Vegetarien meals.

[NinjaCOB]

Hey, I'm currently a half-pussy (vegan is a total pussy) until summer. Then I'll go to butcher shops and ask them where they get their meat. Them I'll visit those cattle farms and that place where they kill em.

So, I'm vegetarien for a few months. What do I eat? ahha. I havent eaten meat in 2 weeks and it's easier then I thought. But I'dd still like to hear what you guys, snack on and eat that doesnt include meat.

yay.

[Rahf]

Are you a lactate vegetarian? As in you don't eat eggs, drink milk or anything like that as well?

[karatekid]

Get real.

[compleks]

Are you a lactate vegetarian? As in you don't eat eggs, drink milk or anything like that as well?

That would be a vegan.


Just eat chicken instead, I don't consider it to be a real meat. Or go and kill your own meat.


But seriously, I don't really know. You need to keep your protein intake up, so lots of dairy food, lentils, beans etc...
I've never really had to think about it.

[Lobo]

Just eat fish.

[Rahf]

That would be a vegan.


Just eat chicken instead, I don't consider it to be a real meat. Or go and kill your own meat.


But seriously, I don't really know. You need to keep your protein intake up, so lots of dairy food, lentils, beans etc...
I've never really had to think about it.

D'oh!

[Fanya]

A vegan is someone who doesn't eat anything that comes from an animal. This includes honey and other stuff besides dairy products.

[Snowbuddha]

yeah, a good question would be what do vegans really eat? animals, plants, it's all nature, so how come animals are seen as living things and plants are not?

if it's your diet then yeah, fish is nice. i dunno, go look up that vegan bodybuilder and check out his diet. veganmusclepower.com or something.

[Rahf]

yeah, a good question would be what do vegans really eat? animals, plants, it's all nature, so how come animals are seen as living things and plants are not?

if it's your diet then yeah, fish is nice. i dunno, go look up that vegan bodybuilder and check out his diet. veganmusclepower.com or something.

Plants don't piss on the couch/floor/expensive floormat/etc etc.

Plants don't smell iffy when they get wet.

Plants don't need to take a conventional piss or dump.

I can go on and on.

[Caveman]

Animals taste great.

[mr popular]

Animals are killed just as brutally in the production and manufacturing of crops for vegetarians.

Unless you are actually growing your own fruits, vegetables, and wheat/rice.... then i suggest you stop sucking at life.

Cruelty, brutality, and murder are a natural part of life and many mammals exhibit these traits regularly. Embrace it, lest you become a biological hypocrite, farting around with your guiltless little conscience, consuming one organism over another simply because of the shock value of one shitty movie endorsed by MOBY--the prince of all pussies.

[anfeyd]

Vegetarians do more harm to the enviorment than any meat eater due to intensive agriculture and the absurd demand for oil to fuel the machines, etc.

[Snowbuddha]

Plants don't piss on the couch/floor/expensive floormat/etc etc.

Plants don't smell iffy when they get wet.

Plants don't need to take a conventional piss or dump.

I can go on and on.

yeah? :) what has this got to do with anything? neither do sea creatures, insects, bacteria and i still regard them as living, breathing organisms.
few people live off what they produce themselves, so how do you know in what condition the food you put in your system has been produced?
i've come to the conclusion that what you're supposed to eat is all just crazy notions created not by yourself, but other people who protect their own interests. don't get me wrong, i don't see anything bad with vegetarianism in itself, i just don't get what difference my choice of this lifestyle would make when it seems few people give a shit about our planet and our future anyway.
that's why i feel we need to force-feed acid to all these sad excuses for humans, because money aint real.

[NinjaCOB]

Animals are killed just as brutally in the production and manufacturing of crops for vegetarians.

Unless you are actually growing your own fruits, vegetables, and wheat/rice.... then i suggest you stop sucking at life.

Cruelty, brutality, and murder are a natural part of life and many mammals exhibit these traits regularly. Embrace it, lest you become a biological hypocrite, farting around with your guiltless little conscience, consuming one organism over another simply because of the shock value of one shitty movie endorsed by MOBY--the prince of all pussies.


WOW! You know your shit man! I had never though of it that way before. You are quite the philosopher.

Listen you fucking dick. Answer the fucking question or get the fuck out of here. I'll break you in half so GTFO.


Vegetarians do more harm to the enviorment than any meat eater due to intensive agriculture and the absurd demand for oil to fuel the machines, etc.

Listen you fucking dick. Answer the fucking question or get the fuck out of here. I'll break you in half so GTFO.

Now that being said let me demolish you piece of shit argument.
Why don't you read a book you asshat. Where the fuck do you think the meat you eat comes from? How did it become meat? THE. FUCKING. COW. ATE. CROPS.
How you fail to realize this is beyond me.
Not to mention that 1/4 of the crops calories are lost when transformed into meat. So 100 calories in a steak cost 400 calories of wheat to produce. Had you eaten the wheat right off the bat, you'dd have 4x more.
If we stopped feeding livestock tomorrow we could feed the entire continent of africa and still had fuckloads left to fuck around with.
Start thinking before you post or I'll break your limbs.

[compleks]

Haha, best response ever.

The rage was intense. Cob is one vegetarian you don't want to fuck with.

[NinjaCOB]

haha.

Isnt annoying? You spend a long time thinking about something. And finnally something triggers your change of stance on a subject. Then some retard that hasnt thought about it more then 3 seconds says, well vegetarians pollute more.
ahha

Not to mention they completely ignore the point of the thread.

What they read: Guys, Should I become a vegetarian? What is your stance of eating animals?
What I wrote: Guys, name some vegetarian meals.

MAN!

edit: oh and I'm a temporary vegetarian. I'm checking out the slaughterhouses this summer. Then I'll keep meat in my diet if I actually KNOW it doesnt come from a shit farm. I realise you have to really on hear say in order to live you life. But if I can easily bypass it and see for myself, then hey! tits.

[mr popular]

Vegetarians are whining self-important pussies, especially NinjaCOB.

My girlfriend is a vegetarian. I'm used to dealing with weak people haha

[NinjaCOB]

Vegetarians are whining self-important pussies, especially NinjaCOB.

My girlfriend is a vegetarian. I'm used to dealing with weak people haha

Can your gf choke you out and heel hook both your legs while you are passed out? Bass Rutten actually did that in a bar once ahah
Is your gf hot? Cuz if you are passed out and in need of 6 months of physiotherapy, I can satisfy her. I mean shit you don't want her to cheat on you do you?

hooray for teh internets

[Triso]

funny thread. Achete toi des cannes de légumineuse pis criss en dans toute, sa torche des lentille pis toute.

[NinjaCOB]

funny thread. Achete toi des cannes de légumineuse pis criss en dans toute, sa torche des lentille pis toute.
haha k.
So far it's lentills ftw.

[mr popular]

BORING

[cepopeye]

I eat meat for the same reason i'm a patriotic american: I do what is most immediately pleasurable and rewarding to me without any heed whatsoever for the wellbeing of other living creatures. I read this PETA fueled pro vegan pamphlet the other day and it was talking so much about the suffering of animals i had to go to a chinese restaurant and order a dish with pork, chicken, AND beef to make sure i covered my bases

[Caveman]

I was on my way into college and a greenpeace person stopped me on my bike to try talking to me about greenpeace, I can't remember his first sentence but then I smiled and he looked at my hoodie which said "I club seals" on it and he stopped trying to hand me his leaflet haha.

[cepopeye]

I was on my way into college and a greenpeace person stopped me on my bike to try talking to me about greenpeace, I can't remember his first sentence but then I smiled and he looked at my hoodie which said "I club seals" on it and he stopped trying to hand me his leaflet haha.

sincere brilliance!

[Steve]

You guys don't understand, the most important thing in life is the ability to excuse your actions to someone else!!!!!!!!! Give COB his advice you ruffians!

[Andy Longcat]

2 lettuce leafs
1 slice of cheese


BAM instasandwhich

[Shikayo]

A lot of people think that you can't get all the amino acids the body needs to synthesise human protein from fruit and vegetables, but that's wrong. You can get all eight essential amino acids (the ones your body can't convert from other amino acids and therefore the ones that need to be supplied directly by your diet) from a wide variety of fruit and vegetables.

I'm not vegan, but some people I know make sure they snack on a wide variety of fruit and vegetables for this reason. In particular they have mango smoothies, as mangos are a good source of vitamin A, which you normally find in milk, eggs, liver and fish (only in small amounts though).

So yeah, wide varieties! Mango smoothies!

(...and papaya too!)

[anfeyd]

Now that being said let me demolish you piece of shit argument.
Why don't you read a book you asshat. Where the fuck do you think the meat you eat comes from? How did it become meat? THE. FUCKING. COW. ATE. CROPS.
How you fail to realize this is beyond me.
Not to mention that 1/4 of the crops calories are lost when transformed into meat. So 100 calories in a steak cost 400 calories of wheat to produce. Had you eaten the wheat right off the bat, you'dd have 4x more.
If we stopped feeding livestock tomorrow we could feed the entire continent of africa and still had fuckloads left to fuck around with.
Start thinking before you post or I'll break your limbs.

COB, while I generally admire your opinion, here is my argument back. While I did not give you an answer to your thread like many others that replied, I thought my post would make you think about why being a vegetarian would be productive because most that contemplate the lifestyle are idiots who think they are doing justice to the world.

Now, onward. It is true that the animals eat grains. However, this is unnatural. The only reason the animals I eat consume grains in their life is because we, the people, feed them it in terrible conditions because they have the uncanny ability to turn carbs into muscle. Argiculture (a vegetarians main sorce of food) is wasting energy. Cows eat grass, not wheat.

Humans take 40 percent of the worlds productivity yearly. And the animals are the ones who eat all of the food right? Wrong- almost 1/3 of the energy is just the shit lost when they clear land for farming. Cows are fine eating grass so this is stupid.

If you read my post you would have also noticed I mentioned intensive agriculture and how much oil based fertilizers are used to continue to farm the same piece of land.

But you are right: most of the energy is lost going to feed animals (i'm being serious). But by eating grass fed meat, it solves the problem.

If you want to be a vegetarian who relies on agriculture and youre doing it to protect animals: well, all of the animal's land is being destroyed and animals are killed so that they do not infest farms.

If youre doing it for energy reasons, well if you plan on eating any processed foods it takes 10 calories of fossil fuel energy per calorie of food processed. So, you can do the math on that one to see how 'energy efficent' it really is.

By the sounds of your original post though you are aware of the benefits to the world of eating grass fed beef. So, my post was more generalized to the majority of the vegetarian population. However, I do not think eating regular meat for 2 months will corrupt the world, so I wouldn't worry.

[NinjaCOB]

I eat meat for the same reason i'm a patriotic american: I do what is most immediately pleasurable and rewarding to me without any heed whatsoever for the wellbeing of other living creatures. I read this PETA fueled pro vegan pamphlet the other day and it was talking so much about the suffering of animals i had to go to a chinese restaurant and order a dish with pork, chicken, AND beef to make sure i covered my bases
A few months ago I would have said: lol that's baddass.
But now that I think about it. It's really not that funny haha.
You act as though you are getting back at the hippies by eating more meat. The hippy is not the one getting killed by your actions.
So it really is kinda pathetic when you think about it.
Maddox is still funny though.

I was on my way into college and a greenpeace person stopped me on my bike to try talking to me about greenpeace, I can't remember his first sentence but then I smiled and he looked at my hoodie which said "I club seals" on it and he stopped trying to hand me his leaflet haha.
Haha that's pretty funny.
Greenpeace is cool though. They do pretty cool stuff. I respect people that actually act on what they beleive. (exept religious people cuz I'm selective like that)


Now, onward. It is true that the animals eat grains. However, this is unnatural. The only reason the animals I eat consume grains in their life is because we, the people, feed them it in terrible conditions because they have the uncanny ability to turn carbs into muscle.
No argument there.


Argiculture (a vegetarians main sorce of food) is wasting energy. Cows eat grass, not wheat.
Like I said in the post, I'm going to check out the butcher shops, slaughter houses and farms this summer. So I'll know exactly who I want to support and what to stay away from.


Humans take 40 percent of the worlds productivity yearly. And the animals are the ones who eat all of the food right? Wrong- almost 1/3 of the energy is just the shit lost when they clear land for farming. Cows are fine eating grass so this is stupid.
Can you reformulate this plz? I'm not sure I understand.


But you are right: most of the energy is lost going to feed animals (i'm being serious). But by eating grass fed meat, it solves the problem.
:good:



Cool reply

About the pollution part, do you think agriculture pollutes more then the meat industry? I know the porc industry is one of the worst polluters here in Québec. But I have no clue about cattle and chickens. Do you have anything on this?

[cepopeye]

A few months ago I would have said: lol that's baddass.
But now that I think about it. It's really not that funny haha.
You act as though you are getting back at the hippies by eating more meat. The hippy is not the one getting killed by your actions.
So it really is kinda pathetic when you think about it.
Maddox is still funny though.


Maddox isn't funny anymore :bad:

i really really , really... REALLY don't give a shit about the animals feelings. REALLY.

[NinjaCOB]

Maddox isn't funny anymore :bad:
His old stuff is still funny. And that animal t-shirt is old.


i really really , really... REALLY don't give a shit about the animals feelings. REALLY.

Yeah it's easier that way.

[NinjaCOB]

i really really , really... REALLY don't give a shit about the animals feelings. REALLY.

Quick post.
Do you care about other humans feelings?
If not, then that's cool. Not much to love in humans anyway.
If so, Are you religious?
If so, your religion says animals don't have souls. So you would not be contradicting yourself.
If you are not religious and do care about humans feelings, why?
If you belive in evolution, we are all the same fucking thing. We are no different then animals really. We ARE animals. It's just that we can do math...

Hitler didnt care about jews. (lolocaust)

This might sound EXTREMELY hippish me saying Animals are just like humans. But it's actually scientific.

[Triso]

Ta tu vu le film "bacon"? Sa anéantie les porcherie.

And on an other note, I think cepopeye is really intelligent.

[NinjaCOB]

Ta tu vu le film "bacon"? Sa anéantie les porcherie.

C'tu ca qui nous montrais à LeBer?

Man! ahah cé dégeux ca. Quand il castre les p'tit cochons.
Pis ils montrent toute la marde qui va dans nos rivières.

[mr popular]

The website for "World's Healthiest Foods" or whatever it is has nutritional and ingredients information for all of their stuff, and would probably be a useful resource for a vegetarian pussy like yourself.

and if i remember correctly they actually have new meal ideas created fairly often, and some are bound to be vegetarian-oriented.

[NinjaCOB]

The website for "World's Healthiest Foods" or whatever it is has nutritional and ingredients information for all of their stuff, and would probably be a useful resource for a vegetarian pussy like yourself.

and if i remember correctly they actually have new meal ideas created fairly often, and some are bound to be vegetarian-oriented.

hahaha
K thanks man.

[Ashtar]

Shit I didn't even think about vegans avoiding honey, I guess that's another reason to avoid being one.

I wouldn't say vegetarians are half-pussies and vegans are full-pussies though. The pussiness is not being able to accept that animals suffer. Veganism isn't any pussier, it's more just either stupid (like not eating honey, because bees love making honey) or more deep-thinking in that they see supporting dairy cows supports the veal industry where they kill the baby males who are constantly born to keep the cow producing milk and supports the butchery of said dairy cow when they start to suck at it, so that being a straight vegetarian is kind of hypocritical so you should either go omnivore or go full vegan and stop pussyfooting around.

I mean cause really, any criticism leveled against the healthiness of meat gets leveled against dairy/eggs as well, and on a moral level you still support animal suffering.

Plus even a lot of vegans pussyfoot because they eat things that are massively farmed by machines which get animals caught in the blades, so they should really only buy things picked by hand.

Plus another thing is so many animals get put down due to overpopulation and lack of resources, so really, you should be adopting all the animals you can from the local Shelter/HumaneSociety/Pound so that they don't die, and feed them the carrots you were going to eat in your back yard.

Also you can't really neuter them because that's suffering (and they castrate the pigs in slaughterhouses!!!) and depriving them of part of their existance. So you keep feeding them... and you keep breeding them... but that's okay because we all possess infinite amounts of food, living space, and shit depositories.

Don't support any research that involves animal experimentation. Because that's just wrong. Some might say that it would hamper both the advancement of human medicine, and veterinary medicine, but that can't be true! Obviously the reason a lot of establishments still do it is because all biologists are sick fucks who get off on bashing in chimp brains.

Unfortunately, the cats you adopted are going to die if they don't get a source of meat, because it's essential to their diet. But it's okay if they eat chicken even if you can't. That, or you hate all animal carnivores and omnivores in addition to humans, which is respectable I guess, but then you hate cats and dogs and it's hard to defend that.

Man, Maddox owned this, I can't match him. For everyone one I'll eat three...

A lot of people think that you can't get all the amino acids the body needs to synthesise human protein from fruit and vegetables, but that's wrong. You can get all eight essential amino acids (the ones your body can't convert from other amino acids and therefore the ones that need to be supplied directly by your diet) from a wide variety of fruit and vegetables.Ha, the veggies love saying this. There are several problems though. Since none (cept maybe soy, and soy is disgusting) contain a complete amino acid profile, you basically need to research the amino acid content of various things to get a good balance, mixing and matching, to make sure you're getting enough.

Non-meat/dairy is in general often piss-poor in protein too, the prohibited things just often suck in having a nice ratio of protein with the carb/fats. Although, if you take the 'you don't need a lot of protein' stance that is acceptable (people probably do overestimate it).

Of course, making a habit of monitoring amino acid content is probably a good habit. Not super-important when you take in loads of protein because you're bound to hit them all, or if you take something suited to the human needs well like whey, but like when you're not, like how different animals' different body parts have different AA profiles, you might get strange ratios. If someone's in the habit of counting calories and protein calories then taking another step to count AA content (easy with excel or something right?) wouldn't be as big, though it still sorta would be a lot of micromanagement.

[NinjaCOB]

Should I reply to this?

Cuz it's rubbish ahha.
It's like sophism city!
There is a type of argument that is illogical. But at first glance/hearing, seems acceptable. This happens so often in day to day discussions that they had to give it a name.
THE SOPHISM!!
Fear it! For it is the best way to convince people of something irrational.
Good job ashtar.

[Ashtar]

Now, onward. It is true that the animals eat grains. However, this is unnatural. The only reason the animals I eat consume grains in their life is because we, the people, feed them it in terrible conditions because they have the uncanny ability to turn carbs into muscle. Argiculture (a vegetarians main sorce of food) is wasting energy. Cows eat grass, not wheat.

Humans take 40 percent of the worlds productivity yearly. And the animals are the ones who eat all of the food right? Wrong- almost 1/3 of the energy is just the shit lost when they clear land for farming. Cows are fine eating grass so this is stupid.

If you read my post you would have also noticed I mentioned intensive agriculture and how much oil based fertilizers are used to continue to farm the same piece of land.

But you are right: most of the energy is lost going to feed animals (i'm being serious). But by eating grass fed meat, it solves the problem.
While I can see how grass-fed beef can mitigate the problem, with aggressive farming (and capitalism always goes for cheapest) even grass can cause problems. People can clear land without grass and plant grass there to sell their grass-fed beef. They could also put too many cows who will eat all the grass, and then overgrow the grass and ruin the soil's nutrient profile the same way that happens with other crops. I suppose what it comes down to is how much the cost per calorie is for grain compared to grass. It's not something we've probably calculated since we usually only address human concerns and humans can't digest grass like cows.

If you are not religious and do care about humans feelings, why? If you belive in evolution, we are all the same fucking thing. We are no different then animals really. We ARE animals. It's just that we can do math... Hitler didnt care about jews. (lolocaust) This might sound EXTREMELY hippish me saying Animals are just like humans. But it's actually scientific.By this logic, we are the same fucking thing as all insects and bacteria and viruses too. You have to draw the line somewhere. To me, we can draw this on three criteria. One is the closeness to us in the gene pool. This includes protection of all humans, and our closest cousins the chimpanzee and the bonobo chimpanzee. The other is a history of companionship and serving non-meat roles and friendship with us. This includes dogs, cats, and horses. The last is being very intelligent, which not being an animal behaviourist or communicator I can't be the best judge of, but I would hazard a guess at the Dolphin and the Elephant at least. A lot of people say pigs and chickens are intelligent but I just don't see it, and either way, they are ugly and their image of being dirty foodstuffs is cemented in our minds. There's not really any risk of them going extinct and by farming them we have skyrocketed their populations far higher than they ever would have gotten without us. There are more net years of farmed animal lives active at any time due to us, so there's no problem with eating them.

I would also personally add a unique fourth category to include protecting the MegaBat from consumption. Not only do they have a cool name, but like us, they are fruit-eaters who cannot produce their own Vitamin C. They have enviably immense testicles for their mass (much like us), and like us they have much longer lifespans than other mammals their size, probably more due to their hibernation since their brain:body mass ratio isn't the largest on earth like a human's is. They also have echolocation which is fucking kickass and which blind humans try to tap into, it was mentioned on a blind rockclimbing movie, check 'human echolocation' on wikipedia. They also fly which is damn cool. Plus, who the hell eats bats? That's even worse than eating rodents. Even that guy on 'Interview with a Vampire' who ate that rat wouldn't eat a bat.

So, I'm vegetarien for a few months. What do I eat? ahha. I havent eaten meat in 2 weeks and it's easier then I thought. But I'dd still like to hear what you guys, snack on and eat that doesnt include meat.It's a shame few have addressed this! I think broccoli and cauliflower are excellent, healthy and very filling and will probably helf offset those estrogenic compounds you might consume from all the soy you will inevitably eat. Since you are only vegetarian and not vegan, you can smother them in cheese sauce. Cheese is great and has more protein in it than milk does, though some have transfats (how does that happen?) apparently so you gotta watch it. Olive oil or butter are okay for topping the veggies too. Grab the carrots and sweet potatoes to fill the fat cells (especially the ones under your skin) with beta-carotene both to protect from skin cancer and as an emergency Vitamin A deficiency preventor. Far superior to stock up on since you don't get toxic like direct Vit A so easily.

[NinjaCOB]

By this logic, we are the same fucking thing as all insects and bacteria and viruses too.

With that logic you are right. Unfortunatly I didnt really go into detail on this earlier.
Here are some of my criterias.
I think it has to be self aware.
Feel pain.
I think a minimum of intelligence too. (I don't think a cricket is sad when it's in a box waiting to be fed to a gecko, but I could be wrong ahah)

Those arent my criterias against killing mind you! I don't care about killing.
Those are my criterias against torture swingthrew killing.
Remember I don't mind animals dying.(Fuck I'll die eventually). I hate the fact that they live FUCKASS lives. To the point of going crazy.
I mean lions kill stuff. Why not us?
I've no problem with that. That's why I'll check out the meat sources this summer and chose where I buy my meat from.


There's not really any risk of them going extinct and by farming them we have skyrocketed their populations far higher than they ever would have gotten without us.

Of course since we pretty much created modern livestock through artificial selection.
This is irrelevant though. Hitler could have made Jew farms.


There are more net years of farmed animal lives active at any time due to us, so there's no problem with eating them.

1.Jew farms
2. eating ok, "net years" being tortured not ok.
And I hope you don't critize me for using the word torture. In many cases (not all of course) the animal does suffer physical and most often psychological torture. I'm really not trying to exagerate it by using this term.



It's a shame few have addressed this! I think broccoli and cauliflower are excellent, healthy and very filling and will probably helf offset those estrogenic compounds you might consume from all the soy you will inevitably eat.
haha Dude Antoine will kick my ass if I touch soy.
I remember when he opened my fridge and started yelling.
"dude wtf?"
"what?"
"SOY MILK!"

Oh and I also like having boners and doing sports. Not touching the estrogen!

[compleks]

Nobody bothers to read Ashtars rants anyway.

[Triso]

Nobody bothers to read Ashtars rants anyway.

it was the summum of stupidity.

[anfeyd]

All of the plant mass created by earth is called, "primary productivity." Humans alone consume 40 percent of this productivity (many people will respond, oh thats it? but we are one species out of millions). As you stated before a lot of this energy goes to feeding cows, but almost 1/3 of the primary productivity is the energy lost when they clear the forests.

I should mention that everything I posted is pretty much copied word for word from my notes which is pretty much word for word from an article called, "The Oil We Eat." It is an interesting article, definately biased on all agriculture.

[NinjaCOB]

All of the plant mass created by earth is called, "primary productivity." Humans alone consume 40 percent of this productivity (many people will respond, oh thats it? but we are one species out of millions). As you stated before a lot of this energy goes to feeding cows, but almost 1/3 of the primary productivity is the energy lost when they clear the forests.

I should mention that everything I posted is pretty much copied word for word from my notes which is pretty much word for word from an article called, "The Oil We Eat." It is an interesting article, definately biased on all agriculture.

So according to that, Would it be better to eat only meat?
Could we also sustain enough cows on plain grass? (can't do agriculture for them either)

[Steve]

One day COB, you are going to realize your mere existence is philosophically inexcusable, at which point you will finally drink the Kool-Aid.

[Scott]

Roight, avoiding all the back-and-forth shit, are you still going to eat eggs? What about tofu? Also, in California at least, there's a chain of supermarkets called Whole Foods that sell all this organic food, non-hormone injected chicken meat and such. If there's a Quebec equivalent you could go for it. If not come back down here, there's one right across the street from the mall.

[NinjaCOB]

One day COB, you are going to realize your mere existence is philosophically inexcusable, at which point you will finally drink the Kool-Aid.

haha!
I'dd rather die fighting the kool-aid dude. Sure he can smash through walls but I think his weekpoint is the actuall liquid.
I'l jump inside him and take a shit in the red stuff.
I also don't think his arms can reach in there.

And yeah, scott, I do eat eggs(omg such a hypocrite!) and I'll check everything out this summer.

[rock_ten]

Oh and I also like having boners and doing sports.

I remember those days :(

---

I eat eggs from a local farm, I buy them from the farmer. They're free range apparently, although I've never been to the farm. Maybe I should go. I asked if they're given any hormones or other drugs, and he said, in a crazy Yorkshire accent "Oo well erm, I mean I be no give 'em nothin but I dunno whats they pick up in the field like"

I used to get my meat from a butcher who owns their farms, and sell entirely grass-fed shit. Unfortunately the staff there are absolute fucks, always trying to overcharge me, and really threatening etc. I took my custom elsewhere, to another butcher. Their meat is local, but not all grass-fed, I think just in the summer. I have the name of their wholesaler, so I'd have to phone them and ask about all the farms they source from. It isn't ideal.

What I need is a local farm that I can visit and buy direct from. I have tried to find some but to no avail. There are loads of rabbits around here, and even bats, Ashtar. Maybe I should eat some of them. Man, last night I went to where the bats are and stood among them while they swooped around me. It was ownage.

I eat fish, too, if it is ocean-caught. I expect it is loaded with pollution but there's nothing I can do about that.

My butter comes from fucking New Zealand, I can't find any UK-sourced butter that is grass-fed. There isn't much space for grazing animals in the UK.

Fruit/Veg from a greengrocer who sells a lot of very local produce. That's valid to me, to - buying from local shops instead of supermarkets. As though not getting my pennies will make a difference to the supermarkets :/

TBH I don't see any way out of this fucking mess. Except dieing.

What would also work is some huge global natural disaster that fucks the rape out of gayconomies and ends civilisation as we know it.

Also, GMing myself to survive in this shitty world.

[cepopeye]

Quick post.
Do you care about other humans feelings?
If not, then that's cool. Not much to love in humans anyway.
If so, Are you religious?
If so, your religion says animals don't have souls. So you would not be contradicting yourself.
If you are not religious and do care about humans feelings, why?
If you belive in evolution, we are all the same fucking thing. We are no different then animals really. We ARE animals. It's just that we can do math...

Hitler didnt care about jews. (lolocaust)

This might sound EXTREMELY hippish me saying Animals are just like humans. But it's actually scientific.

Yes, i care about a human's feelings. And actually yes i'm religious. I think of it this way: The soul itself doesn't have to be anything etherial. The fact that we can figure out how chemicals make the brain work doesn't discredit the soul. So, i see human souls as being defined, physically, by the chemical processes in our brains. The fact that we can do math IS the fact that we have a soul. Because humans are obviously the only animals capable of what we are capable of, we are the only ones who have souls in a sense where it matters because souls ARE the chemical processes that make humans human. Now you can't look in a dog's loyal face and say there's nothing there: Dogs chemically approximate having a soul, and insofar as the human traits they possess, they possess those parts of a complete soul. Since they don't genetically have complete human traits, they don't have human souls because their souls aren't complete.

Here's where this philosophy gets rough: retarded people. If a human lacks human traits, does it have a bad (evil) soul? are retarded people by definition evil? How about abortion? does that mean the soul isn't formed yet?

I draw these lines based on what is almost an arbitrary natural morality. Similarly to how we naturally define it as bad to have sex with family members, there is an natural assotiation between members of the same species that makes veiwing them as less than human, even when that is the case in practical terms, unfair. In other words, humans are all in the same family and animals aren't. You love your family members, and you do stuff with people outside your family you wouldn't dream of doing with your family members (such as sex being okay, but incest being wrong). You love mankind, and you do stuff with creatures outside it that you wouldn't dream of doing with humans. Burgers, for example.

And so retarded people, while less than human mentally, still fall under this umbrella of interhuman bonds in that they are undeniably human offspring. Therefore, we have to still care about a person with weaker mental awareness than a pig (actually a very smart animal, as i'm sure you're aware COB) and we can kill and eat the pig.

I will add on a side note that pigs are the smartest of commonly eaten animals, and that the Bible technically says not to eat pork (which is why Kosher Jews don't). This could be a divine reference to the fact that destroying animals with greater portions of a soul is worse than destroying animals with no soullike traits, such as insects. This can be chalked up to the idea that the human soul is good, and therefore aspects of it even as found in animals are examples of pure good. If you follow this train of logic, its possible to arrive right back where you started as a vegetarian with a more focused moral compass as to the manner in which pigs are possess humanlike traits. Because of their humanlike traits, we should hurt intellences similar to the human soul as little as possible. I on the other hand, having quantified what constitutes a human soul, and having drawn the line between humanity and the animal kingdom, can mathematically justify it as less bad to make animals suffer than to make humans suffer

[Lobo]

"Jew farms", ha ha.

[NinjaCOB]

Capopeye.
Before I can reply to this, I need to have a better understanding of your definition of a soul. you seem to discribe it as the level of awareness. I'm I right?
And my other question is, what happens when you die? Does the soul you refer to keep "living?"

[cepopeye]

hmmm this is a good point. I still believe the soul is devine, but under my deffinition the existence of the soul can still happen with or without god, i just strongly believe that it was created because of the complexity. So as for that point there's no reason to bring creationism/evolution into this particular one, save that for the publicus. I think that obvioulsy right now we are living in a physical, tangible plane. Because of this i have a hard time believing in "Magic" and sortof reason that every manifestation of God is simple a fanatically complex process of chemistry or energy manipulation, god himself being a being of either pure energy or energy and matter who can manipulate what he has brought into existance in a way that exists within the laws of science, laws he formulated and can manipulate at will.

THE POINT IS: If we have souls, there is no reason they would be made of anything other than matter or energy, and no evidence in my oppinion that this would be possible. So, i think that we have souls and they are literally made of chemicals.

The bible describes heaven specifically as the world being destroyed and remade, and so there's a good chance that "heaven" will similarly be a physical plane. If you take the bible literally this is the case, and as for dead people today they havn't gone to a "better place", they are gone until judgement day, which will be between the end of this world and the creation of the next. In this instance, since the literal existance of the soul is composed of data based on chemical processes, you would have the same soul recreated as sort of a "duplicate" in the next version of earth, i.e. heaven. You will be in effect reincarnated. Because your dead, once you die you won't notice the passing of time. Its like how nights of sleep go by faster than days. So once you check out, you are gone until Judgement day, but it will likely seem like you die and then Bam, your there, because you'll have no way to experience the time that passed between your death and the world's end.

Whats unclear is whether the destruction of earth references the destruction of the planet or the universe. Its possible that it could mean either. The importance of this distinction is that if its just the planet, and the new planet is reborn into
THIS universe, then it would be bound by the laws of physics as we know them. If it is a new universe entirely, the laws could be rewritten so to speak. I feel that this is important because it determines what it means to live forever, biologically speaking.

If heaven is more like how many people visualize it (and this is wrong biblically and scientifically...), as a big intangible place in the sky existing simultaneously as our world, then we can think of the soul as once again being duplicated in this new environment, but in whatever form of matter or energy (the two are interchangable, hypothetically if scientiffically speaking god is an organism made of energy instead of matter, heaven could be a place made as such and inhabited by beings of energy, not physical matter).

[glide2]

Yes, i care about a human's feelings. And actually yes i'm religious. I think of it this way: The soul itself doesn't have to be anything etherial. The fact that we can figure out how chemicals make the brain work doesn't discredit the soul. So, i see human souls as being defined, physically, by the chemical processes in our brains. The fact that we can do math IS the fact that we have a soul. Because humans are obviously the only animals capable of what we are capable of, we are the only ones who have souls in a sense where it matters because souls ARE the chemical processes that make humans human. Now you can't look in a dog's loyal face and say there's nothing there: Dogs chemically approximate having a soul, and insofar as the human traits they possess, they possess those parts of a complete soul. Since they don't genetically have complete human traits, they don't have human souls because their souls aren't complete.

Here's where this philosophy gets rough: retarded people. If a human lacks human traits, does it have a bad (evil) soul? are retarded people by definition evil? How about abortion? does that mean the soul isn't formed yet?

I draw these lines based on what is almost an arbitrary natural morality. Similarly to how we naturally define it as bad to have sex with family members, there is an natural assotiation between members of the same species that makes veiwing them as less than human, even when that is the case in practical terms, unfair. In other words, humans are all in the same family and animals aren't. You love your family members, and you do stuff with people outside your family you wouldn't dream of doing with your family members (such as sex being okay, but incest being wrong). You love mankind, and you do stuff with creatures outside it that you wouldn't dream of doing with humans. Burgers, for example.

And so retarded people, while less than human mentally, still fall under this umbrella of interhuman bonds in that they are undeniably human offspring. Therefore, we have to still care about a person with weaker mental awareness than a pig (actually a very smart animal, as i'm sure you're aware COB) and we can kill and eat the pig.

I will add on a side note that pigs are the smartest of commonly eaten animals, and that the Bible technically says not to eat pork (which is why Kosher Jews don't). This could be a divine reference to the fact that destroying animals with greater portions of a soul is worse than destroying animals with no soullike traits, such as insects. This can be chalked up to the idea that the human soul is good, and therefore aspects of it even as found in animals are examples of pure good. If you follow this train of logic, its possible to arrive right back where you started as a vegetarian with a more focused moral compass as to the manner in which pigs are possess humanlike traits. Because of their humanlike traits, we should hurt intellences similar to the human soul as little as possible. I on the other hand, having quantified what constitutes a human soul, and having drawn the line between humanity and the animal kingdom, can mathematically justify it as less bad to make animals suffer than to make humans suffer

Your definition of the soul isn't the same as the religious one. You think of the soul as consciousness, which stems from neurochemical reactions in the brain, nothing supernatural there, and that makes us equal to other animals. Just because we've grown complex societies and destroy the environment with industrial madness, doesn't mean that we're superior to other animals and that it's morally correct to waste all natural resources just to overfeed our fat asses. The Bible said so, some bullshit like the animals and plants are there for humans to consume, blah blah blah... but the Bible is fucking outdated fictionary shit. If you meet with an hungry grizzly, the laws of nature will apply... God won't save your human ass, the grizzly will tear you apart; he doesn't give a shit if you know about evolutionary biology. Still think you're superior? Fact is, a human without technology dropped in nature will quickly realize that he sucks ass. A human gets killed by an unhappy tiger at a zoo and we treat it as a tragedy. Hey, what about the thousands of species that we wiped out by building all of our crap on their ecosystem? Isn't THAT tragic?

[cepopeye]

Your definition of the soul isn't the same as the religious one. You think of the soul as consciousness, which stems from neurochemical reactions in the brain, nothing supernatural there, and that makes us equal to other animals. Just because we've grown complex societies and destroy the environment with industrial madness, doesn't mean that we're superior to other animals and that it's morally correct to waste all natural resources just to overfeed our fat asses. The Bible said so, some bullshit like the animals and plants are there for humans to consume, blah blah blah... but the Bible is fucking outdated fictionary shit. If you meet with an hungry grizzly, the laws of nature will apply... God won't save your human ass, the grizzly will tear you apart; he doesn't give a shit if you know about evolutionary biology. Still think you're superior? Fact is, a human without technology dropped in nature will quickly realize that he sucks ass. A human gets killed by an unhappy tiger at a zoo and we treat it as a tragedy. Hey, what about the thousands of species that we wiped out by building all of our crap on their ecosystem? Isn't THAT tragic?

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[Steve]

[/faggot fag cunt ass]

[shengoikee]

[/el em ay oh]

edit: wow i didnt realise people had managed to talk about religion! haha

COB THREAD!

[cepopeye]

haha Cob brought it up

[shengoikee]

yeah i just read the thread and wasnt surprised at all hahaha

im too tired right now to get involved in this but i can relate to a lot of your posts cepopeye :good:

[cepopeye]

yea, people don't understand that i'm literally a Christian based on my veiws of science and not vice versa. I'm a creationist first, then out of the major religions boasting creators i think Christianity makes the most sense, esp in a bible focused context without the corrupt and just plain whacky interpretations of most of the major denominations.

Also, i go to Church to meet girls

[shengoikee]

im kinda similar but iv not been to church for a few years. i go with my parents when im at home sometimes but i guess i dont like to anchor myself to any one place.

i think one of the main reasons people resent christianity here so much is because they feel it threatens them. i mean, if they really dont believe in anything why should they care so much? haha.... it's not like anyone on this board ever posts openly about christianity anyway. i dunno... maybe this is one of the few places they can express themselves.

im a christian but im not on here reciting passages from the bible. i do however like to see people making informed and unbiased decisions.

[compleks]

My mum keeps telling me that I'm a Christian, so I told her that I renounce my Christianity. But apparently that's against the rules and I will always be Christian.

[NinjaCOB]

i mean, if they really dont believe in anything why should they care so much?

You are confusing Atheism with Nihilism.

Assuming you said:
i mean, if they really dont believe in a deity why should they care so much?
There are MANY reasons why we should care.
I can list them.
Or I can link you to a vid.
It's a great vid and I Wove it.

The root of all evil
part 1: The God Delusion
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4321574955310561251&q=root+of+all+evil

part 2: The virus of faith
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7619161192220036050&q=root+of+all+evil

Some people jerk off to porn, I jerk off to this docu.

[Lobo]

Yeah, religion is pretty harmful to society, civil liberty, scientific progress, peace, etc. Which is why people bitch about it.