Doublebacks...

[furioushaime]

for those who can at least come close to it on floor, or can into a pit/tumble track/trampoline...

is this difficult?scary?whats some key things to keep in mind?

do you think dblbacks are respected enough in tricking?are they impressive?

I want to start taking steps to improve my tumbling and ultimately land dblback on plyo floor at least (not so sure about grass/sand) :tongue:

there's some gymnasts im going to be working with on tumbling (trevor mainly), but I want to get a trickers perspective on what they think about dblbacks...

[Skilzat85X]

They represent POWER.

Seriously I want to eventually learn them and then use them to finish off combos.

(quite a few years in the future lol)

[Pirate!!]

Ahh man I love double backs.. I find them impressive, mostly because of the fear involved. Its scary... not that I can do them.

[Scott]

They're scary at first, they become progressively less scary, as with anything. Make sure you go UP, stretch out, tuck, and then tuck even tighter for the second flip. A foam pit is your best friend. I don't think it's that they're not respected enough in tricking, it's just that a lot of people don't do them. At the moment I could probably land one on the regular plyo floor, but I want to get them consistent onto the pad in the foam pit before I do that. I have endless patience :wink:

[kinetic]

They're scary at first, they become progressively less scary, as with anything. Make sure you go UP, stretch out, tuck, and then tuck even tighter for the second flip. A foam pit is your best friend. I don't think it's that they're not respected enough in tricking, it's just that a lot of people don't do them. At the moment I could probably land one on the regular plyo floor, but I want to get them consistent onto the pad in the foam pit before I do that. I have endless patience :wink:

Yeah, I remember how scared i was doing my first one.(on a trampoline). You have to tuck for your life, and please don't bail.

[Andy R]

i tryed on tumble track and kneed my self in the nose. :juji:

[Chris_K]

don't panic (you probably have great air-awareness anyway) and for gods sake don't open up early! good luck with it

[sesshoumaru]

Don't take Dub Backs lightly...alone, they've ended 6 people's tricking careers last year! They're not for everyone!

If you're not a "tumbler", you don't have any business trying to learn this skill. It's not like you're gonna combo with it. I'm pretty proficient with my Dub Back, and I've only managed to combo with it a couple of times (by combo, I mean with kicks; not other flips).

If you just absolutely must learn it, be careful man...

[Andy R]

sessh that tumbking pass in "the Future" you did was nuts!! the double full through to dub back.

[Ambitrixterous]

Don't take Dub Backs lightly...alone, they've ended 6 people's tricking careers last year! They're not for everyone!

If you're not a "tumbler", you don't have any business trying to learn this skill. It's not like you're gonna combo with it. I'm pretty proficient with my Dub Back, and I've only managed to combo with it a couple of times (by combo, I mean with kicks; not other flips).

If you just absolutely must learn it, be careful man...

yeah, *poors out liquor for Matt Federico* it's a serious one indeed!

sessh that tumbking pass in "the Future" you did was nuts!! the double full through to dub back.

I agree. I must watch this at least one thousand times per day, for effect.

[shengoikee]

oh dang. who had their career ended?

[Duke_Hoff]

If you're not a "tumbler", you don't have any business trying to learn this skill.

What! Why do you say this? I'm going to learn it, and I am not a tumbler at all. It shouldn't matter haha. Why would one wanna learn a double anything? For the same reason... it's just harder, and trying to go further is what you do.

[shengoikee]

yeah actually im not a fan of this "if you cant combo it dont do it" thingy....

[brandonn]

this is a move that you need to talk to GYMNASTS about! there is nothing remotely martial arts about adouble back flip.
it's all blocking, technique, timing, setting, POWER in the pull

[TKD_Andy]

i think you should go for it Haime.

Theres no 'you cant do that' in tricking, go for it if you want it!

eesh.... what happened to federico? He's a big inspiration for me, i dont want to see him bow out!!

[brandonn]

i think you should go for it Haime.

Theres no 'you cant do that' in tricking, go for it if you want it!



YESS!!
haime: throw a double back into a foam pit or a bunch of mats first. then get to where you're comfortable and do it on the plyo

[sesshoumaru]

What! Why do you say this? I'm going to learn it, and I am not a tumbler at all. It shouldn't matter haha. Why would one wanna learn a double anything? For the same reason... it's just harder, and trying to go further is what you do.

I didn't say it mattered...if you want to learn it, learn it. I'm just giving him my professional advise, because Haime isn't a "tumbler"...he can tumble; but he's not very proficient at it.

If anybody knows the drive to go further, it's me...for the longest time I wanted to Dub Back (I was ready for about 3 years), but I didn't attempt it. I didn't have the luxury of asking for help so my risks were instantly doubled because I didn't really have any technical advice. Now that I've succeeded and watched others fail and becomed handicapped for the rest of their life, I understand that the reward isn't worth the risk...especially if you're not prepared for the trick in question.

Even if you get it, it won't stop there. You'll be called upon to do it again...and again. Everytime you do it, the risk will be the same as when you first did it...

Dub Backs are not like Triple Fulls, you crash a Triple Full, you could twist an ankle or something. You crash a Dub Back, you could be paralyzed...forever.

...do you think dblbacks are respected enough in tricking?are they impressive?


Everyone should find Double Backs impressive. However, they're becoming more and more disrespected...this has led to the downfall of many capable trickers and extreme performers who let their desires overrule their limits.

[kinetic]

you could be paralyzed...forever.
Man... you just threw chills down my spine...

Didnt you learn it on grass? And how happy were you haha.

[cepopeye]

OH man, my adrenaline shoots up just reading this thread. I will probably never try this trick, but its so cool and so sketch yikes

[Less than Dan]

I've been told by the gymnastics teacher at my school's gym that I have enough height for the move, actually, out of my roundoff. However, I have no problem in saying I'm not going to rush into it.

Aerial awareness is everything.

[sesshoumaru]

I want y'all to be know that I'm not trying to discourage anyone from doing their Double Backs or accomplishing their dreams/ambitions. Reach for your dreams man, never turn away from them!

I'm trying to make you aware that when you're ready to attempt the Dub Back on the plyo/ground, be ready to face the worst case scenario (which is paralysis/death).

Didnt you learn it on grass? And how happy were you haha.

I learned mine on concrete...at the time I would of said that it was all that was available to me, but now I see that it was fool-hardy and dumb! Somebody must of been praying for my ass, cause I was asking for it...

[Skilzat85X]

To me it seems like the move would be all about rhythm. Block, go up, go out, tuck in, hold in, hold in, open up or just land. Timing!
But iono, what do you experienced double backflips think about the whole rhythmto it thing?

Anyways, comon Sessh. We want names! We want to know who actually has ended their career with this, and most importantly how, and what injuries they sustained made them have to kick the tricking bucket.

[Less than Dan]

I want y'all to be know that I'm not trying to discourage anyone from doing their Double Backs or accomplishing their dreams/ambitions. Reach for your dreams man, never turn away from them!

I'm trying to make you aware that when you're ready to attempt the Dub Back on the plyo/ground, be ready to face the worst case scenario (which is paralysis/death).

Of course. You're simply doing us the favor of making sure that we are more than ready and comfortable to take such a dangerous and large step. This move should never be taken lightly, and even when you are more than ready, this move should never be taken lightly.

[Rain]

Wait Sessh have you actually seen people be paralyzed from attempting them? Just wondering who, not to be disrespectful or anything but I just would like to know

[brandonn]

I learned mine on concrete...



surely this sentence is not about doing two back flips in the air consecutively

[Rain]

surely this sentence is not about doing two back flips in the air consecutively

Someone point this guy in the direction of that one kid doing double backs on hard grass effortlessly....and my effortlessly I mean he ran at a jog and did it with room to spare

[grymm_2187]

where can i view the video "the future" of sessh

[kinetic]

I learned mine on concrete...at the time I would of said that it was all that was available to me, but now I see that it was fool-hardy and dumb! Somebody must of been praying for my ass, cause I was asking for it...

............*almost says something*...........
footage?

[Less than Dan]

where can i view the video "the future" of sessh

Don't watch it. You'll be tormented by the cries of Reim.

<3 Reim

[sesshoumaru]

To me it seems like the move would be all about rhythm. Block, go up, go out, tuck in, hold in, hold in, open up or just land. Timing!
But iono, what do you experienced double backflips think about the whole rhythmto it thing?

Anyways, comon Sessh. We want names! We want to know who actually has ended their career with this, and most importantly how, and what injuries they sustained made them have to kick the tricking bucket.

I really don't know their names. They've been trickers who message me on [myspace], and ask for advise on the topic. All of them sent me videos of their Dub Backs on tumble tracks...and I turned all of them down, told them that they were not ready, and to not attempt doing them on the ground until they've made improvements. Some listened, others didn't...

What people forget about is that trampolines and tumble tracks not only aid in height, but in rotation. By blocking into the surface, the springs whip your legs up and over as you slightly lean away...which speeds up your rotation. However, on plyo...no such aid is given, and the unprepared will rotate slower and have no means of "safely bailing" the trick.

Of the numerous people who asked my advise and was denied it...and did it anyway, 2 of them recieved extensive damage to their vertebrae from landing on their upper necks, and 4 of them smashed their knees up pretty bad from landing on them.

:: No one even told me about Federico ::

[Bystander]

Personally I find double backs an impressive thing in general, but not an impressive "trick" necessarily. I mean, to me, I feel that when a trickster does it, the trickster is one who has reached into gymnastics further than tricking usually does.

Then again, the difference between tricking and gymnastics is very opinionated, so who knows. But personally, I'd like to see a crazy hyperhook or a sick combo rather than a double back.

But in my opinion, Haime, learn it if you want it, but as mentioned in many replies in this thread.. there are a lot of risks you'll have to take, but it's worth it if you want it.

What happened to Federico by the way?

[grymm_2187]

Don't watch it. You'll be tormented by the cries of Reim.

<3 Reim

that just compelled me a little more to want to watch it...yet made me fear it.

[Skilzat85X]

I really don't know their names. They've been trickers who message me on [myspace], and ask for advise on the topic. All of them sent me videos of their Dub Backs on tumble tracks...and I turned all of them down, told them that they were not ready, and to not attempt doing them on the ground until they've made improvements. Some listened, others didn't...

What people forget about is that trampolines and tumble tracks not only aid in height, but in rotation. By blocking into the surface, the springs whip your legs up and over as you slightly lean away...which speeds up your rotation. However, on plyo...no such aid is given, and the unprepared will rotate slower and have no means of "safely bailing" the trick.

Of the numerous people who asked my advise and was denied it...and did it anyway, 2 of them recieved extensive damage to their vertebrae from landing on their upper necks, and 4 of them smashed their knees up pretty bad from landing on them.

:: No one even told me about Federico ::
Interrrrrresting indeed.

I wonder if there is a way to safe bail out of it. Prollay not.

Anyways Sessh to me it seems Double Arabians are a bit safer than double backs. Mostly because you can see where you're going in front and thus can use your arms and bend your head in to land safely. And if you fall short you'll end up landing on your back/butt and not you're neck/face.

[sesshoumaru]

...footage?

Hell no...that was about 8 years ago, when I was 16...I didn't have access to a video camera, and there were no camera phones. On top of that, I wasn't even aware of the "tricking movement" taking place in America.

Lucky NASKA...

Anyways Sessh to me it seems Double Arabians are a bit safer than double backs. Mostly because you can see where you're going in front and thus can use your arms and bend your head in to land safely. And if you fall short you'll end up landing on your back/butt and not you're neck/face.

Yeah man, I think the risk is the same...landing on your head as you rotate into the second flip would be bad. In the same way, landing on your tailbone isn't a gratifying feeling either. If you manage to bail out, but lack sufficient arm strength to catch yourself...you can kiss your arms goodbye.

[Chris_K]

first of all, i want to see the footage of Sessh doing it on concrete, holy fuck

edit: nevermind

second, a former gymnast friend of mine said that when he was learning double backs, he was spotted by his gymnastics instructor. I dunno if you have access to spotters but I highly recommend that.

was frederico's tricking career ended? he told me at NY gathering that he messed up his ankle or something doing double backs, but I didnt know it was a lifelong injury

[Rain]

Yea my biggest concern is having my knees crash into my face, it happened to me on a double front tuck attempt on a trampoline and on a 540 LayOut the other day. and for whoever asked to see that vid.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZugdQoB8Mlc

I also watch it everyday for motivation, If you make another one in a year or two I hope to be on it, not enough black people on there.......

[sesshoumaru]

was frederico's tricking career ended? he told me at NY gathering that he messed up his ankle or something doing double backs, but I didnt know it was a lifelong injury

I hope not...

[k-slash]

Yeah I`m training for double backs aswell and I have some tips.
Learn on a trampoline first with a single bounce, I dont mean bounce then double, I mean just double.
You`ll probably have to work up2 it.
And if you have one of those trampoline track things (sorry I dont know what they are called) then you should learn on them with maybe a standing backhandspring double back, or as many as you need to gather momentum then work down to 1.
and of course a roundoff double back on it aswell.
And on the floor, I`d say put a crashmat down and do standing backflips and over-rotate the tuck and land on your back, this may seem trivial but it will help.
And with doing them from a roundoff, you should probably try and max out your height on some of your backs to see how much time you have to stall the spin, you should be spinning just before your peak, so that you still have your rotation but your spinning on the way up not on the way down.
If you practice roundoff backs and tucking for a second longer so that you land on your feet but slightly over-rotated, this will show you if you have enough height/rotation to enter the second spin.
A FAST and powerfull roundoff are needed for this, the faster your roundoff the more explosive the backflip will be out of it.

Well I really have to go2 bed lol, I have to be up for college at 7am and it`s 03:15 am and my alarm clock broke and I can barely get up with an alarm clock haha.
I hope that at least some of that helped, tho it was horribly written lol.
Peace and good luck !

[kinetic]

first of all, i want to see the footage of Sessh doing it on concrete, holy fuck

edit: nevermind

second, a former gymnast friend of mine said that when he was learning double backs, he was spotted by his gymnastics instructor. I dunno if you have access to spotters but I highly recommend that.

was frederico's tricking career ended? he told me at NY gathering that he messed up his ankle or something doing double backs, but I didnt know it was a lifelong injury

Well he was walking fine so i doubt it. Well i hope he's alright.

[Ambitrixterous]

Well he was walking fine so i doubt it. Well i hope he's alright.

*About Federico*

Here's the scoop: he learned a double back, did it a couple times, and slipped up one day and came out a bit too early or just landed at too steep an angle and landed flat-footed with all his weight forward (basically bending his feet back towards his shins with all the power of landing a double back). He tore his ankle joints up pretty hard, had to take physical therapy for a few months... and still has to do strenghtening for it for a few more months. He's walking fine now without a limp and will still be able to trick but apparently never at 100% again. Point here: Federico is a soldier and will eventually be back to tricking but even WITH a full recovery, who wants to go through that!??!

My first double back was on a trampoline and I only tried it because my friends were calling me a pussy for about a half hour till I went outside and tried it without warming up... (this was when I was young and stupid. Now I'm still stupid but not quite as young) anyway I landed on my face! As the genereal consensus seems to be with this trick:

DON'T MESS AROUND WITH IT! IT IS A SERIOUS TRICK!

-happy tricking

[Spectral]

TRIPLE BACK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzygICrsOBo

[jiayo-chris]

Im training double backs at the moment i can do them pretty easy off a tumble track into a foam pit with mats stacked up. Just need t work up the currage to try them on the ground, should do it soon though :)

[Dovicka]

I'm really planning on doublebacks soon, maybe tommorow if I'm feeling fresh, now that I think of it I should stretch right now to make sure.

anyway I hope that i do one just to shed some light on the subject. I know that i have loads of power for it, maybe even on grass (for those of you who saw my thread about double on grass, i have improved LOADS since then)
but tomorrow its all about the balls

[jiayo-chris]

well good luck mate, i may try them tonight at the gym depends how i feel.

[Dave]

I find double backs VERY impressive from a tricker.. I mean when someone with no prior gymnastics training can pull a move like that, shit!

Some trickers I know can land them. They all learnt off plyo into a foam pit, then a pit with mats in it.. practiced doing ro backs and getting mega height off them... if i were to try one ever it would be in the safe comfort of foam cubes :)

[Flowers]

I feel like a double back needs to get the right balance between blocking stalling and tucking.

If you block out the wazoo and stall like a bitch too much then your tuck will be massively slow.

I have yet to find a gym with a foam pit. Sak pachen double back machen. Landed on my face and knees many many times.

[TKD_Andy]

I learned mine on concrete...

for someone so methodical and careful, that sure was stupid!!

[kinetic]

I think they are all fear on a trampoline(a home tramp). Fear and tucking.

[[RozoN]]

I'm really planning on doublebacks soon, maybe tommorow if I'm feeling fresh, now that I think of it I should stretch right now to make sure.

anyway I hope that i do one just to shed some light on the subject. I know that i have loads of power for it, maybe even on grass (for those of you who saw my thread about double on grass, i have improved LOADS since then)
but tomorrow its all about the balls

Not to flame your or anything...but I watched your old sampler a while ago...I think your backflip is good and all, but you don't really have the power for a double back...nor do you have hight :-/....I saw your try on double back and you're faaaar way...still...good luck on it :)

[tracekillz]

I feel like a double back needs to get the right balance between blocking stalling and tucking.

If you block out the wazoo and stall like a bitch too much then your tuck will be massively slow.

I have yet to find a gym with a foam pit. Sak pachen double back machen. Landed on my face and knees many many times.

hrm...it seems to me that youd get alot more height and rotation if you used your arms, towels. i just noticed in your .gif that you didnt use your arms at all.

i have faith in you haime!!!

for all others attempting, be careful. before i read this thread i only knew a handfull of people that have them consistantly. but reading this thread everyone's saying "im gonna do it tomorrow if i feel up to it!"...are you really there? i'm a crazy guy myself..but even i wont mess with double back. i mean..i could try it tomorrow and probably land it, if not get close...but at the same time...like sessh said. the risk is more than the reward...so unless your backflip is a good 6ft high and your technique is perfect along with excellent air awareness, why risk it now when you can attempt it later with less risk?

even if you can probably do it now..if you wait till youre certain, and do it safely, then youll be doing it alot longer than if you try now and god forbid injure yourself. i'm sure we all know that injuries suck.

i suggest you learn with foam pit, then a harness, then without the harness on a tumble track and a spotter, then plyo and a spotter. better safe than sorry.

[Flowers]

Personally you could learn it on a tumble track after attempting it on trampoline or something. I didn't have them anywhere near consistent on the tramp but I wanted to try it on something a bit more impressive.

I learned it first on a trampoline, then on a crash mat. I don't think it's as big of a deal as some people are making it. It really is rewarding too. Every time i land one everybody claps. I could do a btwist s/t double cork, and I gurrantee you no one would look twice.

Sometimes sessh, I think you contradict yourself a tad. no offense meant tho.

edit: everytime I try to use my arms, I can't stall as well, It feels like it's forcing me to flip early.

[Chris_K]

I have yet to find a gym with a foam pit. Sak pachen double back machen. Landed on my face and knees many many times.

the gym we have for the NJ gathering has one, so come and try it!

[alpha7158]

double backs on tramp track and trampoline are easy peasy. I'm yet to try on normal plyo though.

[tracekillz]

edit: everytime I try to use my arms, I can't stall as well, It feels like it's forcing me to flip early.

its cuz youre still jumping back..and not up. try looking at your toes when you go up. it should help with the block. that way you can utilize your arms too. dont get me wrong tho. awesome stuff.

[540guy]

to me double backs are extreamly easy, all you have to do is stall up and tuck hard, if you have a high round off back, you could double

[Matt R]

i can land on my knees on pylo for double backs

i need to practice them cos theyr sweett

[NOT Muscle Man]

i think double backs are mad cool, but not something i think im ever going to for, as cool as they are i dont have the desire to do them

Also, with federico, his ankle was hurt already before he went for the double back....in fact it was hurt pretty badly beforehand and he wasnt planning on tricking much at the MD gathering anyways, and then he did the double back and messed it pretty badly

[Skippy]

Some people get mega high and dont land them...some people dont get high and do.

The tuck momentum I feel is more important then the actual height...although the height is ofcourse a key factor

Double backs on the trampoline aren't really scary. If your not scared of tucking fast, then they're not scary

[Source]

Double backs arent that hard.
Unfortunately most tricksters never really understand the correct technique to minimise the risk.
I've done double backs on several surfaces from sand to plyo. And I've also crash them in several places. I have walked away from some horrible crashes that could have ended with me in a neck brace. The reason I've come through is because there are safe ways of crashing most moves, including double backs. Learn ALL the prerequisites. Over rotated backtuck to your back is a very important one.
This is what Sesh says all the time. Its the truth.

Edit: Oh yeah double backs are a million times safer in my opinion than a double front or arabian.

[jiayo-chris]

What if you know your going to land on your head? Is there a safe way to get around this?

[Source]

To be honest I've never got caught in that no-man's land. It was either short so I'd land on my back or a little past landing on my head so I could get my hands/knees down. I would say its pretty hard to land directly on your head unless you bailed. I dunno though, I went through a lot of training to learn it. Can't say what would happen if someone just tried it without the drills and shit to lead up to it.

[wi boo]

The danger and risk of paralysis doesn't seem very plausible with this move, i mean lets say you do land on your head during the second flip, if you keep your head tucked and stay tucked in a rounded position most efficient for doing this move then what your head will get stopped by the chin being pushed onto the chest/collar bone, your head has more movement forward than backward, but lets take the double front, if you land towards your forehead during the second flip then your head will snap back and your vertebrae will get compressed/ possibly break and cause possible spinal cord damage. I hear what some of you are saying that this move should be taken seriously and that any one who wants to try it should buld up to this move but it doesn't seem as deadly as its being made out to be. whew

[Scott]

What if you know your going to land on your head? Is there a safe way to get around this?

Then you pray that there's a giant mat beneath you, and then it doesn't hurt. I did that once and it stopped me from doing any double flips for a year or something, just out of fear, not pain. Here's a good way to think of it- you can go up, flip once, then float down to your back or you can go up, flip once, and flip again, and land it. Don't do the in between thing, ever.

[Skippy]

Although I've never tried it myself, I wouldn't reccomend anyone trying the move unless you're confident you have a super massive round off back tuck. I reckon the height Munks got on his attempt at the UK 2006 liverpool gathering should be the MINIMUM height.

Although if you're really effing strong, or are confident that you have a stupidly momentous back tuck, or could generate one, then maybe height won't be needed so much...check this video out of Justin The Awesomeness...and how little height he needs compared to most to be able to double back.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=check_download&ufid=1DBBFF44721D7EA6&key=3211d5a2c8f2f009b6bfb1487cb0c3c7f79fdd1b

[Flowers]

Double front is wayyyyy more dangerous

[Skilzat85X]

Proof please.

[tracekillz]

Double front is wayyyyy more dangerous

i agree.


and paralysis IS possible. even if your chin gets pushed to your coller bone...with that amount of momentum it is quite fathomable that you could break your neck or damage your spine. you still have to worry about slipped disks, small fractures, severing nerves, concussion, anything to do with your joints is a huge concern.

"all you have to do is get hight and tuck tight"...whatever. its still dangerous. and thats why you dont see "average" guys doing it. good thing for haime..he's not your average guy :P.

[Skippy]

I've heard of a few cases where peoples heels have been crushed because they underestimated the amount of stress double fronts put on you when you land

[brandonn]

I've heard of a few cases where peoples heels have been crushed because they underestimated the amount of stress double fronts put on you when you land

that first goatse is terrible you can't even see anything

.......

[Flowers]

Proof please.

Look at the natural curve of your body when you tuck.

If your rotating backwards and you catch your head, your head can be tuck in nice and well into the curve.

If your rotating forwards and you catch your head, the only place to go is back which can easily snap it.

[Snejk]

I tried a simple gainer from a 5" elevated area onto the superthick crash mat (you can barely walk in it, it's that cushioning). I landed straight ON my head and my neck crackled and popped and I had alot of pain for a good while..

Anything is possible!

[sesshoumaru]

Regardless of whether your head is tucked in or not, if it rotates into the ground...it's bad.

Fact: the minimum requirement for doing a Dub Back, is having a Back Tuck over your own shoulder! Which is actually not that high, but to land that...your technique needs to be near perfect, this is what's hard.

[Flowers]

Yes, but you have to admit, the dangers of a double front far surpass those involved in a dub back.

[kinetic]

The danger and risk of paralysis doesn't seem very plausible with this move, i mean lets say you do land on your head during the second flip, if you keep your head tucked and stay tucked in a rounded position most efficient for doing this move then what your head will get stopped by the chin being pushed onto the chest/collar bone, your head has more movement forward than backward, but lets take the double front, if you land towards your forehead during the second flip then your head will snap back and your vertebrae will get compressed/ possibly break and cause possible spinal cord damage. I hear what some of you are saying that this move should be taken seriously and that any one who wants to try it should buld up to this move but it doesn't seem as deadly as its being made out to be. whew
Oh yes, how much less painful this is. This is your safeguard. Your chest will protect you.
IM NEIL TOUSSAINT.
http://i83.imagethrust.com/i/914929/bluntchesttrauma.jpg

[Flowers]

That could be from you jackin off and your elbow hit a lamp which knocked down a shelf and a piggy bank full of money you stole fell on your chest.

[Skippy]

that first goatse is terrible you can't even see anything

.......

Yeah it really is...but the second one by surge is immense

[Pirate!!]

A note to every one. Never ever miss the foam pit.. I was trying dub backs Missed the foam pit and landed on the back of my head on a wooden floor! Really hurt I was pretty lucky nothing bad happened.. Apart from being knocked out and concussion and a buggered neck for a week. But nothing serious.

[kinetic]

That could be from you jackin off and your elbow hit a lamp which knocked down a shelf and a piggy bank full of money you stole fell on your chest.

Yeah. Thats what happened. FUCK YOU.

[Chris_K]

BLUNT CHEST TRAUMA

[kinetic]

That was the funniest thing in the world. God it hurt so bad. It was :agony: to laugh. I still tricked, and went to the emergency room like a week later, lol. Im NEVER stalling like that again.

[maxx]

i'm surprised you don't ask wayne...he does them so effortessly.

[TKD_Andy]

The danger and risk of paralysis doesn't seem very plausible with this move,

have you ever bailed a standing backtuck on your neck before?

Raise that fall by 6 feet, and double the rotation speed. Your saying THAT amount of force cant paralyse you? Sure man.... and i can fly.

[Flowers]

It can, but it depends on the surface, and your luck.

[cepopeye]

I have a high luck quotient! *tries doubleback*

[J-Slide]

bascailly its like this its not as scary as you think i mean it is but once you get it out of your system its easy now see do timers like1 and a halfs on trampoline and do something like on 3 go for it time your self always works and make sure you set with STRAIGHT ARMS and tuck hard always leave your chest up if its down your rotation stops watch james' a few times youll get the idea

[BboyAgua]

my 2 cents:

if u saw jaimes scrap footage, especially from his comboed cart > front overrotate, u can see he tucks like a MONSTER. i think an arabian double front could easily be in his future. and yes theres lots to be scared of, but it is possible to learn ANY move safely. we have access to some absolutely BRILLIANT gymnastics coaches. to everyone even THINKING about chucking a double salto move, use every precaution and u should be fine. by every precaution i mean, graduating from trampoline with belts, to tramp spotted, to tramp, to tumble track spotted, to tumble track, to floor spotted, to floor, at the very least! if ur an absolute mental case and follow this path and u still cant commit, go back to sqaure 1. i was insanely impressed to hear about matt's dub back, and equally as sad to hear about his injury. he wasnt as reckless as some, but not 100% safe either, mostly unlucky. this move is so unbelievably satisfying, i highly suggest u go for it if u have the patience.

[Scott]

Speaking of which, the gif in your avatar isn't working.

[BboyAgua]

Zomguh, dub backs and tonite at the gym got me excited. ill share some training tips my coach imparted to me.

-drill standing 1 and 1/4 back tucks onto a crash mat. open ur body at the exact 1 and 1/4 roation mark to fully absorb the impact from toes to head. memorize this amount of rotation as a landmark.
-lie on your back on a 3 foot high crash mat with only ur head sticking off the mat. with ur back still flat, pull into your tuck position and hold it while u visualize the 1 and 1/4 rotation. you are now where u were previously opening up. as soon as u visualize the 1 and 1/4, look back, spot the floor, and roll backwards off the mat to land on your feet.
-stand up straight with mouth closed and all face and neck muscles relaxed, and without arching ur back, crane ur neck backwards to see the lowest point u can on the wall behind u. keep your eyes focused on that point without losing balance, now with ur face still relaxed, open your mouth. u should notice ur neck's range of motion increased a good 10 degrees or so. practice spotting the floor while lying on your back on the crash mat, keeping ur face and neck muscles relaxed, opening ur mouth, and looking between your legs as they tuck over.
-now put it all together. stand on the crash mat, do a standing 1 and 1/4, and finish the last 3/4 by immediately rolling backwards off the mat as u land, spotting the floor as EARLY as possible by letting every muscle and tendon lax that isnt used in the tuck, and STICK IT. ur confidence will sky rocket, and ur form and landing accuracy will increase.

ever wonder how mediocre gymnasts like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhcNMPc1uK4 look for 1:20) stick doubles with such ease? generations of knowledge passe down, not so much skill. watch how weak her tumbling is, and then look at how her spotting and pulling mimics the above excersize exactly.

drills and excersizes may seem boring, but the subtleties are asoundingly effective.

-trevor

[BboyAgua]

oh yeah thx scott, mcjizzle offered to help me with it, but im about to upload a better combo to .gif anyways, hopefully he can still help my e-tarded self.

[The13thAce]

Zomguh, dub backs and tonite at the gym got me excited. ill share some training tips my coach imparted to me.

-drill standing 1 and 1/4 back tucks onto a crash mat. open ur body at the exact 1 and 1/4 roation mark to fully absorb the impact from toes to head. memorize this amount of rotation as a landmark.
-lie on your back on a 3 foot high crash mat with only ur head sticking off the mat. with ur back still flat, pull into your tuck position and hold it while u visualize the 1 and 1/4 rotation. you are now where u were previously opening up. as soon as u visualize the 1 and 1/4, look back, spot the floor, and roll backwards off the mat to land on your feet.
-stand up straight with mouth closed and all face and neck muscles relaxed, and without arching ur back, crane ur neck backwards to see the lowest point u can on the wall behind u. keep your eyes focused on that point without losing balance, now with ur face still relaxed, open your mouth. u should notice ur neck's range of motion increased a good 10 degrees or so. practice spotting the floor while lying on your back on the crash mat, keeping ur face and neck muscles relaxed, opening ur mouth, and looking between your legs as they tuck over.
-now put it all together. stand on the crash mat, do a standing 1 and 1/4, and finish the last 3/4 by immediately rolling backwards off the mat as u land, spotting the floor as EARLY as possible by letting every muscle and tendon lax that isnt used in the tuck, and STICK IT. ur confidence will sky rocket, and ur form and landing accuracy will increase.

ever wonder how mediocre gymnasts like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhcNMPc1uK4 look for 1:20) stick doubles with such ease? generations of knowledge passe down, not so much skill. watch how weak her tumbling is, and then look at how her spotting and pulling mimics the above excersize exactly.

drills and excersizes may seem boring, but the subtleties are asoundingly effective.

-trevor


Trevor pretty much covered it. I work in an elite level gym, and I see double flips and double flip variations pretty much everyday... from a tricksters point of view it seems very foreign and intimidating, however the same can be said about a gymnast's point of view towards moves like... jacknife, snapuswipe, double btwist, swingthroughs etc.

This move is alot more attainable than people think. There's been mention of how you could injure yourself severely with this move but the same can be said for alot of skills... as long as you approach it properly it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Pretty much everyday I see girl's doing double backs and some of them don't have tumbling nearly as powerful as many tricksters i've seen... It's all about technique and confidence.

Now i'm not saying it's easy or anything by any means. I've personally only done it on a trampoline or into a pit, and it's definately not a skill to half-ass... but I don't think it should be viewed as such a godly skill either. It's just another skill and alot of us are more capable of it than several people that can already do it in my opinion.

[Flowers]

Screw spots.

What could they possibly do for us tall guys?

I can see a big bulky spot maybe catching a tiny gymnast after a dub back bail, but there's no way the guys at my gym could for me.

[Rudy]

from what i have read i still haven't gathered if you trying this on the floor or on a trampoline...if your trying it on the trampoline find a gym that has a harness over a trampoline and get the owner/who ever helps to help you so you don't under rotate..basically to hold you up so you can complete the second flip..that's what i did for my double back on a trampoline

[Dovicka]

I should really try those drills,

I was planning on doing a double back yesterday but I really was too sore from 2.5 hours of practice wednesday night. I just did some practicing of getting more flip cause my flipping speed was really slow

[540guy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR85zRgYWMo
jsut block high and you win!

[Sponge]

TRIPLE BACK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzygICrsOBo
hahaha
"TRIPLE BACKFLIP AND HE'S STILL STANDING"

[furioushaime]

damn...

[Electro]

TRIPLE BACK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzygICrsOBo
possibility of breaking ur back+neck is ..99%

[Flowers]

There's a better clip of a triple back. Back in barcelona. He lands it reallly well.

[Source]

Screw spots.

What could they possibly do for us tall guys?

I can see a big bulky spot maybe catching a tiny gymnast after a dub back bail, but there's no way the guys at my gym could for me.


I wouldn't say that. I learned double backs using a spotter. He helped me to get more height rather than catching me from a bail. I don't have a lot of facilities so a spotter is definitely not a bad idea.

[Flowers]

I can see where your coming from. I've never seen you on plyo before.

[Scott]

Yea usually on double backs the spotter just kinda bumps you higher in the air, he doesn't save you from certain death at the end.

[BboyAgua]

goddamit wayne... that was beatiful man.

its funny how most trickers deprive themselves the extra power of a handspring. i dont understand the logic, except that its just slightly more impressive. the first 3 double backs i tried on floor were straight from roundoff, and the first 2 were under-rotated, and the third one i just nevered opened up to land and rolled over my ankles. from then on it was handsprings or death.

and towels, i spot people who r taller and heavier than i am on double backs. i wouldnt risk anyones life, spotting works.

[Flowers]

spotting works for some people.

Fixed.

[glide2]

goddamit wayne... that was beatiful man.

its funny how most trickers deprive themselves the extra power of a handspring. i dont understand the logic, except that its just slightly more impressive.

It's actually quite simple: most trickers (read: 99%) suck at tumbling. And guess why. BECAUSE THEY DON'T PRACTICE TUMBLING!!!!!1111 Fuck life is so simple sometimes. Want proof? How many trickers can consistently bust a double back, which is laughably easy for most tumblers? Who gives a shit what trickers think about double backs. It's like asking a gymnast advice on a cheat 900.

[kinetic]

It's actually quite simple: most trickers (read: 99%) suck at tumbling. And guess why. BECAUSE THEY DON'T PRACTICE TUMBLING!!!!!1111 Fuck life is so simple sometimes. Want proof? How many trickers can consistently bust a double back, which is laughably easy for most tumblers? Who gives a shit what trickers think about double backs. It's like asking a gymnast advice on a cheat 900.

This is so true. This one kid(who wasnt trying to brag i dont think) was telling me that they were so easy, but its but fear. He stopped doing gymnastics because he messed up on a triple backflip off of something and his nose broke and almost hit his brain or something. Hes too scared to go back so now he skateboards lol.(he can still backflip though)

[wi boo]

I'm not saying its impossible to damage your spine doing a dub back but this move just doesn't strike me as being as dangerous as some are making it out to be sure this move is no light matter but if you want to try it and you are somewhat prepared then go for it

[Source]

Fixed.

Not really man. He's right. Why else do you think ALL gymnasts learn double backs with a spot. Because it fuckin works. No matter what you may think of gymnastics, you must realise that it is extremely efficient.
And you aren't really that big a guy. Your size isn't really an issue for getting spotted. I personally spot people that weigh up to 200lbs or more, and I'm tiny.

[Flowers]

I always saw more of the gymnastic side of tricking. If you look at the people who goto and run my gym you'll see why I am against spotting. All of the coaches at my gym are under 5'4". and mainly spot tiny cheer girls.

The first couples times they spotted me on round off tucks, I freaked out and dropped to the ground. Ever since then it's been good bye spots.

I will acknowledge now that spotters do help more than I think. I didn't realize they push up and not catch when you fuck up.

Thanks for pointing that out man

[Dovicka]

I AM SCARED OF SPOTS, that is no lie, when i go to do anything with a spotter there i freakout and can't do it.

[Kyukodo Gaz]

I have given my mate a black eye when he spotted me. He just refuses now. I have to do stuff without a spot!

[TKD_Andy]

i want to see sessh doubleback on concrete... again apparently! If he learned them on concrete they must be piss easy now.

[Sakanem]

I AM SCARED OF SPOTS, that is no lie, when i go to do anything with a spotter there i freakout and can't do it.

qft. Spotters didn't help me get over fear in the slightest. I also have some photographs which show that the two spotters I used for my first ever backlip attempt didn't help in the slightest (they were standing back, not touching me as soon I jumped). Plus spotters limit me (I can't swing my arms freely etc.)

[BboyAgua]

i kno coaches who could spot rosie o'donnel's fat fucking ass on a double back and she would stick it. spotting could be a sport all itself, cuz it does take some talent and practice. ur coaches sound like retards towels, but i gaurantee u could be spotted safely on a double on floor if u found someone decent.

[Duke_Hoff]

I tried to dub back today and died and am telling my story to warn others.

[Scott]

This thread makes me want to kill infants

[Flowers]

i kno coaches who could spot rosie o'donnel's fat fucking ass on a double back and she would stick it. spotting could be a sport all itself, cuz it does take some talent and practice. ur coaches sound like retards towels, but i gaurantee u could be spotted safely on a double on floor if u found someone decent.

Nah, they aren't retards, they are just incredibly short and small. Ones over 40 and he still tumbles.

[jiayo-chris]

This thread makes me want to kill infants

Go ahead.

[Skippy]

i want to see sessh doubleback on concrete... again apparently! If he learned them on concrete they must be piss easy now.

Sessh has double backed on concrete?

I'm wondering if this is true or just one of them forum rumours :tongue:

[jiayo-chris]

Sessh has double backed on concrete?

I'm wondering if this is true or just one of them forum rumours :tongue:

Sesh himslef said he actauly learnt double backs on concrete:worry:

[Skippy]

Thats crazy man...I wonder what makes a man just go ''Yano what I'll learn this new dangerous move on concrete and see what happens''

Legend Sessh <3