New trick

[Flowers]

This could potentionaly be a new trick combination opener. It hasn't been fully perfected.

Whether or not it justifies as a new trick/combo is up to you, but here's my creation.

The Buttermill. (Although for the clip provided a butterstar or something would fit better, just imagine a windmill combo out of it)

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/towlie2110/Butternill.gif

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5812848630489798901&hl=en

[TKD_Andy]

its a bailed btwist into a bboy recovery.

assmonkey, its not a new move!

if you LANDED on your back in a windmill then it'd be a new trick.

[Skilzat85X]

It's a combination but good enough.

You should learn how to do actual windmills though, that would make it much better and allow you to continue them. :smile:
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If you want this to be legit you should actually try to land the b-twist solid and then sweep the leg. Like a swing through, only it's a sweep through.

NEW TERM! SWEEP-THROUGH! YEEEEEEE!

Work that, then try linking to the millz.

[Alexx]

i wanna see you gainering off that leg one day man...

or maybe, land on the harder leg, then hook missleg raiz ? something along them lines...

edit - i noticed your leg swings in front of your other one when you stand up, you thought about masterswiping out of it ?

[Aznjumpkick]

thats more of a combo than a trick. more like... 2 tricks... u know? nwo if u did it all in the air without touching hte ground... now that'd be a new effing trick

[Swartz]

Haha definetly not anything new and I've done this dozens of times simply by bailing a btwist or not quite completing my rotation. I mean both when I first tried to learn it and nowadays since it's gone to shit.

I've probably got a few on film but I'm not gonna dig through them. I never do them intentionally it just happens.


Also yes, if you're going to call it ANYTHING, it'd be a btwist to star kip up haha. Or starfish or windmill or whatever you want to end up doing. Star kip up in the case of your clip though.

[shengoikee]

haha dont be silly, it's not a "new trick"

[Swartz]

Not to mention incredibly easy. If you can't quite land a btwist and can do a starfish or kip up or whatever, then those are the only "prerequisites" to what appears mostly as a bailed move with a little bit of styled recovery.

[Andy R]

I like this freakin move.

[Flowers]

lol if everyone has been doing them for so long, then how come no ones ever seen them on video?

This move is a potentional new trick I should say. Consider that this has opened a door for you to combo new things. Someone who can btwist and windmill should try this. I'm not too great a trickster to be laying the foundations for a new trick, so of course It's not going to look good if just I do it. Others have to try.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/towlie2110/Butternill.gif

Also, you can just plainly do a buttersweep.

[Swartz]

lol if everyone has been doing them for so long, then how come no ones ever seen them on video?

This move is a potentional new trick I should say. Consider that this has opened a door for you to combo new things. Someone who can btwist and windmill should try this. I'm not too great a trickster to be laying the foundations for a new trick, so of course It's not going to look good if just I do it. Others have to try.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/towlie2110/Butternill.gif

Also, you can just plainly do a buttersweep.
Because it isn't even a real butterfly twist, at least it doesn't appear that way. It looks like a failed btwist with a starkip up or starfish or windmill for recovery. It doesn't transition in a way that looks good as a combo. It looks like a failure then a recovery. The reason people don't do it a bunch is simple, you're asking so I'm giving you blatanly obvious stupid answers:

A) It looks stupid.
B) It's incredibly easy. You don't even have to be able to btwist to do it. It's a failed btwist afterall.
C) It looks stupid.

Conclusion: It's stupid.

People may be able to do them but that doesn't mean they think it's cool to show. It's like doing a roll into a kip up, just as easy and retarded looking.

It isn't opening doors to anything and it's not a new trick or even a real trick for that matter (a crappy looking combo instead), so just cut it out.

[short gorilla]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

[Flowers]

When I showed my brother and all his college friends (Who aren't very familiar to tricking) my recent sampler. He told me the coolest thing on there was the twist spin thingy to the breakdance move. Apparently someone thinks it's not stupid. I find aerials painfully easy, but that doesn't make them stupid.

You are insulting your own imagination and creativity if you cannot see the doors this move will be opening.

[short gorilla]

He's right, Swartz. We have to stop him before the secret gets out. It's like the Davincci Code, only nobody cares.

[Swartz]

When I showed my brother and all his college friends (Who aren't very familiar to tricking) my recent sampler. He told me the coolest thing on there was the twist spin thingy to the breakdance move. Apparently someone thinks it's not stupid. I find aerials painfully easy, but that doesn't make them stupid.

You are insulting your own imagination and creativity if you cannot see the doors this move will be opening.

Not everyone may find it stupid, but obviously the majority do if it's done plenty enough but nobody gives a shit to show it. That's pure basic logic for you. Your aerial analogy sucks, it's certainly harder to learn by the majority then that failed btwist2starkip.

Also, you're insulting me by opening up your shitty excuse for imagination and creativity.

There's nothing new and creative about this like you insist. It hasn't opened up doors worth shit because of that reason alone and you're going to go nowhere with it. So why you don't keep masturbating to the shit combo and quit posting this crap.

[Flowers]

to gorilla Swartz can argue with me on the stupidity of my supposed new move, but where are your credentials

Edit: All the better Swartz when I prove you wrong.

[Swartz]

When I showed my brother and all his college friends (Who aren't very familiar to tricking) my recent sampler. He told me the coolest thing on there was the twist spin thingy to the breakdance move. Apparently someone thinks it's not stupid. I find aerials painfully easy, but that doesn't make them stupid.

You are insulting your own imagination and creativity if you cannot see the doors this move will be opening.

Not everyone may find it stupid, but obviously the majority do if it's done plenty enough but nobody gives a shit to show it. That's pure basic logic for you. Your aerial analogy sucks, it's certainly harder to learn by the majority then that failed btwist2starkip.



You are insulting your own imagination and creativity if you cannot see the doors this move will be opening.
Actually, you're insulting me by exposing me to your shitty excuse for imagination and creativity.

There's nothing new and creative about this like you insist. It hasn't opened up doors worth shit because of that reason alone and you're going to go nowhere with it. So why you don't keep masturbating to the shit combo in front of your computer and quit posting this crap. I'm stating the cold hard truth for you and you aren't willing to accept it. Deal with it.

[tracekillz]

here's a new trick...btwist front flip. discuss.

[Swartz]

Well if you're serious let me state again that's not a trick, but a combo. That'd be interesting to see, kinda weird. I imagine a bit hard, but people do btwist to planting both feet to backflips. Unlike that, a frontflip would be fighting the momentum.

[tracekillz]

nono...i mean..btwist front flip...no ground touchy. no touchy ground.

ive done btwist misleg loser.

edit: this is not a joke! ive been thinking about it for a while. i believe hans is trying it too. the farthest i got was flat on my back. but it will be done!

[Swartz]

How can you go into a frontlfip out of a btwist without touching the ground? Haha

I can understand doing websters/losers out of it like you said with one leg. But no feet? I simply can't possibly see that in my mind.

Elaborate carefully.

[Flowers]

I think he means like you get so much height on the first twist that you tuck up and turn into a front, maybe people with massive height off a ledge could do it.
People need to keep pushing the limits, and try new things. Instead of flaming those that try.

[tracekillz]

i know. it was hard for my body to understand too...but i'm force feeding it this crap. and damnit. IT WILL HAPPEN.

ill try to break it down. after the first twist you dip your shoulder in and ball up. the only thing i see wrong with it is height. it needs to be prettymuch a headhigh btwist......................................

................................where's anis?

[Swartz]

I think he means like you get so much height on the first twist that you tuck up and turn into a front, maybe people with massive height off a ledge could do it.
People need to keep pushing the limits, and try new things. Instead of flaming those that try.

Well that's the best I could think of but that's crazy. If it was done then yes, I'd be quite impressed, assuming that's what he means.

Yes Towels I agree with the last part. If that's a hit at me for bashing your recent "new trick, then it doesn't apply, because it's not a new thing and you're not pushing any limits. Get off it.

[Flowers]

Posting is not a contest swartz.

[Swartz]

Posting is not a contest swartz.
No shit, I'm replying to you. Is that a crime? I don't care about how much I post, I just care about responding to something I have interest in at the moment.

[tracekillz]

no, seriously guys.......where's anis? he should try this shizz!

[Flowers]

I don't feel like ping ponging you. I'll wait for more people to get there input. In the mean time if you want to come up with actual new trick ideas with me my aim is blitzkrieg2400

[saunders]

to get back on the actual topic:
imo the move you are doing looks good towels. and yes, everybody has the right to come up with a new move and give it a good name that is related to the move executed.
and i really like your creativity towels, but that move you are doing is a btwist-sweep-starkip, so it's actually just a combo, and it would be kinda stupid to give names to combos, wouldn't you agree? i mean, that's like calling a cartwheel2backflip a cartflip :eh:

[TartanPajamas]

Keep open minds, guys! Open fucking minds, like Sesshoumaru.

I like what Towels came up with here. It has, as he stated, POTENTIAL. Just needs tweaking is all.

[Alexx]

:good: exactly, if you look at trickers like jester and sessh one thing which stands out is the unusual combos they pull out where they use floor tricks such as coindrops, sweeps, etc. i think these are an underused area of tricks, that could potentially be awesome, we just need to explore them a bit more i think.

[alpha7158]

http://www.tricking.co.uk/trickipedia/index.php?title=Buttermill

[Inkrepid]

I once tried a 540 but didnt land it, and then did a kip up to get back up. 540kip anyone?

[Dragonic MiKe]

I can picture a btwist into frontflip in one move perfectly in my mind. Doing it, however, would be a different matter entirely. :smile:

[Flowers]

I once tried a 540 but didnt land it, and then did a kip up to get back up. 540kip anyone?

You gotta admit the btwiststarkip flows together quite nicely.

Also Imagine I was doing windmills after it. I cannot windmill fully so I star kipped.

[Inkrepid]

It does flow quite nicely...although I kinda got the impression that you cant land a btwist well you so made that up. Its ridiculous to call it a new move though, its just a combo.

[TKD_Andy]

i did an xout and overrotated, rolled and went straight into a kip up, does that mean i get to call it a Sausage-kip?

[Flowers]

Yeah that's exactly how I came up with it. I was having trouble with my btwist. I jokingly made a vid and called it a buttersweep. Someone said it looked cool so I tried to elaborate.

I can land a pretty solid btwist.

Do I need to sit down and use paper and pen to come up with a new trick?

[Augenatic]

I landed a standing double back on my neck. Does that mean i can call it a pwnzorflip of death?

[TKD_Andy]

vid or it never happened.

[Inkrepid]

Yeah that's exactly how I came up with it. I was having trouble with my btwist. I jokingly made a vid and called it a buttersweep. Someone said it looked cool so I tried to elaborate.

I can land a pretty solid btwist.

Do I need to sit down and use paper and pen to come up with a new trick?

No offense, but your not good enough to come up with a new trick. Think about it. With guys like sesh just trying just about everything out there, we dont have hopes of making new tricks until were good enough to push the boundaries of tricking and get new sick stuff.

[TimmyC]

No offense, but your not good enough to come up with a new trick. Think about it. With guys like sesh just trying just about everything out there, we dont have hopes of making new tricks until were good enough to push the boundaries of tricking and get new sick stuff.

Inkrepid discovered the cheat180. gg men.

[Flowers]

No offense, but your not good enough to come up with a new trick. Think about it. With guys like sesh just trying just about everything out there, we dont have hopes of making new tricks until were good enough to push the boundaries of tricking and get new sick stuff.

I really didn't think you had this big of mental block man

[Inkrepid]

Haha. I dont think much else is out there that hasnt been done sometime or another. There are plenty of fresh original variations, but a completely new trick altogether seems unlikely.

[Flowers]

Would you consider a boxcutter a combo/variation or would it be considered a whole new trick?

[Inkrepid]

Whole new trick, anything done before landing is the same trick. If you do something after you land, then its just part of a combo.

[Dragonic MiKe]

A boxcutter is a variation of the hyper-cork which is a variation of a corkscrew.

Boxcutter = variation. :)

[Final Prophecy]

I discovered the cheat 90.

I win.

[short gorilla]

I landed a standing double back on my neck. Does that mean i can call it a pwnzorflip of death?

Yes. Yes it does.

[Birch]

this move could be potentially very painful

[erufukami]

I was once on a quest to invent a new trick. Then I gave up because I stopped caring about what a trick is called and just DID tricks.

And if you do somehow discover something a LITTLE different from any other trick, trust me, there's someone out there that's done it before. They were just mature enough to let it slide.

EDIT: If you THINK you have something, put it in a sampler. THEN if someone ELSE says something, feel free to take off with it.

[Flowers]

EDIT: If you THINK you have something, put it in a sampler. THEN if someone ELSE says something, feel free to take off with it.

That is exactly what happened. I didn't just come up with this and decide to go out and film it for this one thread. Here look at this.


http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19438

[SickPanda]

wow towels that is totally 100% a COMBO and not a new move, like everyone has been trying to get you to understand. it's not really "opening doors"...combo-wise it's the same as a coindrop for the tricks following it. the GMS "opened doors" because it gave a new type of swingthru in a way.

although transitions like that are cool, a fair number of people already do stuff like that, in better looking ways (like dropping in a coindrop off that one leg without "aaah i'm falling" sweep thingy). so yeah it's COOL, and you can be glad you did it and proud to share...but it's definitely not a new or groundbreaking move. i'm glad you're out there trying creative stuff tho

[Flowers]

Find me a video of someone doing it. and I've already clearly stated it's a new combo variation.

[Swartz]

Find me a video of someone doing it. and I've already clearly stated it's a new combo variation.

Holy crap I already stated I've done the same thing several times when failing a btwist. Do you simply find that unbelievable? I will seriously go dig one up for you if you're that doubtful, haha.

[Flowers]

If you lacked the creativity needed to see that this was a potentially cool move, then I feel sorry for you.

The Btwist is not bailed, it's landed short on purpose. I've stated many times that the trick would be the buttersweep and this would be a possible combo out of it.

I think I sense some jealousy

[saunders]

No offense, but your not good enough to come up with a new trick. Think about it. With guys like sesh just trying just about everything out there, we dont have hopes of making new tricks until were good enough to push the boundaries of tricking and get new sick stuff.

that's bullshit dude, everyone has the right to make up new tricks. as long as they can name it properly.

[tracekillz]

No offense, but your not good enough to come up with a new trick. Think about it. With guys like sesh just trying just about everything out there, we dont have hopes of making new tricks until were good enough to push the boundaries of tricking and get new sick stuff.


haha wow. stop talking...like...now. its not about skill but creativity. i'm not a great trickster...but if anyone else has done a gainer double-leg twist round, let me know.

[TartanPajamas]

Video, please.

[tracekillz]

not releasing until hurricane loopkicks. sorry! :P

[trickster914]

my friend created a move (= its kool when he puts out a sampler i'll post it .......sorry towels thats not really yours cause people do that kinda shit all the time when they bail.....but it still looks nice

[TKD_Andy]

not releasing until hurricane loopkicks. sorry! :P


vid or it never happened.

[tracekillz]

then i guess it will "never happen" until hurricane loopkicks:wink:

dont worry though, youll see it soon enough.

[sesshoumaru]

lol if everyone has been doing them for so long, then how come no ones ever seen them on video?

This move is a potentional new trick I should say. Consider that this has opened a door for you to combo new things. Someone who can btwist and windmill should try this. I'm not too great a trickster to be laying the foundations for a new trick, so of course It's not going to look good if just I do it. Others have to try.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/towlie2110/Butternill.gif

Also, you can just plainly do a buttersweep.


Not alot of people here are creative...but that combination has been done before I can assure you that. If you've paid attention over the past couple of months, Gdong did a Corkscrew variation of the same pattern as your so called "Buttermill".

front sweep > corkscrew > star kip-up > back tuck

Also, alot of people come up with new patterns and variated tricks all the time. The problem is that most of them are too unorthodox to use in combinations, or they're not popular enough to be excepted as an "actual standardized trick". Such a thing that you have, would be a "personalized trick". Like Bubba's "Leet Kick" or Danny Graham's Lazii Boi. As they become more and more popular, they might be excepted as "standard tricks".

[sesshoumaru]

Because it isn't even a real butterfly twist, at least it doesn't appear that way. It looks like a failed btwist with a starkip up or starfish or windmill for recovery. It doesn't transition in a way that looks good as a combo. It looks like a failure then a recovery. The reason people don't do it a bunch is simple, you're asking so I'm giving you blatanly obvious stupid answers:

A) It looks stupid.
B) It's incredibly easy. You don't even have to be able to btwist to do it. It's a failed btwist afterall.
C) It looks stupid.

Conclusion: It's stupid.

People may be able to do them but that doesn't mean they think it's cool to show. It's like doing a roll into a kip up, just as easy and retarded looking.

It isn't opening doors to anything and it's not a new trick or even a real trick for that matter (a crappy looking combo instead), so just cut it out.

This is a matter of opinion...if you don't like it, then you don't like it. I can see about 3 uses which can end up being about 12 different combinations from this pattern alone.

If Anis went Btwist > st Star Kip-up > st Raiz > st Dub Gfull...I bet you'd be like: "That was an innovative way to get into Raiz to Dub Gfull".

[Nathan.P.]

This is a matter of opinion...if you don't like it, then you don't like it. I can see about 3 uses which can end up being about 12 different combinations from this pattern alone.

If Anis went Btwist > st Star Kip-up > st Raiz > st Dub Gfull...I bet you'd be like: "That was an innovative way to get into Raiz to Dub Gfull".

Actually I saw rudy do a gainer to that star kip-up thing. It looked tight but he did it so fucking fast.

[blackflipboi]

if u look at the french open 3 samps, not billy's , one guy did the same move but he landed the btwist and coindrop'd it correct me if im wrong but that was in 03'

i think it was will valentine.. it was the guy with the hat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAg8DaAfY5M

its about halfway in there but u can only see the coindrop o well, its still a good vid... pm if u want more vids like this

[Alexx]

Actually I saw rudy do a gainer to that star kip-up thing. It looked tight but he did it so fucking fast.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3925/ktmcdmc1.gif??

i <3 that with all my <3

[TartanPajamas]

Moonkick to coin drop to starkip. Different than a sweep, VERY different.

[saunders]

Moonkick to coin drop. Different than a sweep, VERY different.

fixed! :good:

[blackflipboi]

Moonkick to coin drop to starkip. Different than a sweep, VERY different.


dude a star-kip is a lazy coindrop,

[Flowers]

A coindrop is taken off the opposite foot.

I'm going to change the thread beginning to say. "Underused trick variation" Instead of an actual new variation

[blackflipboi]

A coindrop is taken off the opposite foot.

I'm going to change the thread beginning to say. "Underused trick variation" Instead of an actual new variation

its a small trick, but u r right..... the moves are akin to each other, thank you

[Swartz]

I'm not going to try and defend the whole creative innovative aspect of this little combo. It may be interesting and yes it really is just my opinion, so you can accept that. I won't call you wrong about it though.

However Towels, I do find your attitude a bit much:

If you lacked the creativity needed to see that this was a potentially cool move, then I feel sorry for you.

The Btwist is not bailed, it's landed short on purpose. I've stated many times that the trick would be the buttersweep and this would be a possible combo out of it.

I think I sense some jealousy
I thought for sure you stated earlier you did this move on accident by bailing or landing short not on purpose when doing the btwist. That's exactly how I learned it. Why should I be jealous considering I've already done it? You're being ridiculous and just sound excessively defensive about it not being a new trick/combo.

I have nothing more to say about this. I don't like it, but like I said earlier, that doesn't necessarily make it right or wrong so forget what I said earlier indicating that.

It's not the content of this whole thread so much as it is you Towels, but I'm going to drop it. Peace.

[Nathan.P.]

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3925/ktmcdmc1.gif??

i <3 that with all my <3

Dang that is so sick looking. Rudy is a freaking ninja.

[Ak'z]

I think its a new trick... Well done Towels..

[The Alien Elite]

Dang that is so sick looking. Rudy is a freaking ninja.

I totally agree. And you guys, shut the fuck up already. If it looks cool to the general public, it can be used in tricking.

"Stop making rules and just trick."

~Fin

[tracekillz]

I totally agree. And you guys, shut the fuck up already. If it looks cool to the general public, it can be used in tricking.

"Stop making rules and just trick."

~Fin

i believe the question was not if it "looked cool"...

i think its something along the lines of...is it a new trick...or a combo. its okay tho buddy.

[NyCz JeSteR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC8yq7Ny0PA -1:47 - i crashed a btwist into that once.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvbKhs1Mjx0 - 11:27 - another btwist crash into that.

[TartanPajamas]

So at least he's pointed out a nice recovery move that most people probably neglect.