.

ZoVEGA
Jan-17-07, 11:19 PM
Once again thanx Sessh, This stuff are things I shall address....but uhmerrahh.....I need you to check out my post about b twist and tell me what to do maybe to fix it, thats for everyone for that matter.

WildArm
Jan-17-07, 11:35 PM
sess you are writing this about 3 months to late for me.