aerial twist

[the hebrew hamme]

i finally got a solid aerial and i can almost do axe2aerial so i started to try aerial twists. I suck. I aerial off of my left leg kicking my right one back and when i do it i start my normal aerial and then half way through i twist and bring my legs together and sometimes land. My main question is which way am i supposed to twist? I watched Matt R's sampler in slomo and saw that he drops his right shoulder to rotate and i do it the other way and much later in my "aerial twist." Does the direction i twist matter that much, especially if i want to get double AT, or is Matt R's technique far superior and i am the product of incest?

[Flowers]

I'm having similar problems. Near the end of the video I attempt a couple.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2068759819805624656&hl=en

[Source]

I'm going to say what sheep always tells people: Do a btwist and try to headbutt the ground. There it is. From that you can infer that aerial twist is basically an inverted btwist.

[Skilzat85X]

Source is right on. A-twist is an inverted b-twist, end of story. Approaching it like one helps a lot.

[Reza]

i disagree with you guys.
you should NOT try to headbutt the ground, and you should NOT see it as an inverted btwist(if anything, its a webster halftwist).

[dbubba]

as with every (i think) jump, you do the twist or flip at the highest point. So get lots of height with your aerial, and as you reach the top, where you should be upside down, make your twist.

[JCslug]

you have to really punch off of your first leg and make a big effort to do so. that is the secret. that is the only thing that helped me once i started trying them.

[JiayoJames]

Yeah I really need help with this too because I can't aerial yet and when I try I just do a cartwheel help PLZ!!111

[Workerz]

I'm going to say what sheep always tells people: Do a btwist and try to headbutt the ground. There it is. From that you can infer that aerial twist is basically an inverted btwist.

That's basically it so twist the same way you do for a btwist, if your taking off with your left leg in front drop your right shoulder and same for the other side.

[the hebrew hamme]

can you guys post some videos of this ground headbutting technique specifically? I don't need a tutorial but maybe a video showing the progression between btwist and atwist to see what i need to change. i am gonna try that headbutt thing on friday when i go back to the gym. its too damn cold to trick outside.

[Reza]

can you guys post some videos of this ground headbutting technique specifically? I don't need a tutorial but maybe a video showing the progression between btwist and atwist to see what i need to change. i am gonna try that headbutt thing on friday when i go back to the gym. its too damn cold to trick outside.

wtf man, i just told you not to headbutt the ground OR execute it like an inverted btwist. atwist is about keeping your torso up and kicking the backleg straight back behind you and high. once you lift off the ground wrap in for the 180 spin.

either do your aerial and throw a halftwist in the air or do a webster without tucking and turn over. DONT dip your head down past your waist or try to do an inverted btwist.

examples:
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8868/atwistwushu7ku.gif
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6159/atwist4iy.gif

[Skilzat85X]

i disagree with you guys.
you should NOT try to headbutt the ground, and you should NOT see it as an inverted btwist(if anything, its a webster halftwist).

YOU'RE WRONG.

I don't think you realize that the second gif you posted is an inverted b-twist. All of the mechanics are the same as a b-twist, it's just that you're not lifting your upper body up.

That Wushu guy is just crazy haha.

[Jon P]

Yes, a proper aerial twist should be performed as an aerial gyro...not an inverted btwist.

Unless you are gonna be doing axe2aerialtwists, hyperswipes...but i wouldnt worry about that yet haha.

Juji and Jan will back me up on this one.

[Skilzat85X]

Blah blah blah, I suppose. The second gif he posted isn't really an "aerial gyro". The first one definitely is.

But really, I find approaching an a-twist from a b-twist set up helps. And I can get perfectly inverted.

Besides, you seem to "gyro" an aerial in the same way you "gyro" a b-kick for a b-twist. There is a slight stall/pause after takeoff before the initial twist.

But there's lots of different styles of b-twists, so obviously some are going to look different. Who knows, a-twists like the second gif he showed look more "twisty" too me. I like them. If it's perfectly inverted, and stalled, what else would we call it?

My a-twists are just like that gif that I keep mentioning.

Really if you're doing the b-twist the RIGHT way, and you invert it the RIGHT way, you can make a reasonable looking a-twist.
http://www.club540.com/tricktionary/aerial_twist.mpg
Tada!

[Jon P]

Well I understand what you are saying because thats how i learned it haha. But a proper aerial twist should look exactly like an aerial up to the halfway point then you twist 180 on the way down. Just wait for jujis new sampler.

[Skilzat85X]

Who the heck isn't waiting for it? :smile:

Yea I understand. But really, the dude wants to learn to a-twist. Rather than saying "DO THIS THIS AND THIS AND DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME", it might be beneficial for him to build up to it, as we did. It helps yadigg.

[Reza]

Yes, a proper aerial twist should be performed as an aerial gyro...not an inverted btwist.

Unless you are gonna be doing axe2aerialtwists, hyperswipes...but i wouldnt worry about that yet haha.

Juji and Jan will back me up on this one.

finally someone that understands.

[Jon P]

Who the heck isn't waiting for it? :smile:

Yea I understand. But really, the dude wants to learn to a-twist. Rather than saying "DO THIS THIS AND THIS AND DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME", it might be beneficial for him to build up to it, as we did. It helps yadigg.

why not learn it right from the start. It might be harder but it will only lead to having cleaner moves.
Take John Fellas for example. He has tried a ton of shit and crashed a ton of shit...but he does everything with perfect technique and doesnt sacrifice technique to land a move...and when he does land a move, its clean as hell.

[Duke_Hoff]

I use to think about this a lot, and I started out just throwing the back leg up as hard as possible and trying to do a butterfly twist upside down. I now realize that getting an extremely nice aerial will make it easy to aerial twist if you just learn to adjust the arm positioning when you go for the spin during the aerial.

There is no completely correct way to learn it, I'm sure there are people who can manage nice aerial twists with the throw your head down like a missile method, though the nicest ones I've seen, including the wushu dude in the red up there, come from floaty aerials and such.

[dbubba]

yeah. a good high aerial ----> good high aerial twist. not trying to headbutt the ground

[the hebrew hamme]

wow the way i do my atwist at the gym is the same as that wushu guy in the red does his but his is like infinitly better. i'll see if i can post a video of mine on saturday.

[the hebrew hamme]

ok i did some last night and i am doing them EXACTLY the same way as that wushu guy does. i almost landed one but i had to put my hands down which pissed me off. i am gonna try some more today with a camera so look out for that.