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[El Fostro]

I want to learn the gainer.

I can't back tuck. Do I have to be able to?

How do I slant/ horizontal gainer? any tuts?

[Marodi]

uummmm yeah i think u need to b able to do a backflip....cos a gainer is a lot harder...

[TKD_Andy]

gainers are alot easier than backflip, because its a dynamic motion rather than a stop-start motion.

Being able to backflip helps a shitload though :good:

[Dave]

You dont have to have a backtuck... fuck pre req's man. There's no question in the fact it would help... but it is not essential. If you believe then you can achieve..

[TKD_Andy]

If you believe then you can achieve..

sorry man but thats the kind of hippy bullshit that gets people broken faces trying something thats clearly out of their reach.

Pre-requisites are there for a reason, they help you do the advances technique, and while the backtuck is not required, it helps alot, so is an important pre-resquisite.

[Shadow_Warrior]

yeah lol

[Dave]

... and while the backtuck is not required, it helps alot, so is an important pre-resquisite.

There's no question in the fact it [backtuck] would help... but it is not essential.

Just thought id point out we do think alike :)

If you believe then you can achieve... im also not into that hippy shit lol. Its just a little rhyme which i find useful. If you think u cant do something, you wont do it... you gotta be ready to do the shit you are trying to pull. Otherwise bad shit happens. Hence youve got to believe if u wanna achieve.

[Dave]

Oh and

sorry man but thats the kind of hippy bullshit that gets people broken faces trying something thats clearly out of their reach.


I dont think a gainer is out of this guy's reach... he wants to do it, if he works at it he will get it. Take precautions hell yeah, but when it comes down to it he will know if he can do it or not.

Learn the technique.

When you are ready you can try it into a foam pit, sand, mattress, off a height onto something soft if u are more comfortable.

Give it a go and you will know! (hey another rhyme! lol)

[Dragonic MiKe]

Gainer before Backtuck? Go for it.

Just keep one thing in mind...


You WILL land on your face.

[Vince]

I dont think a gainer is out of this guy's reach... he wants to do it, if he works at it he will get it. Take precautions hell yeah, but when it comes down to it he will know if he can do it or not.


So, he can do it. Because he wants to?

Did I miss something here :eh:

Does this mean I could Snapu? I mean I can't Sideswipe but because I want it, it's in my reach? Sorry, but this theory just confuses me.

And yes, he will know whether he can do it or not, because he'll land on his face if he can't. Which is the more likely option.

[Dave]

Please dont misinterpret what I said.

I said he wants it, IF HE WORKS AT IT he will get it.

Compare the difficulty levels of a gainer to a snapuswipe... come on mate...

Imo a back tuck and gainer arent directly related like a snapu and side swipe.

Snapuswipe = SideSwipe then gyro
Gainer = Back Flip then??? no... it is a different move.

The point is there is not a perfect way of tricking. You do not need to first get a back tuck before any other move.

It might take him twice as long as if he hadve firstly learnt a back tuck. It's still possible and I don't believe in limiting this guy cause he can't back tuck. Will he land it straight away? Most likely not. Could he be hurt? Yes, I did advise to only try it once a great knowledge of the trick is obtained and he thinks he can do it (for any intelligent person you will have a decent idea when u can do something).

He can do it if he wants to work at it.

[Augenatic]

Gainer = Back Flip then??? no... it is a different move.

A gainer is (Can be) a run/jog/whatever - swing - backflip. Not a different move :/.

[Dave]

if you apply the same principles of a back tuck to a gainer you will most likely be doing an exploder.

Gainer 1 foot. Back tuck two feet.

The only similarities i suppose are tucking and that you are flipping backwards.

That is why i do believe a back tuck would help! You can conquer fear, get the feeling of going backwards, find how you prefer to tuck, etc. But it is still not completely necessary in my opinion.

Yes this is my opinion, i think ive justified it as much as i need to. I can easily see how people prefer to fully learn the "pre requesites" but it hasnt worked out that way for me. Obviously i will give out advice based on my own personal experiences to try and give the viewer a chance to explore all options before deciding upon an opinion and final action to take.

My previous posts were basically useless trying to defend my self, i apologise. I truly should have just stated what im saying now earlier. Opinions differ, those who are undecided can then weigh up differences and make an informed decision.

Either way, good luck and keep tricking :)

[tracekillz]

i didnt read all posts..but i read some. all i gotta say is i learned gainer before i learned backflip. i found it alot easier. dont listen to peoples holdin you down. your hands are there for a reason....so you dont land on your face :P. but its true...you gotta weigh the risks and benefits. worst case scenerio vs your ability and your will to do the trick. i personally take big risks..but thats because i know i can handle it..and i know my body can........for the most part haha.

do what you do man. let the haters hate!

[Dragonic MiKe]

The only similarities i suppose are tucking and that you are flipping backwards.

I found this funny.

Yeah, those are the only similarities. Other than that they're completely different. LOL

My opinion is if you gainer before you backflip you'll either do a poor excuse for a b-kick from a gainer setup or you'll actually invert and fall on your face from lack of experience.

Just learn the damn backflip first, make things easy for yourself.

edit: tracekillz is obviously the exception. >_>

Could you bhs before gainer tracekillz? Cause my teammate kaos actually learnt rev gainer before backflip by doing reverse gainer bhs's and eventually didn't put his hands down.

[tracekillz]

some people learn differently my friend, some people learn differently. i just suggest him learning whatever he feels comfortable with first.

[Dragonic MiKe]

But could you bhs?

I just think it's very odd to be chucking gainers without any experience going backwards at all.

[Dylan]

He'll land on his face....

[SuperChimp]

F-, fageot

[Jon P]

Yes, learn a backflip. If you dont you will only have more issues in the future.
JUST LEARN A BACKFLIP! Its easy anyways!!!

[sesshoumaru]

Wallflips are a good prerequisite for Gainer/Gainer-flash, cause the Wallflip is essentially a "tricker's" Gainer...just off the wall. You don't even have to rotate the same distance (90-degrees less).

If you can Wallflip...you can Gainer.

[Dark Twista]

leave it sessh to kill it


Wallflips Rule :cool::ninja:

[Flowers]

Maybe he is the one who will standing quad back.