Sick Samplers Get Less Responses than Shitty Vids.

[Tony Nguyen]

this is obsolutely true and it shouldnt be this way. some shitty parkour thread has more views and responses than my team sampler. this is obviously because people on this forum like to hate and bash, to make them selves feel or look better. People have to start somewhere and to make fun of them means u r jelous of them. They are a subconcious threat to u because instead of helpin them u bash on them or talk or think shit. y not just try to help them it will make them better and it will better yourself as well ( this is truely being the shit, or a pimp). if u truely love trickin thats the way u would react towards noobs. I recently noticed that my team has gotten bigger because we helped the n00bs out and they are learnin fast bcause we help them, if they deserve the respect ( dont get me wrong some noobs are dicks too)

but anyways due to the negativity by the ones that do know tricks, other noobs do not ask for help. The people that are not afraid of negative critisism are the ones that will be the best because they will not be scared to ask for tips or help from others.

if we live positive with understandin of the negative we can all exceed ourselves beyond our dreams.



-Tony Surphman

here u can read my blog which speaks of this not in only trick terms but in life too.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=9867493

[TKDtrickster]

sooo true

[trickster914]

def man

[Yuen Rob]

Ooooooooh, what's wrong Tony, you got some sand in your vagina?

Ah ha ha! Sorry dude, just kidding. You're right. I think shitty vids are always gonna get more views and replies because people generally won't take the time and effort to reply with:

"Nice work"

But they always want to flame people with:

"Oh my God! You suck! Why don't you go step in front of a speeding train you fucking retard!!!"

I know that's what I do.

[Skilzat85X]

Too bad.

[thereid]

It's funner to insult than to compilment

[Tony Nguyen]

just hope this thread's purpose will show in atleast a minor effect.

[ryanreMpfer]

i understand and agreee....

i think you made the topic starter way more confusing then it had to be haha

[ryanreMpfer]

actually im kinda confused, maybe im the first one but to me it seems that your kind of babbling and changing from one idea to another with no real connections

the thread is labeled "Sick Samplers Get Less Responses than Shitty Vids."

and shitty vids you describe as parkour videos.. okayy.. but then you begin tlaking about how this is true because people jsut like to hate and bash and i dont see the relevancy between everything..

and then are you saying parkour people are subconcious threats to the people of TT and tahts why people bash? are people bashing them? and if not parkour people then waht noobs are you talking about and how does this have to do with the orininal topic?

[anthonyaG]

Damn, what you say is true, and it is gay how no one takes the time to compliment real skill.

[Dave]

Interesting, just recently a thread was made saying the OPPOSITE.

I might look for it later, i think it was saying how we all need to post on noobs vids and give them constructive criticism, but you seem to want us to post on awesome vids and make the good people happy.

The parkour video? If you can't see how what those kids did is idiotic and embarassing to the parkour community, you must be blind. Imagine if I rang up a tv station and got them to do a story on me as a tricker and i said i was really good and stuff. The story would be like "he spends his off days tricking, the thrill, the excitement, as he approaches he lunges forward into a frontflip and lands in a crouched position, ready to attack like a ninja at any chance he gets". It would be embarrassing and people would want to show their dissapointment/anger of my idiocy.

[Inkrepid]

Furioushaime got mad comments, I think you just gotta get lucky...

[Dave]

Wait, your thread is confusing as others have stated.

You then later progress in saying that people post abuse on noobs samplers. I think this isn't THAT common but there is always 1 or 2 people who do do it in a thread and it is pretty sad that they cant offer constructive criticism.

We need to be constructive instead of destructive.

p.s. you also need to change your title or something because it confused my small brain :(

[Tony Nguyen]

actually im kinda confused, maybe im the first one but to me it seems that your kind of babbling and changing from one idea to another with no real connections

the thread is labeled "Sick Samplers Get Less Responses than Shitty Vids."

and shitty vids you describe as parkour videos.. okayy.. but then you begin tlaking about how this is true because people jsut like to hate and bash and i dont see the relevancy between everything..

and then are you saying parkour people are subconcious threats to the people of TT and tahts why people bash? are people bashing them? and if not parkour people then waht noobs are you talking about and how does this have to do with the orininal topic?

i mean in all general terms possible.

[Tony Nguyen]

i dont only mean in online communities as well, i mean in real life situations too.

[Shido]

It's funner to insult than to compilment

This site was made to help people, not make fun of them. Doesn't matter if its more fun.

I mean give or take sometimes people do stupid things and its ok to laugh at them. But if someone is generally trying and asking for help.....its good to help them. :good:

[TartanPajamas]

Yeah, the negativity on this forum really bothers me, actually. I'm glad you brought this up.

[TKD_Andy]

some shitty parkour thread has more views and responses than my team sampler.

so its not really about anyone else, its about your thread not getting enough "wow you're so leet!" comments?

Out of the two of these, which is more helpful to post:

- ZOMG i fukking luv u guyz u iz weell good all ur stuff iz sikk!!!!!!!!11
- Nice vid, you need to work on your 540s, keep that leg straight.

Its human nature tony, people are more likely to bash than give praise, thats obvious and you should know that.

Oh yeah, and it helps when you dont link everything to your myspace page :bad:

Personally, if a video is good, i'll say so. But then it becomes a bit of a pointless 'fanboi' post. If someone needs help on something, i'll say so too.

[Snejk]

Actually this is only forum where I see such negativity and rude behaviour from people. In no way do I agree that it's in human nature to be an ass rather than a good samaritan. Out of all my friends, neighbours and family, I don't think I know someone sinister. Here I see insults in each and every thread and only once in a blue moon is there a reason for the flame.

The main reason is because the forum is not moderated in a serious and professional manner. Mods ban on a whim. Sometimes people are banned for no reason other than for the mod to act a joker and have people laugh with him.

[musasabi]

while tonys post may be a bit awkward, what he says isnt untrue.

i spent about nine months away from this community due to joining the retarded army. when i returned, i noticed something very definitely that had been just an inkling before i left.

i dont know if its because tricking is becoming diluted due to popularity, if the age-group this site appeals to is becoming more rude, or if its just the evolution of a social creature such as this website.

what i do know is that the original fun-loving nature of this community has all but vanished in the newer ranks. when i found this site, juji had short hair, team fs was approaching their pinacle, and no one had yet heard of anis. not that any of that changing changed TT, but the people who were around during (and certainly before) that time period have pulled away from the community. either theyve stopped tricking all together (ah, growing up sucks) or they have come to ignore 99% of the newcomers. if youre like minded or talented, youre ushered into the group of the "old schoolers"... you attend gatherings, you get help when you ask for it, and life is good. if youre unliked for some reason (valid or otherwise), then your shit out of luck.

im guilty of this separative behavior too, but i try my best to help those who ask right (post a video, try shit first, etc).

i dont really thing its reparable... i think "times change", but more importantly, so do our perspectives. i still call TT my home as its made me so many friends and afforded me more fun than any single group, but things are certainly different.

[musasabi]

precisely.

thats another thing i shouldve said... it is most certainly not everyone.

[musasabi]

actually its very practical, within reason. a few hundred words (literally) for a sampler or a few dozen for a single trick (when help is needed or whatever) is very time consuming, but all things considered, its the entire purpose of this community. =)

[Source]

Thats right musasabi. This site is called trickstutorials for a reason. But when people say negative things its made out to be a big joke : lolz its just the internet. We seem to have forgotten what it was like when we first started out. Its not fair for the up and comers. People, at least try to be constructive.

[Rayzer]

so its not really about anyone else, its about your thread not getting enough "wow you're so leet!" comments?

Out of the two of these, which is more helpful to post:

- ZOMG i fukking luv u guyz u iz weell good all ur stuff iz sikk!!!!!!!!11
- Nice vid, you need to work on your 540s, keep that leg straight.

Its human nature tony, people are more likely to bash than give praise, thats obvious and you should know that.

Oh yeah, and it helps when you dont link everything to your myspace page :bad:

Personally, if a video is good, i'll say so. But then it becomes a bit of a pointless 'fanboi' post. If someone needs help on something, i'll say so too.


This is one of the few posts I totally agree with in this thread.

I find it normal that vids with less skilled tricksters in it get comments, because they need more advice on their tricks than the "Pro's". When a vid totally owns, you can only say "wow this and that was really awesome!", ofcourse that's nice to hear (and maybe it is what you want to hear) but it's not a constructive comment.

And apart from that, I was feeling like the pro samplers get WAY more reply's than other samplers. And It might be so because with a great sampler a lot of people reply with only : wow! great! awesome! nice work! well done! good job! etc. While with a lesser sampler you cannot always do that and would have to write a longer, more helpful kind of reply, and not everyone wants to take the time for that I guess, which is is a shame IMO.


(btw: Here is the link to the thread where people also say that samplers of "less skilled ones" don't get enough attention/reply's:
http://trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18925)

[orichiu]

Yeah i started that thread,
really bothered me, could be so much more improving if people gave indepth advice, which can really effect ur tricks.

[Snejk]

i work hard for my tricks

I'm pretty certain that I've read you saying that you trick like once a month and when you do you get 4-5 new moves..

[Skilzat85X]

Who cares!

[orichiu]

The people who make the time to perform tricks and edit a good sampler

Jup , otherwise why would u bother making one.

[Rayzer]

And that's why it's such a kick in the teeth when you get a response like 'Nice :cool:'
True...

[Swartz]

And that's why it's such a kick in the teeth when you get a response like 'Nice :cool:'

Haha yes, I hate those too. It's good they like it but what about it? More detail takes a little more effort, and it's not too much to ask if they actually liked the sampler.

Anytime I'm going to post something from now on, and I've done this a couple times before, is request boldy that people comment with more than just a word or two. Not everyone may do it but if you make that a bit of a request people may put forth more effort. At least more than if you didn't.

[shengoikee]

i hate responses to peoples threads like "reupload?!?!!!"

im like, very polite you fuckface!

[TreXzar]

i dont post every often, but when i do, i will try to give some feed back, unless the trickster is totally out of my league then there's no point giving advice to them/commenting on how clean the tricks were etc.

i really like usernames' way of commenting some of the vids, i actually play the vid myself and read each line and look at the corresponding time on the vid. i may do that myself some time.

[Swartz]

i dont post every often, but when i do, i will try to give some feed back, unless the trickster is totally out of my league then there's no point giving advice to them/commenting on how clean the tricks were etc.

i really like usernames' way of commenting some of the vids, i actually play the vid myself and read each line and look at the corresponding time on the vid. i may do that myself some time.

Yeah advice for someone advanced is stupid but comments on how clean they are as in a compliment on their cleanliness is good. You don't have to be good to recognize something as being done well.

Maybe I misunderstood your post but I just meant certain replies to advanced people is appropriate.

[Tony Nguyen]

so its not really about anyone else, its about your thread not getting enough "wow you're so leet!" comments?

Out of the two of these, which is more helpful to post:

- ZOMG i fukking luv u guyz u iz weell good all ur stuff iz sikk!!!!!!!!11
- Nice vid, you need to work on your 540s, keep that leg straight.

Its human nature tony, people are more likely to bash than give praise, thats obvious and you should know that.

Oh yeah, and it helps when you dont link everything to your myspace page :bad:

Personally, if a video is good, i'll say so. But then it becomes a bit of a pointless 'fanboi' post. If someone needs help on something, i'll say so too.


im not goin to defend my purpose because it seems to be pointless so far, i do care bout our videos, but even others like anis vids. get less recognition than other threads. often times this is a rewason why people do not like TT. and yes i know its human nature. and im not askin to get my ass kissed as well as no one should, but sayin to clean 540 isa positive response, sayin your 540 sucks , isnt.

im no longer goin to post in this thread because the positive purpose i started this thread with isnt workin out, alot of people just say that they realise this is goin on, and others just want to act smart by replyin, if u know wuts right u really dont need to post in this thread in a negative way.

[Tony Nguyen]

now that i read the whole thread seems people are gettin the idea more =)

[RandyMintz]

i only respond to those who know how to spell correctly, not sure why im here

[alpha7158]

I like you tony and agree with what your motive in expressing that you think the forum is largely negative however your argument is based on way to many assumptions to be a credible one.

For example if i remember correctly dave c's new sampler got lots of comments, so did juji's, sesshoumaru's, Haimes, the loopkicks samplers and matt emig's sampler, some of which are very new and very sick samplers.

Also there are lots of newbie samplers without a lot of comments e.g:
http://trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20053
http://trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19886
http://trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19348
http://trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19151

[blackflipboi]

i got an idea for expanding the forum, maybe in the spirit of this discussion. you think in the share the vids catergory, maybe novice, intermediate and advanced... now for me, i consider myself and intermediate tricker.... this way we can target helping each other along the same level, style as far as if u r primarily a kicker and whatnot. i know that was a bit edgy but i can explain in detail when i get out of class.. post some informative responses please.

[shengoikee]

i got an idea for expanding the forum, maybe in the spirit of this discussion. you think in the share the vids catergory, maybe novice, intermediate and advanced... now for me, i consider myself and intermediate tricker.... this way we can target helping each other along the same level, style as far as if u r primarily a kicker and whatnot. i know that was a bit edgy but i can explain in detail when i get out of class.. post some informative responses please.

hmmm this would be soooo debatable!

[Matt R]

taht would never work

"omgz you cant jackknife your not advanced even though you can hyper snapuswipe hook"

blah blah

[shengoikee]

haha yeah. im too shit to even be intermediate.

[Matt R]

i cant masterswipe or bkick, surely that makes me beginner?

[shengoikee]

kyooshi would be repeatedly be posted in the advanced section

[alpha7158]

I think your tricking "level" is measured by how good/effective/skilled/cool the majority of the tricking community percieve you to be.

[blackflipboi]

[QUOTE=alpha7158;407364]I think your tricking "level" is measured by how good/effective/skilled/cool the majority of the tricking community percieve you to be.[/QUOTE

i really didnt elaborate either.... we all know there are different types of trickers kick trickers, flip trickers, hybrid and whatnot... to further my proposal, you have like a kicker section : kick questions go here ie. basic kicks for trickers who want to learn but was never taught etc. flip and spinny section : i want to learn a cork.... u see what im saying.... this is in addition to the trick levels part. that way no one gets left out and anyone can input. u got to know where u r strengths lie, or at least where you want them to be...

[Alexx]

u say no one gets left out, but surely dividing the forum into kicks, flips etc. is just going to isolate people more... ?

[Jon P]

I dont agree with this thread.
All the good samplers do get a ton of comments.
--and to be honest, I think the "shitty samplers" needs more comments.

[Rayzer]

I dont agree with this thread.
All the good samplers do get a ton of comments.
--and to be honest, I think the "shitty samplers" needs more comments.

QFT!!!:good:

[Skilzat85X]

I dont agree with this thread.
All the good samplers do get a ton of comments.
--and to be honest, I think the "shitty samplers" needs more comments.
I concur.

[Vaughnya]

who cares...you put your vid out there and people watch, why do you need a lot of comments? all you really need is just a few that say you either; suck, ok, good or sick!

[blackflipboi]

i was branching off of the comments, primarily to fufill the purpose of the site ; to give trickers help , when needed. thats why i find a need for categorization.
its just my 2 cents

[blackflipboi]

who cares...you put your vid out there and people watch, why do you need a lot of comments? all you really need is just a few that say you either; suck, ok, good or sick!

yeah right dude.

[Vaughnya]

yeah right dude.

yeah, i am right.

[shengoikee]

haha well ill speak for myself here....

i get a shitload of motivation from getting positive feedback from people i hella look up to - juji, haime, ben brown etc. fucking rocks knowing they said something positive about me.

so to sum it up, i think you're wrong. it's not that i trick just to make samplers and receive comments, but if i was to make a sampler which i put time, effort, even emotion into making then receiving feedback is fantastic. whenever i watch a sampler i try and give feedback even if i cant find much to say (eg. a one word reply like "SICK!")

[hamelkarl]

I respect people like you because you are good and it takes a lot of work before to be good as you, but I think that you are just asking for something impossible! People are free to do what they want and if they don't want to comments about your vid then it's ok. I watch a lots of vids and and don't post comments on every vids because I don't have the time or I just have nothing to say about it other than it's good or bad.

[blackflipboi]

haha well ill speak for myself here....

i get a shitload of motivation from getting positive feedback from people i hella look up to - juji, haime, ben brown etc. fucking rocks knowing they said something positive about me.

so to sum it up, i think you're wrong. it's not that i trick just to make samplers and receive comments, but if i was to make a sampler which i put time, effort, even emotion into making then receiving feedback is fantastic. whenever i watch a sampler i try and give feedback even if i cant find much to say (eg. a one word reply like "SICK!")

exactly, thats what will make our community better. not just trickers being haters and writing dumb shit. you just busted u r ass and possibly looking for feedback so you can get better. but thats not the purpose of this community is it ?

[shengoikee]

I respect people like you because you are good

were you talking about me? haha i honestly dont think im near being good yet man!

you're quite right though. sometimes i dont have time to put thought into commenting on something and end up forgetting. sometimes there just isnt much to say. if it's apparent someone's put a lot of effort in ill do my best to give what feedback i can though.

[blackflipboi]

I respect people like you because you are good and it takes a lot of work before to be good as you, but I think that you are just asking for something impossible! People are free to do what they want and if they don't want to comments about your vid then it's ok. I watch a lots of vids and and don't post comments on every vids because I don't have the time or I just have nothing to say about it other than it's good or bad.


i totally understand that man,i think its just to let trickers be more aware of things thats all

[hamelkarl]

hahaha I was talking about Nguyan but you got some nice fucking kicks Shengoikee! You see I just did a positive feedback!

[shengoikee]

hahaha I was talking about Nguyan but you got some nice fucking kicks Shengoikee! You see I just did a positive feedback!

haha i didnt think you'd be talking about me! :tongue: thanks anyway

[pete_man_man]

he is right. so there.

[Jon P]

so emo. with a gangsta twang.

=P
jk.

[TKD_Andy]

so emo. with a gangsta twang.

=P
jk.

haha quoted for truth.

[saunders]

i haven't read all the comments, but i'll add my 2 cents anyway.
since a couple of days i've been trying to be more helpful in this forum. when someone asked help for a tricked i used to post anything unrelated to the trick being asked help for, or just bash the guy. i've changed my mind over the past few months and started to make useful comments. it's not i started posting comments like "wow you are pretty good", but more like "wow that (insert move) looks but, but i think you need to work on (insert another move)". i see a lot of people on this forum posting comments like "you suck", or anything that doesn't really help anybody. it's okay to critize, but don't make it an insult. people won't get better if nobody is there to help them.
don't get me wrong, i like TT because nobody gives a damn about spamming and violent/sexual posts, that's the reason our forum is unique. but don't overdo it, don't give newbies a hard time, when they are just trying to get help. keep your sarcasmic insults for the publicus, or for the veteran members. but don't scare off any newbies or people that aren't used to random insults, it will only give TT a bad name, and juji too.

[Vaughnya]

haha well ill speak for myself here....

i get a shitload of motivation from getting positive feedback from people i hella look up to - juji, haime, ben brown etc. fucking rocks knowing they said something positive about me.

so to sum it up, i think you're wrong. it's not that i trick just to make samplers and receive comments, but if i was to make a sampler which i put time, effort, even emotion into making then receiving feedback is fantastic. whenever i watch a sampler i try and give feedback even if i cant find much to say (eg. a one word reply like "SICK!")

your right, i totally agree but im just saying that you dont need 100 comments. if i got a few comments and one of which was ben brown or juji or terada, then i would be very glad and proud that they took time to comment.

also, i actually want to hear things i need to improve on which means it could sound negative. for example, i put out an sampler couple weeks ago and UserName and someone else told me to work on some combos because i mostly did individual moves and they listed the new combos. now ive been trying those combos and im really glad they told me because i have landed one of the combos and im super proud!