Training for the 300 movie

[rock_ten]

http://www.gymjones.com/knowledge.php?id=35

[Trixter]

I enjoyed the read.

[brandonn]

those guys were hot. i mean buff. i mean.



fuck i'm not gay!!!

[chicanerous]

It's literally glorified Crossfit. :ogre:

[Trickstar]

those guys were hot. i mean buff. i mean.



fuck i'm not gay!!!

Are you sure? Anyways, those guys do some HARDCORE!!! pumping. That is awesome.

[NatsuGaijin]

OH god that was sexy as hell.

[wakka2nice]

that was FREAKING ACE!

[TKD_Lee]

I posted this in the Publicus, but I think it'll do more good here.

go to http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/

ENTER SITE

Making of 300

Video Journals

3: Spartan Training
and
5: Stunt Work

I saw that training video long ago, and it's got me so pumped.

[Bentinho]

the movie is very badass and every spartan is ripped as hell lol

[Inkrepid]

Whats so wrong with crossfit, and is there anything setup in a similar fashion with perhaps better excercises if its just the excercises that are bad?

[Steve]

Crossfit is utterly gay

Here's a better version

Deadlifts x5
Snatches x5
Bench press x5
Wind sprints

repeat

[chicanerous]

Whats so wrong with crossfit, and is there anything setup in a similar fashion with perhaps better excercises if its just the excercises that are bad?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=crossfit

That pretty much explains it.

[Inkrepid]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=crossfit

That pretty much explains it.

The video I watched looked fine to me...Im no expert maybe Im missing something...

[chicanerous]

The video I watched looked fine to me...Im no expert maybe Im missing something...
Did you notice that they are:

1. not strong or powerful
2. often using bad form from the start
3. cardio nutcases
4. largely, housewives and lanky males

?

If Crossfit had never be invented, I have no doubt most of the men depicted would be cardio queens with the testosterone to match.

This is not to say that there aren't Crossfitters who are respectable. A lot of firefighters and law enforcement agencies use it to stay in decent shape. These individuals tend to actually have some strength and size though and aren't as completely nutso about the inanities of the program.

[Inkrepid]

Yeah, I watched a few other videos and was like oh dear this is awful. It immediately reminded me of those yellow bamboo chi master fags. Anyone know other fitness blogs or anything that are good to use?

[Scott]

That was Ilan Rosenberg hanging from the rings saying "no pain no gain etc", wasn't it?

[chicanerous]

That was Ilan Rosenberg hanging from the rings saying "no pain no gain etc", wasn't it?
That's what I thought as well.

[Empire]

errr...Rosenberg. Where is that? I only read the one page.
I'm considering working up to that 300-hit workout just so I can say I did it. I'm pretty sure I could at least do 1/2 of it currently. 50 deads even at that weight would be pretty rough and the 50 box jumps would take some cardio work.
...I'm being retarted. Yeah. haha.

[Sushi San]

hahaha, that manchester vid on tube is terrible, i cringed watching it, they could fuck there back so easily, and the guy that tried to throw the bar back on the machine is a moron.

[Scott]

errr...Rosenberg. Where is that? I only read the one page.
I'm considering working up to that 300-hit workout just so I can say I did it. I'm pretty sure I could at least do 1/2 of it currently. 50 deads even at that weight would be pretty rough and the 50 box jumps would take some cardio work.
...I'm being retarted. Yeah. haha.

Ilan Rosenberg from Team Ryouko was in the "training" video on the 300 site. Or at least, if not him, someone who looks and sounds like him.

[DarkXacreD]

I posted this in the Publicus, but I think it'll do more good here.

go to http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/

ENTER SITE

Making of 300

Video Journals

3: Spartan Training
and
5: Stunt Work

I saw that training video long ago, and it's got me so pumped.

lol the guy mentions "kali, arnis, and escrima" in his martial arts experience and what he used to create that Spartan soldier's fighting style....but aren't they all the same thing?

[TKD_Lee]

lol the guy mentions "kali, arnis, and escrima" in his martial arts experience and what he used to create that Spartan soldier's fighting style....but aren't they all the same thing?

just about yeah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskrima

Eskrima or Escrima refers to a class of Filipino martial arts that emphasize stick and sword fighting. Other terms which have entered into common usage include Kali and Arnis de Mano (harness of the hand); occasionally the abbreviation FMA (Filipino Martial Arts) is used. Eskrima and Arnis are among the many names primarily used in the Philippines today to refer to these arts. The name Kali, although primarily used in the United States and Europe, is seldom used in the Philippines and in most cases is an unknown word.

[compleks]

Yeah, pretty much.

Why were they using an art from the philipines?

[Gusch]

cause they give a shit about historically correct fighting scenes.
Or do you see a phalanx in this film?

[DarkXacreD]

Yeah, pretty much.

Why were they using an art from the philipines?


Well apparently there weren't any records of how the spartans fought. I guess that COULD translate into bad research, OR they were just using the style that the action choreographer specialized in to make things easier.

[trickster914]

great read thanks

[ben00rs]

I posted this in the Publicus, but I think it'll do more good here.

go to http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/

ENTER SITE

Making of 300

Video Journals

3: Spartan Training
and
5: Stunt Work

I saw that training video long ago, and it's got me so pumped.

If you watch Spartan Training you can see Ilan Rosenberg Aka "Havoc" from Team Ryouko hanging from the rings. He is the guy who says, "NO pain, no gain, no abs. Team Ryouko did a lot of sunts for the movie.

[Scott]

That was Ilan Rosenberg hanging from the rings saying "no pain no gain etc", wasn't it?

You don't say :tongue:

[Ashtar]

The articles about it were fucking stupid. "we used old implements like kettlebells - no machines" who fucking cares?

The point is that they worked out hard, they got worked hard, they're actors, men with inspiration who were immersed into the culture of sparta and probably had lots of time to rest and good food to put some muscle on.

That, and it looks like they got hella tanning.

[DarkXacreD]

Team Ryouko did a lot of sunts for the movie.

Lies. Ilan and Louis probably went out and got their own gigs.

[Ashtar]

Perhaps they played Princes of Persia?

[Steve]

That, and it looks like they got hella tanning.

Yeah I noticed that at one point haha, it looked like they had obviously been sitting around in beds for months. I guess if you can't get actually Mediterraneans then tanned white people are the next best thing.

[D4damage]

So, does anyone know what diets they were eating?

[TKD_Andy]

their diet is explained in the article that was linked a few pages back, or in the other thread that was called 'abs like in 300' or something.

their diet was NOT good.

[NightHunter]

Well apparently there weren't any records of how the spartans fought. I guess that COULD translate into bad research, OR they were just using the style that the action choreographer specialized in to make things easier.

They used Escrima because it looks cool and also happens to be very effective.

Spartans would have fought similarly to other Greeks and peoples of the area. It's a phalanx. Leonidas does make reference to the phalanx when he talks with Ephialtes. That's the reason he turns Ephialtes away. Ephialtes' deformity prevented him from raising his left arm to the proper height to use a shield to cover his left and the person to his left's right side.

The basic unit of infantry in the ancient Greek world was the phalanx. They used at least a semblance of the phalanx towards the beginning of the fights.

It's a box structure, with men standing facing forward in the front. They each hold a shield which covers his own left side and the man to his left's right side. This leaves a small opening for their spear to stick through. The spears were usually ~9-12ft(I think? Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while) long. This allows for layers. At least 3 rows of spearpoints would be sticking out beyond the front wall of shields.
The ranks would be much deeper than just 3 lines though. This was to provide weight, and replacements for those who die in the front ranks. The goal of the phalanx is to break apart the enemy's line, or at least to push them back. The men in back would push against those in front so that they had a great deal of pushing power. The goal wasn't necessarily speed, but weight. The enemy would be forced to be pushed back, retreat, or impaled.

Swords were carried, but they aren't how you would think of a sword necessarily. They're sword shaped, but the necessary skill time and materials to make a quality sword was such that they generally had short swords used primarily for stabbing. The longsword didn't come about until much later. The sword was generally a last resort, after you'd thrown your javelin(s) and broken or lost your spear. They would hold ranks for as long as possible, then if it devolved into a melee(which was to be avoided until one side had a clear advantage) they would use swords. Swords were also used for "cleaning up" and killing off the wounded after a battle.

Philip of Macedon made changes to the phalanx which greatly enhanced its effectiveness. These changes were so effective that they allowed Alexander the Great to conquer the known world.

[Fanya]

Thanks for the history lesson

[NightHunter]

Haha, two of my best friends are classics majors, and I took 4 years of Latin where the teacher decided to not only teach the language, but also an ancient history course(it actually helped a great deal with putting everything into context).

But hey, I work on a you ask, I tell basis. I see a question I know the answer to and I answer it. Sometimes I'm mean about it though.

[DarkXacreD]

Yeah, so all they had was the phalanx; they didn't know about what their melee styles would look like outside of the phalanx.

And weren't their swords like scimitar things in the movie as opposed to the sort of short, straight, greek broadsword?

[NightHunter]

No, I mentioned that earlier. Their swords were short and designed for thrusting. What they had in the movie just looked cooler.

Their melee style would most likely be a very straightforward thrusting style because they would use either a spear or a short stabbing sword. They, being Greek would also be very good wrestlers, but Greek wrestling is not at all similar to modern wrestling.

Also, as in any movie, regardless of what the choreography is based on, it is still just that, choreography. It is designed with one thought in mind. That is to look cool. Combat arts are designed with another thought. That is to kill or disable your opponent as efficiently as possible(efficiency here means minimizing risk to self, and time taken). These two are incompatible, so regardless of what they based it on, it will never bear more than a vague resemblance to the Spartan fighting style.

[DarkXacreD]

...And hence the fact that their fighting style wasn't really based off how a Spartan would fight at all (apart from the phalanx tactic), which was what I was basically saying all along.

Whether this is due to shitty research, fragmented historical records, or just to make it easy on the choreographer (who specialized in escrima) has yet to be discussed (not that it matters that much).

[Casper]

their diet is explained in the article that was linked a few pages back, or in the other thread that was called 'abs like in 300' or something.

their diet was NOT good.

qft

they were underfed to get them abs looking mean

[Ashtar]

Nevertheless, they do have some muscle in those abs. As for 'underfed'... like cutting?