Questions for Sessh

[Dylan]

2 things

i just read another thread where you mentioned doing a double back out of a tricking combo... i've often thought about that but have never seen it done, i would looove to see a vid if you have one

and i was also wondering why in the tricking bible you put an X-out as a class C trick? i find them so much easier then flashes and i think most other people do too... i guess it just didnt seem to fit in with the others as far as difficulty goes

thanks in advance

[Andy R]

its probally a standing x out

[anerky]

in a flash you can swipe that kick around over and under you, making it so that even with a little height and rotation you can still make it to your foot. You really can't do that in an xout and you really have to open up in a way that slows the rotation a lot more

[FatTricks]

Standing XOUTs are EASSYYYYY as pie.
Standing Flashes on the other hand....feel like Russian Roulette.

This is all in my opinion, plus from the perspective of an "overweight" trickster.

[Scott]

Standing flashes and standing xouts are both easy, from the perspective of me. The whole classification thing is silly, I think, because different people have different areas of expertise.

[Dylan]

i completely agree with fat tricks.... if you can do a decent backtuck you can easily X-out... where a flash kick takes more power

[Reza]

you realize just splitting your legs in a bflip isn't an xout right?

[Serial]

you realize just splitting your legs in a bflip isn't an xout right?

yeah, a 'good' x-out i think is harder than a flash, and requires more flexibility

[Scott]

yeah, a 'good' x-out i think is harder than a flash, and requires more flexibility

Yes. But they're both still very easy. I got flash a long time before xout, though.

[shengoikee]

thats weird i got xouts literally the instant i got backflips haha. flashes took another month or so but now theyr just as easy i guess.

this classification thing does seem to be of varying relevance to individuals. sessh's tricking 105 where points are awarded based on various factors only seems ambiguous with the "difficulty". i guess you could use it if you were a NASKA judge as controversial as it may be....

i appreciate some aspects of it but dont see it as something concrete

[sesshoumaru]

2 things

i just read another thread where you mentioned doing a double back out of a tricking combo... i've often thought about that but have never seen it done, i would looove to see a vid if you have one

and i was also wondering why in the tricking bible you put an X-out as a class C trick? i find them so much easier then flashes and i think most other people do too... i guess it just didnt seem to fit in with the others as far as difficulty goes

thanks in advance

In response to the 1st thing...

A video of that will not be released for quite sometime now . I have agreed to a "standardized release date" for all tricks and combos that extend beyond a certain level of coordination and physical talent. Also, whomever else who'd be able to do the combination, won't post it either ...so you're just gonna have to be patient on this one.

[U]In response to the 2nd thing...

T101 was written from my point of view, so there are a few things some people won't agree with .

Most [B]X-Outs that are seen today, are executed like the "tumbling" X-Out's [feet spread about 1 ft outside the hips, chest below the hips, layout fashion] that cheerleaders/gymnast do...which is cool; but I don't think that C.Devera [the one who pioneered the X-Out in tricking] meant for the "standing" X-Out to be executed that way [since he himself never did it like that].

When I do any X-Out variation, I keep my chest up [at or above the level of my hips] during the thrusting of the kicks. I do this because it makes the offensive power of the X-Out [the dual kicks] increase. In TKD philosophy, it is important to keep the entire body together [in a compact shape] during aerial attacks. This way, more of the body weight can be transmitted behind the blow. So all in all, I'm just treating the X-Out like a "real" fighting technique...and my execution shows it.


[B]Loser/Webster X-In

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g241/iganinkuten/Loser-X-In.gif


Btwist > st Gainer X-Out

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g241/iganinkuten/ST-X-Out.gif

The problem with executing the X-Out like this, is that it makes it harder to land, thus harder to do overall. Since the upperbody comes up with the kicks [adding more power], it doesn't go back until the kicks are finished [rechambering]...which means that there is a segment of time [sometimes small, sometimes great] in which the body isn't rotating, which also means that there is an alternate force [the abdominals] that must be used to get the body to flip backwards/forward after the kicks are finished.

In addition to technique, I also have the habit of "sticking" the kick of the X-Out...it's not just snapped out and snapped back; I put alot of emphasis on them. Also, the quality of my "spread" is higher than most [striking targets to both sides of me versus them being strictly above and technically useless].

Combine all of those before-mentioned qualities, and you have an X-Out that belongs in Class C. Though the X-Out is still practically useless, if a person was to walk into one...it would be considerably more potent...and that is why I say that an X-Out is a more difficult skill than the Flash Kick.


Also...

There are too many threads that are centered around me or my thoughts. I'm just another tricker like everyone else. You can ask anybody for advice or insight. TKD Andy, Alpha, Dave C, Tony FA, Nick B, MartialartsguyFL, and quite a few others are good at giving advice and guidance. If you value my opinion over others, then PM me about it...or just post the question without any names being attached [I'm gonna see it anyway] because there are too many threads with my name on it.
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[kinetic]

Yeah i was gonna say something like "geez, leave the guy alone" if it were a negative thread. But its not. So i didnt. Oh wait i did. NOOOOOOOOOOO.

[Dylan]

sorry sessh... i did realize there were alot of threads concerning you in the general trick discussion after i posted this.... but these particular questions were ones that only you could answer....

and i did consider PMing you... but i thought that others may have had the same questions

but your right, i could ask more generally next time

[Dave C]

Besides people thinking others are doing their X outs wrong, if your flash feels harder than your X then I feel like most people do their flashkicks VERY wrong.

If I'm asked to do a backflip in a parking lot at 2am with shoes on, I'm way more likely to do a flashkick because I know I'll execute it well and there's virtually no risk of fucking it up. Why? I kick straight up as hard as possible giving me all the rotation and height I need, and I pull my kicking foot almost to my face, instantly protecting my entire upper body and head. If my foot is infront of my face, then it's obviously going to hit the ground long before my nose ever gets there. Beyond that, it's increasing the time I have to spot the floor. Splitting your legs on a flashkick gives you a wide, stable stance when you land, increasing your balance further

You guys just need to trick to kill or something :smile:

[mike111590]

You guys just need to trick to kill or something :smile:


well said Dave, very well said.

[Skilzat85X]

Flashes and X-Outs a both equally freaking easy haha.

Well ok maybe Flashes are easier but they're both on the same "level" of niggdom. If flahses feel hard you're not looking back and/or not using the correct leg to flash with.