Is this an okay verticle for tricking?

[PlasmaShock]

Usually under 12 inches. On an average day about 8. If its not good then this is probably why I cant land an aerial, 540, raiz or any other airborne move with okay airtime.

[pete_man_man]

how old are you? if you are 8-10 then that's pretty good.

[PlasmaShock]

Im 16 in a couple of days lol. I dont think there has ever been an 8-10 year old on these forums.

[pete_man_man]

Im 16 lol. I dont think there has ever been an 8-10 year old on these forums.

neither did i...

[Five]

dumb question but, how the fuck are yu measuring your vertical?

[shengoikee]

your vert wont be why you cant land your tricks haha

[PlasmaShock]

dumb question but, how the fuck are yu measuring your vertical?

Im measuring how high my hands touch a point, then I measure how high they are when jumping. Then I subtract the original measurement from the jump.

[shengoikee]

so im guessing it's the first time youv jumped before

[PlasmaShock]

so im guessing it's the first time youv jumped before

No. I did shotokan for about 4-5 years but it didnt help at all with jumping because there are no jumping kicks in it.

[pete_man_man]

anyway. you get height in tricking by manipulating your center of gravity.

go to http://www.dogentricks.com, watch his video tutorials and find out what you are missing

[PlasmaShock]

I just looked at that like 5 minutes ago haha. Anyways it doesnt really say HOW to get your center of gravity up. Blocking doesnt change my verticle and my legs are alot longer than my upper body so that would mean I would have to get it up way over my head.

[shengoikee]

just jump like your trying to reach up for something really high

[chicanerous]

Video yourself jumping. That is a very low vertical for a male.

How tall are you?
How much do you weigh?
How much do you squat?
How much do you deadlift?

[PlasmaShock]

Ill start posting videos when my camera gets fixed and the snow melts and the ground is dry. The gyms in my city dont allow you to go in and practise tricking. You have to be enrolled in a class and I am too busy for that and I cant afford it.

[PlasmaShock]

Video yourself jumping. That is a very low vertical for a male.

How tall are you?
How much do you weigh?
How much do you squat?
How much do you deadlift?

5'5'', 120 lbs, I dont do weight training.

[chicanerous]

5'5'', 120 lbs, I dont do weight training.

Start. Your vertical sucks because you are weak and untrained.

[pete_man_man]

I just looked at that like 5 minutes ago haha. Anyways it doesnt really say HOW to get your center of gravity up. Blocking doesnt change my verticle and my legs are alot longer than my upper body so that would mean I would have to get it up way over my head.

don't doubt the wisdom because you don't understand it or are doing it wrong

[PlasmaShock]

Im starting muay thi soon and the place that Im going to is very big on conditioning and stuff so I hope that will benifit my tricking.

[PlasmaShock]

don't doubt the wisdom because you don't understand it or are doing it wrong

so how do you get your center of gravity up?

[pete_man_man]

so how do you get your center of gravity up?

i'm saying you need to watch the tutorials a few more times because they really do help and if they don't you must be doing something wrong:tongue: :cool:

[Skilzat85X]

Yea I don't think you guys get it.

If you can't jump high, you won't be able to get your center of gravity up high. If he can jump 10 inches in the air, he can get his center of gravity 10 inches higher. Yay for him. If I can jump 25+ inches in the air, I can get my center of gravity 25+ inches higher in the air.

I'd hate to break it to you guys but Dogen's "get height quick" scheme doesn't work that way. In reality, it's only telling you how NOT to subtract from your height, which would be from things by not stalling. Manipulating your center of gravity can NOT give you more height than you can generate by having strength to jump high.

So basically:
Manipulation of the center of gravity won't add on extra height, it will only keep you from not being able to reach your maximum height potential. Period.
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Yea dude that vertical is pretty low. Post a video or something. Cause I know this one guy with a horrible vertical but his jumping/vertical leap form is absolute crap.

[chicanerous]

Good explanation, Skilzat99X. :good:

I repeat my post:

Start weight-training. Your vertical sucks because you are weak and untrained.

[Flowers]

Do you really need to go outside or in a gym to tape your vertical?

[pete_man_man]

Yea I don't think you guys get it.

If you can't jump high, you won't be able to get your center of gravity up high. If he can jump 10 inches in the air, he can get his center of gravity 10 inches higher. Yay for him. If I can jump 25+ inches in the air, I can get my center of gravity 25+ inches higher in the air.

I'd hate to break it to you guys but Dogen's "get height quick" scheme doesn't work that way. In reality, it's only telling you how NOT to subtract from your height, which would be from things by not stalling. Manipulating your center of gravity can NOT give you more height than you can generate by having strength to jump high.

So basically:
Manipulation of the center of gravity won't add on extra height, it will only keep you from not being able to reach your maximum height potential. Period.
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Yea dude that vertical is pretty low. Post a video or something. Cause I know this one guy with a horrible vertical but his jumping/vertical leap form is absolute crap.

oh yeah.. dogen says that the average trickster with a vertical of about 20 inches should be able to get his centre of gravity at head level. he didn't mention someone with one of 8 inches... blocking isn't a magical spring effect either, it is just a way of adjusting your centre of balance so your leg fires you up.. so yeah you do actually need to be powerful to utilise it effectively.

sorry man

[Skilzat85X]

blocking isn't a magical spring effect either, it is just a way of adjusting your centre of balance so your leg fires you up.. so yeah you do actually need to be powerful to utilise it effectively.
Pretttty much completely wrong haha.

Blocking and Center of Gravity: two totally different things.

[Flowers]

Blocking + spring floor = magic increase in vert.

[Skilzat85X]

Blocking (properly)+ Any solid surface = Actual increase in the amount of height you gain. Not increase in your vertical jump, though I knew what you meant.

You can block on any surface (except like water or foam) to gain more height than you would if you simply jumped with your legs under you. It's physics.

Although for his current skill level blocking isn't going to be that applicable to much that he's going to be learning. Maybe a little, but he doesn't need to worry about that right now.

[PlasmaShock]

Yea I don't think you guys get it.

If you can't jump high, you won't be able to get your center of gravity up high. If he can jump 10 inches in the air, he can get his center of gravity 10 inches higher. Yay for him. If I can jump 25+ inches in the air, I can get my center of gravity 25+ inches higher in the air.

I'd hate to break it to you guys but Dogen's "get height quick" scheme doesn't work that way. In reality, it's only telling you how NOT to subtract from your height, which would be from things by not stalling. Manipulating your center of gravity can NOT give you more height than you can generate by having strength to jump high.

So basically:
Manipulation of the center of gravity won't add on extra height, it will only keep you from not being able to reach your maximum height potential. Period.
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Yea dude that vertical is pretty low. Post a video or something. Cause I know this one guy with a horrible vertical but his jumping/vertical leap form is absolute crap.

see this is what i was trying to explain but skilzat is way better at explaining it.

[pete_man_man]

Blocking and Center of Gravity: two totally different things.

yeah i know, i guess i shouldn't have talked about them both in the same paragraph. it was a bit confusing i assume. and made me look like a dumbass:dead:

when i said "adjusting your center of balance" i meant putting your foot ahead of your momentum so your weight has been left behind the punch

[PlasmaShock]

I think if I lose weight in my legs and ass, it will increase my verticle so it will be easier to lift my center of gravity.

[Benji]

Just do some squats and deadlifts.

[chicanerous]

I think if I lose weight in my legs and ass, it will increase my verticle so it will be easier to lift my center of gravity.
Now you're just trolling. :smile:

[Rahf]

Thinking that your vertical will increase just by losing weight is not the right way to go.. I've gained weight and increased my vertical. So much for that idea.

Squats and deadlifts for the win!

[PlasmaShock]

Thinking that your vertical will increase just by losing weight is not the right way to go.. I've gained weight and increased my vertical. So much for that idea.

Squats and deadlifts for the win!

But I still want to lose wiehgt in my legs because I know it will make them faster. Think about it. Lets say you had a skinny meatstick and you were flailing it around. Now you exchanged it for a thicker, heavier one. The heavier one will move slower because it takes more strength to move. I dont want to get my legs very skinny but I just want to lose some weight in them.

[Benji]

Well good luck, because you can't spot reduce.

[Fanya]

Your legs are what are propelling you upwards, along with your ass and the swinging of your arms. Don't weaken them. Just lift man.

[PlasmaShock]

Okay thanks for the advise. If I can start the muay thai before summer and I work hard on conditioning and that, by next year I think I will start to progress faster.

[Flowers]

drink noni

[Rahf]

I've still gained weight. And I have better working cardiovascular activity in my body than previously. I am faster, my vertical is higher and I am more flexible than I was at the same time last year.

Just so you know that being skinny is not all it's cracked up to be.

[kristo]

But I still want to lose wiehgt in my legs because I know it will make them faster. Think about it. Lets say you had a skinny meatstick and you were flailing it around. Now you exchanged it for a thicker, heavier one. The heavier one will move slower because it takes more strength to move. I dont want to get my legs very skinny but I just want to lose some weight in them.

That is if you don't lose any of the muscle when you lose your weight, which will happen, undoubtedly.

I think, instead of asking for advice, you need to start jumping. Start training your fast twitch muscle fibers to fire more efficiently. Weight lifting will help too, but really a lot of it has to do with training your body to just get used to jump. Jump a lot.

and it's spelled vertical, btw.