Difference Between a Trickster btwist and Wushu btwist

[PlasmaShock]

Whats the difference?

[Meegz]

Wushu style is pretty strict... this is what I notice: A trickster btwist has few limits in regard to style, so a wushu btwist can be a trickster btwist....although a trickster btwist will not always be a wushu btwist. A square is always a rectangle, but a rectangle is not always a square, blah blah...
I don't practice wushu, but from what I see, there is a decently long takeoff and much back arching and straightness of legs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HoeFTMr7PA

Really since butterfly twist comes from wushu, there shouldn't be too much difference between that and the way that a tricker would perform a btwist. Although there isn't a strict method of learning and form in tricking, which is why there would be variation. Some trickers bend their knees, some use a different take off, some don't arch....there isn't a set method, so I find it difficult to define the difference.

[tracekillz]

Wushu style is pretty strict... this is what I notice. A trickster btwist has few limits in regard to style, so a wushu btwist can be a trickster btwist....although a trickster btwist will not always b a wushu btwist. A square is always a rectangle, but a rectangle is not always a suqare, blah blah...
I don't practice wushu, but from what I see, there is a decently long takeoff and much back arching and straightness of legs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HoeFTMr7PA

Really since butterfly twit comes from wushu, there shouldn't be too much difference between that and the way that a tricker would perform a btwist. Although there isn't a strict method of learning and form in tricking, which is why there would be variation. Some trickers bend their knees, some use a different take off, some don't arch....there isn't a set method, so I find it difficult to define the difference.

i concur.

[Skilzat85X]

The difference between a Wushu b-twist and a tricker b-twist is that one is right and one is wrong. Also, that one should exist and one should not exist.

And, one is able to turn into a clean 720 b-twist, can be used for clean swing through and other variations, and one is just a sad pathetic excuse for somebody to be able to say "oh look guys seeee i can beetwust too".

[Jon P]

Its in the takeoff.

Wushu is a running start and the dip is really really important in wushu.
Bo-stance 2 horse stance 2 bo-stance - jump. All while throwing the body way down into the dip and up as you jump. Then twist after you reach the 8 feet mark haha. Everything must be in a straight line during the twist.

[Aznjumpkick]

the take off in a stance, their arm swing, dip, arch, and straight leggedness makes it look more wushu. also they float. its physics, wushu ppl can float.

[Dark Twista]

The difference between wushu b-twist and tricker b-twist, the tricker b-twist doesn't use to much about the form it just uses what it can to get around and make it look nice. And the wushu b-twist, like everyone said, is about the dip but the most important part of the b-twist is the form. It's all about how you control the will to spin (hence double b-twists, also double a-twists)


Double B-Twists Rule :cool::ninja:

[Flowers]

The name?

[brandonn]

also they float. its physics, wushu ppl can float.
haahaha sigged

[majorapa]

In a wushu b-twist you must have your legs straight and your body horizontal. There are no rules for how the step-in should be done.

In a trickster b-twist you must bend your legs, only turn 180 degrees and land on your ass.

[Less than Dan]

The difference between a Wushu b-twist and a tricker b-twist is that one is right and one is wrong. Also, that one should exist and one should not exist.

And, one is able to turn into a clean 720 b-twist, can be used for clean swing through and other variations, and one is just a sad pathetic excuse for somebody to be able to say "oh look guys seeee i can beetwust too".

Umm...which one is right?

[sesshoumaru]

Wushu style is pretty strict... this is what I notice: A trickster btwist has few limits in regard to style, so a wushu btwist can be a trickster btwist....although a trickster btwist will not always be a wushu btwist. A square is always a rectangle, but a rectangle is not always a square, blah blah...
I don't practice wushu, but from what I see, there is a decently long takeoff and much back arching and straightness of legs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HoeFTMr7PA

Really since butterfly twist comes from wushu, there shouldn't be too much difference between that and the way that a tricker would perform a btwist. Although there isn't a strict method of learning and form in tricking, which is why there would be variation. Some trickers bend their knees, some use a different take off, some don't arch....there isn't a set method, so I find it difficult to define the difference.

Meegz pretty much nailed it.

Aside from the information she and some others stated, there really is no such thing as a "tricker" Btwist. All of them should be performed to meet the quality of the "wushu" Btwist, but since a great deal of tricking is about expression & style, there are some spaces for loose interpretation.

Though the "wushu" Btwist is more graceful, the "wushu" Btwist would be strategically ineffective for tricking purposes. This is because it's execution takes up too much space. Trickers have to deal with multiple explosive jumps stacked on top of each other, and spacial management is integral. We have to be able to perform the Btwist and all of it's variations with as little transition as possible.

We don't have the luxury of: run, run, run, Btwist, turn, run, run, 540 gyro

The wushu practicioners make alot of things appear effortless, but they're not capable of doing many things because of their technical habits. Btwist > 540 gyro > Flash > Dub Btwist is a combo thay'll never do.

[Cicero]

The difference between a Wushu b-twist and a tricker b-twist is that one is right and one is wrong. Also, that one should exist and one should not exist.

And, one is able to turn into a clean 720 b-twist, can be used for clean swing through and other variations, and one is just a sad pathetic excuse for somebody to be able to say "oh look guys seeee i can beetwust too".

I think you're being very elitist Skilzat. Tricking is expression and that means tricking is osmething tailor fit for every person.

It's because of elitism like this that Parkour is the way it is today, which is a piece of shit.

[TKD_Andy]

the difference is wushu guys are trying to perform it to a certain standard; they have instructors that will make them do it again and again until they get it in a certain way.

Trickers on the other hand (especially relatively inexperienced ones) will learn a btwist to the standard at which they can land it. Or perhaps combo it, depending on their skill level, but that doesnt mean they have to be uniform, or done in a specific way like the wushu btwist does.

thats my view anyway.

[Skilzat85X]

I think you're being very elitist Skilzat. Tricking is expression and that means tricking is osmething tailor fit for every person.

It's because of elitism like this that Parkour is the way it is today, which is a piece of shit.

I'm not elitist.

I just think people shouldn't be hucking around sorry pieces of crap and trying to call them moves which can be done much better, cleaner, and more effective. There shouldn't be a "tricker" b-twist and a "wushu b-twist". It doesn't matter whether or not we have a huge run up. The dynamics of the b-twist will always remain the same, and they should be done as close to the specifications as possible, so somebody can look at it and say "mm that's a b-twist right there." Not "oh well you are twisting horizontally so I guess yea b-twist." It may be a b-twist but that doesn't mean it's not a CRAP b-twist.

I'm not being elitist, I'm knowing how to trick as cleanly and as properly as I can. I'm not going to sit here and try to defend people's ugly techniques just because of this bs "style" factor.

Sesshoumaru, Jujimufu, Anis, and CrazyAsian all have very different styles and expressions. But they can all B-twist properly, with effective technique. So your stupid "oh well we need style so we can have ugly looking twistz" argument is out the window.

And just because a tricker does a good/clean/right/whatever b-twist doesn't mean that it's a "tricker b-twist", either.
Like as Andy said, it doesn't have to be uniform like Wushu requires for it's scoring system and what not.
But really if you can b-twist, but you won't be able to turn it into a hypertwist, or a b-twist round, or a 720 twist, then it is obviously not proper technique. Because you know you're using at least reasonably proper technique for any move when you are able to use it as a prerequisite for it's higher level moves. There's not only one proper technique, but there are always lot's of improper techniques.

[Less than Dan]

I will agree that Juji has the best b-twist in the entire world. It even inverts ever so slightly, and it not only looks graceful and amazing, but damnit, it's so powerful.

I think he has the best b-twist to learn and take examples from.

[Cicero]

I'm not elitist.

I just think people shouldn't be hucking around sorry pieces of crap and trying to call them moves which can be done much better, cleaner, and more effective. There shouldn't be a "tricker" b-twist and a "wushu b-twist". It doesn't matter whether or not we have a huge run up. The dynamics of the b-twist will always remain the same, and they should be done as close to the specifications as possible, so somebody can look at it and say "mm that's a b-twist right there." Not "oh well you are twisting horizontally so I guess yea b-twist." It may be a b-twist but that doesn't mean it's not a CRAP b-twist.

I'm not being elitist, I'm knowing how to trick as cleanly and as properly as I can. I'm not going to sit here and try to defend people's ugly techniques just because of this bs "style" factor.

Sesshoumaru, Jujimufu, Anis, and CrazyAsian all have very different styles and expressions. But they can all B-twist properly, with effective technique. So your stupid "oh well we need style so we can have ugly looking twistz" argument is out the window.

And just because a tricker does a good/clean/right/whatever b-twist doesn't mean that it's a "tricker b-twist", either.
Like as Andy said, it doesn't have to be uniform like Wushu requires for it's scoring system and what not.
But really if you can b-twist, but you won't be able to turn it into a hypertwist, or a b-twist round, or a 720 twist, then it is obviously not proper technique. Because you know you're using at least reasonably proper technique for any move when you are able to use it as a prerequisite for it's higher level moves. There's not only one proper technique, but there are always lot's of improper techniques.

I thought you meant that all btwists that had bent legs and weren't done from a running 30 foot start were wrong technique in your opinion. Therefore it seems we misunderstood eachother.

[Skilzat85X]

It seems that way indeed!

Carry on chaps!

:juji:

[TKD_Andy]

I will agree that Juji has the best b-twist in the entire world. It even inverts ever so slightly, and it not only looks graceful and amazing, but damnit, it's so powerful.



best in the world for what though? Changing into a hypertwist? Certainly not the one in his exampler. Swinging through from? Again, certainly not the one in the exampler.

This is because juji does a small modification to his btwist that i picked up on a while ago. It makes your btwist look fucking good, but it makes other aspects of advanced twists fucking hard.

im not going to go into detail, i really cant be assed to explain the subtle differences because i doubt anyone would appreciate it.

in my opinion the 'best' kind of btwist is the btwist that can be hypered, hyperhook'd, swung through from and doubled at the drop of a hat. When they start doing it, you should have no idea whether theyre going for a regular btwist or a variation, but they can perform any. That is the best kind of btwist, imo.

[DarkXacreD]

From what I can tell, apart from various differences in the setup,

the wushu b-twist tends to focus on straight legs and a less than horizontal slant, giving it a floaty rotation look

whereas tricksters seem to appreciate more horizontal b-twists, or even inverted, with slightly less focus on straightened legs; this often makes the b-twist have a faster, twisting look

[Less than Dan]

best in the world for what though? Changing into a hypertwist? Certainly not the one in his exampler. Swinging through from? Again, certainly not the one in the exampler.

This is because juji does a small modification to his btwist that i picked up on a while ago. It makes your btwist look fucking good, but it makes other aspects of advanced twists fucking hard.

im not going to go into detail, i really cant be assed to explain the subtle differences because i doubt anyone would appreciate it.

in my opinion the 'best' kind of btwist is the btwist that can be hypered, hyperhook'd, swung through from and doubled at the drop of a hat. When they start doing it, you should have no idea whether theyre going for a regular btwist or a variation, but they can perform any. That is the best kind of btwist, imo.


I just...like how it looks?

[Cicero]

im not going to go into detail, i really cant be assed to explain the subtle differences because i doubt anyone would appreciate it.


I think alot of people would appreciate it.

[TKD_Andy]

urgh its to do with the mechanics of how the legs coil and uncoil. Its fairly obvious if you watch the video enough. Its basically using the pumping theory.

i might explain another time

[Skippy]

Most people in tricking don't delay their twist either...wushu people reallllllllly wait


In tricking a b twist seems to just be a 360 spin chucked horizontally...maybe with a half a second b kick

In wushu its like Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb kickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh twisttttttttttttttttttt land.