Cardio before flexability training?

[Xavier]

I'm going to start following Juji's guide to flexibility mainly focusing on dynamic, and I'm wondering would doing cardio before starting the actual training of flexibility help develop faster?

[Papa Lazarou]

If you're warmed up it will take a shorter time to reach your full stretch. So most likely yes it will make gaining flexibility easier.

[Trickstar]

Basic Setup

Warm up - Jog/Light Sprint
Warm up - Dynamic Stretching
Workout - Tricking, Weight lifting, cardio etc.
Stretching - Isometric, whatever other types out there
Stretching - Relaxed Streching
Cool down - Light Sprint/Jog

PS. Yeah, I know that outline is shitty but people get the idea. Also, if you are going to do some weight lifting and you want to do cardio work, do it after the lifting.

[wynnema]

Basic Setup

Warm up - Jog/Light Sprint
Warm up - Dynamic Stretching
Workout - Tricking, Weight lifting, cardio etc.
Stretching - Isometric, whatever other types out there
Stretching - Relaxed Streching
Cool down - Light Sprint/Jog

PS. Yeah, I know that outline is shitty but people get the idea. Also, if you are going to do some weight lifting and you want to do cardio work, do it after the lifting.

Relaxed/Passive stretching should be right at the end - it is the cool down so no need for the last part.

[Xavier]

Thanks for clearing it up for me guys.

[Ashtar]

On one hand, it warms you up and tires muscles out so that antagonists can't contract as hard to limit your flexibility.

On the other hand, sometimes it stiffens you up depending on how hard you're hammering the pavement and how much lactic acid you build up. In that case though, it's just when a good stretch is appopriate!

Hey with everyone trying to decide when to do cardio and when to strength train, is there really a right way? Either of them can get rid of glycogen which will limit your effectiveness in whatever you do second, so I'd guess you either space them apart, refuel with rapid-digesting carbs (insulin spike!) if you're doing them sequentially, or accept that whatever you do second will have to go a bit lighter since it's going to have to rely on more fat than carbs for fuel, meaning aerobic since I don't think you can burn fat anaerobically like you can glucose (which can also be burned aerobically) which is responsible for explosiveness and power.

[Rahf]

On one hand, it warms you up and tires muscles out so that antagonists can't contract as hard to limit your flexibility.

On the other hand, sometimes it stiffens you up depending on how hard you're hammering the pavement and how much lactic acid you build up. In that case though, it's just when a good stretch is appopriate!

Hey with everyone trying to decide when to do cardio and when to strength train, is there really a right way? Either of them can get rid of glycogen which will limit your effectiveness in whatever you do second, so I'd guess you either space them apart, refuel with rapid-digesting carbs (insulin spike!) if you're doing them sequentially, or accept that whatever you do second will have to go a bit lighter since it's going to have to rely on more fat than carbs for fuel, meaning aerobic since I don't think you can burn fat anaerobically like you can glucose (which can also be burned aerobically) which is responsible for explosiveness and power.

Sometimes your extreme devotion to typing long posts is good. But most often than not I end up ignoring them because I already have the answer, like in this case. You confuse people!

OP: Jog, stretch as a cooldown.

[Ashtar]

Yeah I know I suck.

[short gorilla]

Don't feel too bad dude. Half my posts don't get read simpley because they see that it's me typing them.

[Ashtar]

It's racism man.

[short gorilla]

No, more like speciesism.

[Rahf]

Don't worry mr. gorilla man. I always read your posts. Never Tyciols though.

[Phil D]

On one hand, it warms you up and tires muscles out so that antagonists can't contract as hard to limit your flexibility.

On the other hand, sometimes it stiffens you up depending on how hard you're hammering the pavement and how much lactic acid you build up. In that case though, it's just when a good stretch is appopriate!

Hey with everyone trying to decide when to do cardio and when to strength train, is there really a right way? Either of them can get rid of glycogen which will limit your effectiveness in whatever you do second, so I'd guess you either space them apart, refuel with rapid-digesting carbs (insulin spike!) if you're doing them sequentially, or accept that whatever you do second will have to go a bit lighter since it's going to have to rely on more fat than carbs for fuel, meaning aerobic since I don't think you can burn fat anaerobically like you can glucose (which can also be burned aerobically) which is responsible for explosiveness and power.

going a bit off topic here, do you think its best to do cardio in the morning and strength training in the evening? or the otherway round?

[Rahf]

going a bit off topic here, do you think its best to do cardio in the morning and strength training in the evening? or the otherway round?

They shouldn't be on the same day. And if they are, it doesn't matter. Just separate them as far away as possible.

[Phil D]

They shouldn't be on the same day. And if they are, it doesn't matter. Just separate them as far away as possible.

and eat big in between?

[short gorilla]

I do both, often twice a day each. I don't care. I figure the harder I train, the better my results will be. Of course, I'm not training to get huge or anything, so I'm not as concerned about the calorie balance.

[Ashtar]

Blacks aren't apes.

[zetafox]

Prove it?

[Kimimaro]

Sometimes your extreme devotion to typing long posts is good. But most often than not I end up ignoring them because I already have the answer, like in this case. You confuse people!

OP: Jog, stretch as a cooldown.

Don't feel too bad dude. Half my posts don't get read simpley because they see that it's me typing them.

Sometimes I feel like this applies to me, I grew up around alot of retarded people who threw my opinion away if I didn't go into extreme detail to explain everything I say, eventually turning me into a loner. Its turned out to be a bad habit, and even now no one knows what the fuck I'm talking about. Though now its mostly my own fault, primarily due to my lack of social skills.

[Ashtar]

Hey Kimimaro, in honour of your namesake, do you ever think about what training is ideal for bones?

For some reason I keep thinking that high-compression things like near-lockout high weight pressing with limited RoM would be good because your bones are handling the weight so much. Something like the SCT machine pete sisco's about.

It can't be that simple though because bones don't all resist compression, a lot of them adapt to the bending-forces exerted on them by muscles' pulling so you couldn't just do lockout bench pressing but also things like triceps kickbacks for that component.

[Kimimaro]

This video will give you a great explanation over hardening your bones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzPbblxXsWo

Shaolin monks would slap their fingers on, I think..a canvas sack full of rocks or something along those lines, for hours. It plays a large role in how they can do handstands with fingers.
There is one man..not sure if he is still alive, that can do a one finger handstand with legs tilted against a wall. I'd like to assume a normal unconditioned finger would break under that kind of weight...but anyway.

For what purpose do you want to harden your bones?

[Ashtar]

Mostly to survive injury and stimulate storage of calcium for emergencies (like how muscle is amino acids for emergencies) and I guess for hurting people and blocking attacks.

[Kimimaro]

We have similar interests.. >_>
Some bones I don't think you really have access to hardening, but your shins and wrists surely can. I'd get yourself a shinai and beat yourself, seriously lol.
I wander if this relates to soccor players, my friend had played for a long time and you could beat the shit out of his shins and he would tolerate it all no problem. Would that be bone conditioning or it that just killing off the nerves?

[Ashtar]

Probably a combination of both. Since most conditioning methods seem to rely on impact, I wish there was a way to do it without deadening nerves. I like being able to feel things. As badass as it is to go through the process of deadening them, not feeling pain and fighting isn't as badass as if you kept your nerves and fought through pain. Being able to feel things is useful. Like, if you deadened the nerves in your shin, and then a deadly viper bit you on the shin, would you even know it?

Another thing is they might not even be exclusive, that's why I'd want some way of measuring density. I know there's some kind of scale/BF% machine that claims to do it, but not sure if the method's accurate.

I keep thinking back to that kickboxing match video I saw where the guy snap-kicks another guy and his leg just folds from the kick, and then he steps on it and finishes his leg off. Obviously he'd deadened his nerves as a professional, especially since he didn't even seem to notice it. But the bone wasn't strong enough, his muscles were too strong compared to his shin bones' ability to absorb impact perpendicular to them. That's why I think leg extensions don't suck, they mimick that direction.

[Kimimaro]

Probably a combination of both. Since most conditioning methods seem to rely on impact, I wish there was a way to do it without deadening nerves. I like being able to feel things. As badass as it is to go through the process of deadening them, not feeling pain and fighting isn't as badass as if you kept your nerves and fought through pain. Being able to feel things is useful. Like, if you deadened the nerves in your shin, and then a deadly viper bit you on the shin, would you even know it?

Another thing is they might not even be exclusive, that's why I'd want some way of measuring density. I know there's some kind of scale/BF% machine that claims to do it, but not sure if the method's accurate.

I keep thinking back to that kickboxing match video I saw where the guy snap-kicks another guy and his leg just folds from the kick, and then he steps on it and finishes his leg off. Obviously he'd deadened his nerves as a professional, especially since he didn't even seem to notice it. But the bone wasn't strong enough, his muscles were too strong compared to his shin bones' ability to absorb impact perpendicular to them. That's why I think leg extensions don't suck, they mimick that direction.

I don't think the nerves are damaged to that extent. Not sure actually.

[Ashtar]

Yeah, it's confusing. Maybe a combination of deadening nerves, shutting the brain connection off, and thickening the skin.

It reminds me of reading about knuckle conditioning. We do have nerves in our knuckles, you can feel if you tough them. But one guy said his method caused the tissue to restructure so that it was just skin on top of bone, with nothing else underneath. Maybe he was lying though.