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Karlnold
Apr-15-07, 03:51 AM
In the past two weeks I've been living on a totally new different diet. I used to have a classic low-fat, high-carb, high-protein diet, carbs filled the majority of my dinner plate. I ate seven times a day.

Now I've changed my diet so proteins play a bigger part in my daily calorie intake. Instead of letting proteins be a 35% part of my daily food consumption, I've raised it to about 65-85%, yesterday it was probably close to 90% because all I ate during the day was steaks and low-fat cottage cheese... After a few days with my new diet I started to feel some pain in my lower back after the meals, I guess it was the kidneys or liver. However, I solved this by drinking 7 litres of water each day. I now eat about 4-5 times a day, somehow I never really go hungry between the meals anymore, as I did on my previous diet, which I've had like for 5 years.

What I eat.(Roughly)

Red-meat: Veil, oxe, moose, deer, lamb etc.

Chicken, ostridge, turkey.

Eggs: whites

Fish, not that much though.

Cheese: mozzarella and low-fat cottage cheese.

I eat some fruit and vegetables, but not close enough to what is recommended.

Occasionally I eat a bowl of high-protein pasta, or rice to get some extra carbs, but it's usually very little.

I drink alot of milk and some juice, but mostly water.

I don't use any supplements of anykind.

I've learned that it's a pretty expensive diet, but it's mostly because the red-meat is expensive. I'm solving this by eating wild meat I've got stored in the freezer at home, when I run out I'll probably poach a deer or some hares. I'm also considering smaller mammals and rodents. As summer is closing in I'll live at my dad's summer house by the coast and I'll start fishing alot more, I have several spear-guns and harpoons and now I've got a reason for going on aquatic hunts, except for the enjoyment. I've also placed a few traps in the wilderness.

Effects/side-effects so far: Except for the lowerback pain, probably caused by a lack of water needed for digesting all that protein, I really haven't encounterd any serious side-effects so far, I get pretty tired after meal, but I usually solve this with a brief time of inactivity, or if I can, a nap. When I workout I'm actually having the same results, and I'm still gaining in the terms of lifting, I had a new personal best at BP the last workout. My bodyweight is standing still, but that's because I kept my calorie intake as with my other diet. I've also managed to lower my bodyfat without dropping weight, my jawmuscularity has also increased because of the amount of chewy red-meat I consume. I don't know why I'm on this diet, but I will continue on it until I'm forced to change it because of health reasons, if I drop below 200lbs, if I'm turning weaker, or simply get bored with it. Right now I'm feeling great.

I'll make a more detailed report in a few weeks when I can see some more "longterm" effects. Meanwhile I recommend everyone to follow my example, especially pregnant women.


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Birch
Apr-15-07, 03:58 AM
sounds stupid, irresponsible and extremeley dangerous....
I wanna do it!!!

and rodent meat, yum yum!!

Caveman
Apr-15-07, 04:23 AM
Poach bambi's mum and show the video to little kids, the response will be excellent I'm sure.

Kitosho
Apr-15-07, 04:34 AM
I so badly want to eat a moose.

compleks
Apr-15-07, 04:45 AM
Haha, awesome.

I love that when you run out of meat you just go and kill something.

Karlnold
Apr-15-07, 04:57 AM
I will, that's why I have to poach since it's not season, except for some birds... I probably won't get caught since I'll hunt at my dads lands. I've already set up an old stonecellar with a working freezer, I got some hooks in the ceiling and I'll be able to skin, slaughter and store the meat there.

I get pretty inactive after the meals, I've noticed that I digest the food faster and easier in a warm enviorment, it's still a little bit too cold outside to be lying in the sun, but I've gone and slept at the local solan a few times after some courses. I'm kinda sunbasking like some lizard or a crocodile. Now I know why lions always lay around sleeping on the Discovery channel.
Right now I appear to still get the carbs I need for my daily routines, otherwise my body would've start feeding of my muscles and I'd turned weaker right?

cepopeye
Apr-15-07, 04:58 AM
hahaha, wow i want to kill and eat anything

rock_ten
Apr-15-07, 05:53 AM
sounds fairly valid, Karlnold.

> Maybe you should eat more fat? All lean meats and low-fat dairy, there won't be much awesome fat in there. If only for the hormonal support, eat plenty of egg yolks, animal fat, whatever else. Olive oil is valid, fish oil when you're not eating much fish.

> Your post-prandial fatigue might be just that you're used to high-carbs all the time. For me, eating a load of carbs makes me tired, the opposite with protein/fat. If I eat oats for breakfast I'm done for the day, but 1200cals of eggs and butter makes me feel good.
.. also, maybe the milk? Milk has a sedative effect very commonly, it certainly does to me. Whether it's opiod peptides, melatonin content, or whatever.. I don't know, but it definately knocks me out. Try avoiding proteinaceous dairy for a few days and see if it changes anything.

> I tried very high protein levels for a few months, ~400g/day, but I don't think it benefitted me at all. Now I just get ~200, usually in 3 main meals of meat/eggs/fish and then whatever else I find during the day. I'll post some threads with other people's experiences.
I guess it depends a lot on what kind of training you do.
If I could afford it, I'd eat much more meat, but since it doesn't make much difference, if any, I save my $

> as for carbs, just eat as much as you need to to feel good. If you get tired etc in a few days then eat an absolute rapeload of carbs after one of your workouts. If you train a lot, I'd just eat carbs after every workout (a few 100g) and then your meaty diet the rest of the time.

shengoikee
Apr-15-07, 05:59 AM
dude, dont eat so much protein haha.... seriously!

good job with the hunting though hahaha

Nabil
Apr-15-07, 09:38 AM
ya id say add some fats from almonds / olive oil/ natural peaunut better etc u know.
Itll help control cholesterol levels. As well as some other shit im sure

Lobo
Apr-15-07, 09:48 AM
This is madness.

Steve
Apr-15-07, 09:49 AM
Haha you can use a noose to capture some birds

compleks
Apr-15-07, 05:23 PM
What traps did you set? For what animals?

How do you prepare an animal after killing it? Do you have to bleed it, then skin it?

I find this very interesting.

Steve
Apr-15-07, 05:32 PM
No you don't even have to do shit to small mammals haha, you can just cook its corpse. You have to avoid things like their kidneys though obviously. With birds you have to pluck them. Karlnold probably set up some snare traps or a figure four or something, trying to get squirrels or rabbits... Little does he know that they don't provide all essential vitamins and fats.

shengoikee
Apr-15-07, 05:41 PM
he just wants to be like conan. let him do what he wants haha

pete_man_man
Apr-15-07, 06:07 PM
conan is muss muss muss muss muss LALALALALALALALAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Karlnold
Apr-16-07, 03:11 AM
What traps did you set? For what animals?

How do you prepare an animal after killing it? Do you have to bleed it, then skin it?

I find this very interesting.

Right now I just have a baited cage where the door slams everytime something triggers the spring attached to the bait in it. I guess I can get foxes and badgers in it, I don't know if I want to eat them though. The smallest animals I eat right now are hares.

No you don't even have to do shit to small mammals haha, you can just cook its corpse. You have to avoid things like their kidneys though obviously. With birds you have to pluck them. Karlnold probably set up some snare traps or a figure four or something, trying to get squirrels or rabbits... Little does he know that they don't provide all essential vitamins and fats.

Ha ha, Steven is right, but I do know that I don't get all the essential vitamins, minerals and fats. I've read alot about nutrition in my days and my former diet was very balanced and my health was pretty much perfect.
I know it's a very unhealty diet, I already suspect I'm a bit sick, I just do it because I feel like it, curious about how long I can live like this

he just wants to be like conan. let him do what he wants haha
If I wanted to be like Conan I'd drown my self in carbs...



I'll post pictures of the animals I've killed and my physique at the end of the diet...

Cona-meister
Apr-16-07, 05:08 AM
he just wants to be like conan. let him do what he wants haha

Every time I see my name I get a little confused until i realise people are talking about the awesome one. I'll get there though ...

The diet sounds interesting. I would love to try that, but I don't know that I'd be able to get away with hunting kangaroo on the local reserve :\

Bertovo
Apr-16-07, 05:00 PM
I so badly want to eat a moose.

In my experience it isn't all that tasty.

Rahf
Apr-17-07, 06:50 AM
In my experience it isn't all that tasty.

It's chewy, but it works wonders in stew and coupled with something besides just the actual moose meat.

Karlnold
Apr-17-07, 06:58 AM
It's prefectly fine as it is... raw and fleshy...

Ho... I think I'll have to cut down on the protein guys... I don't feel too well... And I've had strange dreams... Tonight I'm gonna eat chicken with rice and alot of veggies...

Rahf
Apr-17-07, 07:09 AM
It's prefectly fine as it is... raw and fleshy...

Ho... I think I'll have to cut down on the protein guys... I don't feel too well... And I've had strange dreams... Tonight I'm gonna eat chicken with rice and alot of veggies...

I reckon the cholesterol has shot abit. Plus that your kidneys will have worked overtime during that diet. If you've been off carbs for more than say, 72 hours you should be having ketosis (or however you spell it, ketogena kroppar in Swedish).

Eat some carbs and be proud that you have been a true wildlife eater for the past days!

Karlnold
Apr-17-07, 07:39 AM
Past days? I've eaten wild-meat exclusively for the latest days but I've had close to a carnivores diet for almost 2 and a half week... I'll continue with a extreme protein diet though I'll eat a little more carbs and veggies more often... Half of my daily caloric intake will still be 50% meat... The main problem was lower side back pain, kidneys... I don't know if this is possible but it seems like my catabolism has been way lower during this diet... I've tried to find a name for this kind of diet but I haven't found any...

Lobo
Apr-17-07, 08:05 AM
It sounds vaguely like rabbit starvation.