kicks i struggle with (vid) - jacknife, c900double, pop900double, 1080, 720triple.

[shengoikee]

hullo iv been trying these for a while now and seem to of plateaued in my attempts :agony: if anybody can throw random bits of advice at me id much appreciate it! thanks guys =)

http://download.yousendit.com/621E9A4822DA1049

[saulus]

niiiiiice...for the jacknife first do a normal 540 and than turn your shoulder in really hard and turn around hard than get that second kick out...but it think that version of a jacknife is even harder ^^...but your jacknife looks much nicer than mine so i cant give much tipps thats just the way i do it...you dont wrap in tight enough on you 1080, push you ellbows into your rips and lay you hands flat on your chest so there is no freespace in between... for all the other tricks..NO IDEA....cant do them..but keep it up you'll get them soon im sure since you are one of the best kickers on TT!!:good:

[Skilzat85X]

Duuude you travel a LOT much on a lot of your pop kicks haha.

What helped me was to diggggg. Focus on the dig. Mmm dig. Delicious. Run up a little. DIG! PREP ARMS IN DIGG! Then just leeeap up. Don't try to rebound off the floor with a quick jump that never works for this stuff and you'll just go flying way over there. DIG and if you wanna get fancy block. Just try going up!

The only specific problem that I think I noticed that I think I can reasonably address is in the Cheat 900 Double I notice that you don't look back at the target on the second kick. You turn around but you don't really BOOM around. Just try like tornado kick then pull back in then use your arms and turn your head for one massive turn around. If I was you I'd build up by trying tornado "gyros" or some crap like that.

Also for the jacknife hmm you might wanna try consciously chambering the kicking leg. That's what I need to do as well.
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Ok after more looking the thing I notice about most of your multiple kicking moves is that you don't look around back at the target much. Like on the pop900double. Your head stays looking at your target as you begin your rotation after the first kick. Thus you're going to struggle getting another kick out. I can guarantee that if you practice consciously turning your head around immediately after the kick it will be much easier to get it out. The sooner you see the target again, the more time and air you have to SNAP that baby out.

[Less than Dan]

I think that jackknife is insane already. You are my new jackknife hero, Dave. Take me, I'm yours.

[shengoikee]

saulus: when i try jacknives i always always seem to wanna roll my hips pretty early so it ends up like a weird cheat720 haha. it such a difficult habit to break but you're right i need to just 540 then hook! ill see if i can squeeze that 1080 a lil harder. =) oh and im nowhere near the best at kicking!!! thanks a lot though man <3

skilz: my attempts at any type of 900 double are so sucky haha, but the head thing sounds goooood so ill give that a shot today! i also realised i dig a lot more when i go for hyper720s so ill see if setting up for my other moves like that helps any haha

dan: <33333 thanks for the compliment man! ....but i cant do jacknives justice yet :agony:

[Kyukodo Gaz]

That jacknife was pretty goddamn good dave. You got the roll. The best guys mention the bail at the top of the first kick, but yours is there already, that just needs drilling dude.

Your 1080... You're getting round, in fact, it's quite nice dude. Your kick obviously needs a little work. the one thing i would say, is that everyone who I see 1080 attacks that trick like it's something they hate with a passion. You kinda float it almost. You're spinning fast, but you need that 'hate' :smile:

900 double... Kim do's tips worked for me, although I manage about 1 in ten! He says that your first kicking leg needs to be almost an afterthought. Leave it till really late, so the kick is coming out of the side of your hip rather than the front of it. (this is the inside inside version i'm talking about) That way you have more time to get the second kick out. He also mentioned torqueing the upper body to pull the leg around again.

900 = shut up. The sex.

900 double with the pop 360 = strange variation, but nice again. The only thing I would say about this is that I think you are making too much of the first kick. I'd work on a faster, snappier first kick, rather than the really floaty nice 360 gyro version. If you watch TKD Andy's 720 double, he has almost no gap between the two kicks, and the first kick is very fast to provide momentum for the spin.

You da man. I'm liking.

[shengoikee]

thanks gaz! although andy lays his 720double back and cant 900double looool (:wink:)

edit: i tried some more 1080s today but theyr looking kinda similar :sad: http://download.yousendit.com/BE0F2B6E66E83DDD
my foot is marginally higher but i think i somehow need to stop myself unwrapping so early on.... or just spin faster. ARHG!!!!

[Kyukodo Gaz]

again, that so looks like you could you really could attack it. You are nearly getting round, and your tech is good, the kick isn't coming out because the rotation aint quite there for the hook. You are trying to kick with a closed hip, simply because, you don't have the time to unwrap a little and open the hip out. Go into it like you want to 'rip' the twist out. Elbow someone's head off... whatever works for you. That way you might eke out that extra 30-45 degrees or so.

Awesome dude. The vid I have of andy's double is defo a straight up one, and I know it's a different technique. I was just saying that the speed of the first kick contributes to the technique as a whole and whips him around for that second kick. To be honest, I'm not sure that tip will help, it may not work, but hey, you gotta try :smile:

Good stuff Dave, I like your kicking style, it's clean.

[shengoikee]

yeah andy's 720doublez are hawt. i def do mine differently though. i would post some up but i kinda wanna save some stuff for a sampler haha. i dont mind posting this sloppy stuff though. =)

i thiiiink the problem with my 1080 is the left elbow. if i stick that to my chest then i might be able to pull out some more spinnn.

thanks for the clean comment but this stuff really isnt great! im mainly trying to clean up stuff i didnt put in my last samp so i can use some more advanced variations in combos....

[Shaolin.dk]

Wow nice stuff Dave!

In your jacknife try to stall the first kick, like a round kick, instead of kicking trough try just bring it up, then roll over to the outside crescent. Chris DeVera is the best example of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYFtfOJZOYo - 1.55
I think it helps a bunch when learning a jacknife properly.

[shengoikee]

ohhh yeah best jacknife ever! i know the one you mean =D

yeah id love to be able to do that..... dang. i feel insignificant.

[sesshoumaru]

C9 Double

There are many different ways you can execute this move...here are the most effective ways: 1) think 540 Gyro to late inside crescent [Terada & Emig] 2) think tornado "swingthru" and chuck the leg back around before hitting the floor [Prodigy & S. Vasquez] 3) think 540 "pivot" round [pivot suggests a narabong like Jayel's: tornado, pivot round...].

I for one execute all three variations, but I'm known to only endorse the use of methods 2 & 3 ["2" is for swingthru combos, "3" is for kicking combos]. You pretty much have to be a short guy [as in, a guy with relatively short legs] to pull method 1 off cleanly, and even still...it's hard to get both kicks face level.

Besides trying to accomplish the C9 Double by using method 1, there are two problems I see.

1.) You don't jump high enough [train explosiveness]
2.) You're kicks aren't sharp enough [train speed kicking, flick em' out and pull em' back]

If you can improve the rate both kicks turn over, then a greater amount of torque can be preserved throughout the technique [instead of dying after the first kick].

--> Good luck on this Shen...this trick is like the "Double Cork" of kicking tricks.


P9 Double

First and foremost...you gotta be "lightning fast" with your "pop-spins" and have strong abdominals to pull this trick off decently [we're not even talking about good]! The first kick must be razorblade-sharp, it's gotta cut through the air "like a hot knife through butter". The first kick should be finished before you even reach the peak of the jump.

At the peak, you have to initiate and complete the gyro before you start to descend. As you come down, there is gonna be a ton of resistance on your next kicking leg [due to torque], and it's gonna take nothing but abs to get that leg to sweep up and across again.

In the meantime practice Pop 360 Gyro's like crazy. Focus on getting that first kick out and over with. Practice Feilongs, the P9 Double is basically a Feilong with a gyro in between the kicks. Focus on getting both kicks out quickly...both should come out one after another and only take 0.5 seconds at the most! After drilling those, practice P9's, get the spin tighter and the kick higher, faster, and snappier.

--> Even if you do all of these, you will still have to spin throughout the technique. There --__ is no "spin - open - kick - close - spin - open - kick" not enough time in the world for --__ that! It's "I'm spinning - kick - still spinning - kick". You have to kick sharp and keep ---__ everything towards the inside/body to even stand a chance...

[shengoikee]

sessh that's awesome, thanks a lot for your input man, it's much appreciated. your post's mainly given me a clearer idea of the condition i need to be in to throw these - probly one of the main things i like to know.

ill see how i am after a coupla months with this in mind. gotta stop being a n00b before the TXT gather haha....

[biyak]

shen i noticed some thing when you pop 1080

you spin you pop 7 and then when you try to insert another spin

after half rotation you spot the ground and

its like you see some one you didn't see for ages you open up!


also it looks like on the same spin that you get of axis another thing that

might interrupt the trick!

:] maybe this might help :} GOOD LUCK!!!

[keven]

damn, I love it how sessh works out his posts with the color editings!!! You're much appreciated, man! Reading this thread has helped me, too! But I wanna help out as well, so I'll just work on what hasn't been mentioned yet. No one talked about your 720 triple yet,... but my suggestion is similar to the others, you need to work on your eye focus,.... and let the kicks follow. You seem to be putting too much effort willingly in the front (second) kick, that screws you over for the rest of the trick. I'd say, solidify your 720 double more, cause in vienna, we sometimes drill 720dbls and trpls together, and the one with the best trpl attempts is the one, who has really nice 720 doubles.(and thats not me, grr...)

As for the 900 double, again,.... you lost eye focus after the 540 kick. Your head sinks clearly, thus making you bend your upper body, and not being able to complete the kick. IMO, keeping focus is a major task in the tricking world. Almost everyone who claims to be able to 540 only kicks and lands with his back facing the target. That's no 540 rotation. I, for myself, really want to be looking forward after kicking. I know your 540s and they're really good, so try and land completely straight, with a full rotation, and you'll someday just pop the kick out, and later you can put more power into it, and be able to land on your kicking leg.

I remember when I first watched a sampler of yours and your kicks blew me away, so keep it up. You're one of my motivators, and with this I allow you to nail a 1080 kick before I do, cause I've been neglecting those ;)

I hope this helps.

[Electro]

http://www.trickingvideos.com/videos/Tricking_Moves/Jacknife


this guy does the jacknife pretty good

[tuareg]

Your jacknife was really good :good: . Your inside crescent kick was good too, and you only need to practice the kick more to get the right spin better.

Actually, your kicks where awesome and you dont have any problem with them nor the spin. Your landing is what you need to work on really. With more practice you will get the landing better too :wink: .

[sesshoumaru]

http://www.trickingvideos.com/videos/Tricking_Moves/Jacknife


this guy does the jacknife pretty good

Oh hell yeah...but that's actually a Swipeknife.

[TKD_Andy]

lol! like you struggle with jacknifes dave...

the rest are just practise. Ive seen looooads of vids of you doing 720 triples, you just need to get a better hook on the end and theyre fine.

[Gravityjay]

i for some reason find 720 triples easier than doubles, maybe cus if im kicking through the whole move i concentrate more, but meh i dunno

[alpha7158]

lol! like you struggle with jacknifes dave...

the rest are just practise. Ive seen looooads of vids of you doing 720 triples, you just need to get a better hook on the end and theyre fine.

Dave: i cant jacknife haha

and iv only done 720triple about 3 or 4 times