Quick long question

[tuareg]

I do a minimum of 200 push ups everyday. The first 100 i do as a warm up for training, and i usually do sit ups, stretching after the first 100 push ups. The sit up + stretching sessions take up 2 hours daily. So then after all that i practise my kicks for another 1 hour, and after it all, i do another 100 push ups. So i have about 3 hours between the two 100-100 push ups.

My question would be the following. Wich one is better, if i do the 100-100 push ups after each other (say 100, and 5-10 minutes later another 100), or if i stay with the standard, 100 push ups after training? Because i know that if i do 100 and another 100 after each other, then its exhausting me, wich is good. But if i do it after training then i have more power for them, so i can put a lot more power into the remaining push ups.

Wich one is better?

[Kibs]

Oxymoron anyone?

Anyways, if you trick, you should be training for explosive power, not endurance. This means under 12 reps. If you're training for parkour, then I would do them in sets like the first one you described.

[tuareg]

So having 3 hours between the two is better?

[Pale Nimbus]

The effectiveness of your training strategy depends on how well it leads you to a pre-determined goal.

[tuareg]

Thats why i started this thread. I've been doing more and more push ups throughout a year (40 then 80 then 120) and i noticed that my muscles have gotten a lot more ripped, so 200 will get me much more ripped. Im asking of wich one of the two methods gets me better results. Opinions?

[Rigo]

Is your goal to get ripped?

[compleks]

Pushups will not give you visible results.

[tuareg]

It does if you do it alot. My shoulders for instence have gotten very ripped, and my biceps and triceps have gotten bigger too. I think it depends on what kind of body structure you have and what weight are you. Kinda.

[Trickstar]

Getting offtopic a bit, they are right. Push-ups and sit-ups just plain suck. You need variation. Eventually, your body will cob and you will not get really good gains. But too answer your question, I think you should split it up to like 20 then another 5 minutes do another 20. It all depends on how much time you got and how much you can do at one time, something like that. Also, if you are doing push-ups to get "ripped" or stronger I suggest that you don't do so many push-ups. Doing more doesn't mean you will get or ripped or stronger. All you are doing is increasing your risk of injury. On the other hand, if you are doing it to increase your max repetition then go ahead do as much as you can in one set and do it again as soon as possible.

[Rahf]

Initially your push-ups and sit-ups equal muscle tonus. The actual growth is probably not really present. Also you're thinking in terms of "more is better" which is not necessarily the case (and definitely not with push-ups). Your shoulders, biceps and triceps getting ripped are most likely because as stated above, you have achieved a certain amount of muscle tonus and if you rest that for a week, it'll recede back to what it was before.

[anfeyd]

Do some body rows if youre doing that many pushups.

[AJCN]

Pushups will not give you visible results.

Well I never :(

[tuareg]

Your shoulders, biceps and triceps getting ripped are most likely because as stated above, you have achieved a certain amount of muscle tonus and if you rest that for a week, it'll recede back to what it was before.

Yeah, but isnt that the same with stronger people? I mean, we have to strengthen ourselves in order to stay strong. Body builders do the same. If they would rest weight lifting, they would loose muscle too. It would take longer for them though, i reckon (loosing of muscle).

Edit: Btw, i have gotten my triceps, biceps, and shoulders ripped since a pretty long time now (half a year). Im wanting to get it even more ripped.

[Rahf]

Bodybuilders have built lean muscle mass, they wouldn't lose anything besides the actual tension acquired through constant training. Just by tensing your biceps will make you instantly achieve muscle tonus. Do you think Antoine would look like you if he didn't train for a month? I sort of doubt it abit you know.

Muscles don't start to break down until maybe a month without training, or so I've heard, granted you still eat enough food to stay on the same weight.

[tuareg]

Just by tensing your biceps will make you instantly achieve muscle tonus. Do you think Antoine would look like you if he didn't train for a month? I sort of doubt it abit you know.

Yeah, but he's a pro body builder who is over 20 (i think). A 16 year old kid cant live up to that :wink: .

[Honken]

You don't really know anything about training in general do you? I'm not saying that I know it all, because I don't, but doing 200 pushups and situps everyday 365 days a year to get ripped and strong isn't really a good idea. You must have a huge muscle-imbalance in your upperbody, not to mention being on the verge of getting a nasty overtraining injury.

[tuareg]

Im not getting overtrained. I might be 16 but i know whats good for me and what isnt. In fact, 200 isnt enough anyways. But i've been taking time in doing push ups, and doing more and more push ups by small and small. I didnt just get down and done 200 even when i couldnt. Im at the point of being able to do it by now. And i dont have muscle-imbalance.

[Rahf]

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

I want you to briefly tell me why Honken would think that you have a muscle imbalance and then an explanation as to why you don't have it.

[anfeyd]

He doesnt have muscle imbalances because his horizontal pulling muscles are obviously getting a tremendous workout via pushups. Come on Rahf, of all people I expected you to know better.

[tuareg]

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

I want you to briefly tell me why Honken would think that you have a muscle imbalance and then an explanation as to why you don't have it.

Well, just because i push myself to my limits everyday doesnt insantly mean i have muscle imbalance. I train my upper body very much, yes, but i train other parts of my body just aswell.

[NightHunter]

Specifics?

Also, there's nothing wrong with pushups, but you still need to have a progressive loading scheme. If he jsut wants more endurance, then he's on a great track. If you add weights to pushups they're fine. The exercise itself is actually a quite good one, but you need to increase the load to keep seeing gains.

[Pale Nimbus]

Tuareg, your posts seem to indicate that you have no idea what Rahf/Honken are talking about when they talk about muscle imbalance.

Also, if I understand you correctly, your question is "Which will help me get more ripped, doing 200 pushups all at once, or doing 100 pushups, then resting, then doing 100 at a later time?" Would that be accurate?

[twist]

Why would doing craploads of pushups put him at risk for injury? If hes building em up, like hes said over time, then seems like he can handle it and its not overtraining.

In my opinion, if pushups have been working for you, and you like doing em, just do em how you like. If its harder to do all 200 at once, sure do that. Or you could do like 150, then later 150. Whatever. Or you could put on a backpack full of shit and do pushups with that. Thatll take less time to tire your muscles out and put more stress on them.

A couple questions for you all:
If you do craploads of pushups and your triceps get big, will your biceps respond and get slightly bigger as well even though theyre not being exclusively used?
and
How would one tell that you had a muscle imbalance, can you feel it?

Also, if hes active, its not like hes NOT going to be using his biceps as well, teenagers are pretty active in general, climbing over stuff, carrying shit, lifting heavy stuff, whatver. I dunno about the muscle imbalance here

anyways

[chicanerous]

I have no idea if this is even a problem, considering we haven't seen the rest of the OP's training schedule, don't know his level of strength on comparative exercises, and cannot give a physical diagnosis of his posture, but to answer your questions:

Why would doing craploads of pushups put him at risk for injury? If hes building em up, like hes said over time, then seems like he can handle it and its not overtraining.
Overtraining is not the issue.

A couple questions for you all:
If you do craploads of pushups and your triceps get big, will your biceps respond and get slightly bigger as well even though theyre not being exclusively used?

No.

Also, size is not the issue here.

How would one tell that you had a muscle imbalance, can you feel it?
Muscular balance can be determined by testing strength on comparative lifts. In this case, a push-up vs. a body row (with feet elevated to height of hands).

An imbalance of horizontal pressing to pulling is particularly troublesome because, if the muscles of the back (primarily the ones that work to retract the scapula) are not strong enough to counteract the strength of the chest and anterior delts, this drastically increases the likelihood of shoulder injury. More important, a strong chest and anterior delts vs. a weak upper back will pull the shoulders forward causing chronic problems with flexibility, which has an even great propensity for causing injury. Merely stretching these muscle groups has little effect as long as the strength imbalance still exists.

Also, if hes active, its not like hes NOT going to be using his biceps as well, teenagers are pretty active in general, climbing over stuff, carrying shit, lifting heavy stuff, whatver. I dunno about the muscle imbalance here

anyways
Biceps vs. triceps is not the issue here.

[tuareg]

Tuareg, your posts seem to indicate that you have no idea what Rahf/Honken are talking about when they talk about muscle imbalance.

Also, if I understand you correctly, your question is "Which will help me get more ripped, doing 200 pushups all at once, or doing 100 pushups, then resting, then doing 100 at a later time?" Would that be accurate?

I know what a muscle imbalance is. I do a crazy load of pushups, but my body can handle it. I would feel if it couldnt.


And yes, that was my question :punched: .

[compleks]

I know what a muscle imbalance is. I do a crazy load of pushups, but my body can handle it. I would feel if it couldnt.


And yes, that was my question :punched: .

Maybe you should explain what a muscle imbalance is, because it still appears as though you have no idea.

[-Pat-]

Btw, i have gotten my triceps, biceps, and shoulders ripped since a pretty long time now (half a year). Im wanting to get it even more ripped.

This would have more to do with the fact that you're going through a different stage of puberty.

[tuareg]

I admit that at first i didnt know. I always knew what a muscle imbalance was, i just didnt know what it meant in english. I thought it was that my body isnt evenly trained everywhere lol.

This would have more to do with the fact that you're going through a different stage of puberty.

I dont think so. Its not those muscles that grow with puberty. Its more of those muscles that grow with training. They look different.

[-Pat-]

I don't think you understand haha. This point is not debatable.

[tuareg]

I don't think you understand haha. This point is not debatable.

Well, im pretty sure that what i have gained was with push ups and not to do with puberty. But thats just my opinion.


Edit: where going off-topic as fuck.

Edit 2.: I dont think most of the people understand my point either lol.

[Pale Nimbus]

I know what a muscle imbalance is. I do a crazy load of pushups, but my body can handle it. I would feel if it couldnt.


And yes, that was my question :punched: .

Your ability to do a crazy load of pushups does not mean you do not have a muscle imbalance. Read Chicanerous' post carefully to understand what other people are talking about when they refer to muscle imbalances.

Also, I'm not sure I can answer the question you asked in your original post, because it seems that you have a different understanding of "ripped" then everyone else. Could you explain what you mean when you talk about getting "ripped"? I'm just trying to make sure you are on the same page as everyone else, that's all.

[tuareg]

By ripped i meant having stringy muscles. When your muscles have lines crossing over them. Thats what i meant by ripped. Although im pretty sure that its not what it means :sad: .

[Trickstar]

Basically, you want to be cut. Go on the web and look for cutting guides and such. That will give you your "lines cross your body". As for stringy muscles, what is that suppose to mean? Do you mean flexible muscles? If your not stretching you won't have "stingy" muscles.

PS. Isn't muscle imbalance when a muscle or group of muscles way stronger/bigger than the others? I think I may have muscle imbalance if that is the definition. My biceps are almost as big as my triceps. How sad...

[Rahf]

Chicanerous explained everything about muscle imbalance. To simplify it even more: Training your chest without training your back will lead to injury and an ugly physique due to muscle imbalance. In the long run.

Being ripped means having achieved muscle definition, for that to happen you either need to have >10% bodyfat or a decent amount of muscle (preferably both). Skinny kids have their type of skin and bone definition.

Anfeyd, I'm sorry I didn't think twice, I don't know what's wrong with me *sob*

Tuareg: Post a pic of your ripped shoulders/tris/pecs and you'll receive an honest review from me.

[tuareg]

I have about 4 pics of me on my mobile but i dont have a cable yet. I'll buy one soon and if this thread has died by then, i'll start another one with my pictures.

My muscles are not growing by now. I cant add more muscle now because i have already worked up what i had (feel free to correct me if im wrong here). So instead of growing more and bigger muscles, my shoulders and arms are getting stringy. Stringy as in having these muscle lines crossing it.


Edit: So, ripped muscles mean bulky muscles? Not too bulky but defenetely big, right?

[chicanerous]

I have about 4 pics of me on my mobile but i dont have a cable yet. I'll buy one soon and if this thread has died by then, i'll start another one with my pictures.

My muscles are not growing by now. I cant add more muscle now because i have already worked up what i had (feel free to correct me if im wrong here). So instead of growing more and bigger muscles, my shoulders and arms are getting stringy. Stringy as in having these muscle lines crossing it.

Edit: So, ripped muscles mean bulky muscles? Not too bulky but defenetely big, right?
Stringy is dependent on your overall level of BF%, except for the temporary condition PWO when your muscles are pumped with blood, which brings out definition better (in certain musclegroups) than a nonpumped state. Your muscles will not get more stringy by doing more push-ups. They will get more stringy if you lose overall fat.

This is related to the myth of spot-reduction.

[Cicero]

Why do you guys even bother? Touareg obviously won't listen that massive reps will not give him strenght. He has been told countless tiems and he's still defending his thesis. If he doesn't wanna switch to a more productive schedule it's his fault.

And Touareg stop being a whiny bitch. DOING 100 PUSHUPS A DAY WILL NOT MAKE YOU STRONGER! All it does is give you endurance.

However, if you do 2 sets of 5 reps of one-handed pushups a day and 2 sets of 5 reps of pistols a day, your strenght will skyrocket.

Now shut up and chew on that. DO NOT EXCEED 5 REPS PER SET! And if 5 reps of one-handed pushups (with correct form) are too easy for you, raise your legs on a chair and make it harded.

Until you're able to do more than 5 one-handed handstand pushups you can't complain. I was contemplating to say that you should go fuck yourself.... But I wont.

Good luck.

[Rahf]

Welcome to the training forum Cicero! Btw I was just informed that I have a cousin studying in Montreal. Just felt like splurting out something random.

[Wesker]

So, ripped muscles mean bulky muscles? Not too bulky but defenetely big, right?

No, "ripped", or the definition of "being ripped" refers to a body with low bodyfat, making the existing muscles more defined.

You should just throw out everything you ever knew about physcial training and go read up on the real stuff. A good start is some of the articles on this forum.

[Honken]

This reminds me of what my stepdad did when he was young. He would first choose an excercise, example being the pushup. On day one he would go to failure, and then each day he would add one rep onto what he did on day one. Then continue adding one rep everysingle day for all eternity...

...or more specific, until he got a back injury (scapulae) and quit.

[tuareg]

Why do you guys even bother? Touareg obviously won't listen that massive reps will not give him strenght. He has been told countless tiems and he's still defending his thesis. If he doesn't wanna switch to a more productive schedule it's his fault.

And Touareg stop being a whiny bitch. DOING 100 PUSHUPS A DAY WILL NOT MAKE YOU STRONGER! All it does is give you endurance.

However, if you do 2 sets of 5 reps of one-handed pushups a day and 2 sets of 5 reps of pistols a day, your strenght will skyrocket.

Now shut up and chew on that. DO NOT EXCEED 5 REPS PER SET! And if 5 reps of one-handed pushups (with correct form) are too easy for you, raise your legs on a chair and make it harded.

Until you're able to do more than 5 one-handed handstand pushups you can't complain. I was contemplating to say that you should go fuck yourself.... But I wont.

Good luck.

And hello to you too! By the way, its tuareg. And actually, im taking the advices i read here into my training, so before you go bashing someone on an internet forum and feeling pleased about yourself, listen to the person first. I didnt come here to say my workout schedule is perfect. I didnt. I came here to ask questions, and advices. And when did i say im building strength with those big amounts of push ups? For push ups im building endurance, but im building strength with other things aswell.

[Rahf]

And hello to you too! By the way, its tuareg. And actually, im taking the advices i read here into my training, so before you go bashing someone on an internet forum and feeling pleased about yourself, listen to the person first. I didnt come here to say my workout schedule is perfect. I didnt. I came here to ask questions, and advices. And when did i say im building strength with those big amounts of push ups? For push ups im building endurance, but im building strength with other things aswell.

Such as?

Cicero is entitled to bash you all he wants, TT is not policed by your typical boring neighbourhood mods. Our mods are actually cool.

Kissing ass.. How I hate to do it, but it IS the truth.

[tuareg]

Such as?

Cicero is entitled to bash you all he wants, TT is not policed by your typical boring neighbourhood mods. Our mods are actually cool.

Kissing ass.. How I hate to do it, but it IS the truth.

I do one handed push ups, handstand push ups (not one handed), and pull ups too.

[Honken]

do a minimum of 200 push ups everyday. The first 100 i do as a warm up for training, and i usually do sit ups, stretching after the first 100 push ups. The sit up + stretching sessions take up 2 hours daily. So then after all that i practise my kicks for another 1 hour, and after it all, i do another 100 push ups. So i have about 3 hours between the two 100-100 push ups.

For push ups im building endurance, but im building strength with other things aswell.

Where do you find the time to do that then?

[tuareg]

Where do you find the time to do that then?

I do then during day time (i train at 9-11 or 12). If i would do them during my training, i may not be able to do the push ups as good as originally. I didnt include them (though i will from now on) into my daily night training, because it doesnt take up as much time as the sit ups and push ups.

[Cicero]

And when did i say im building strength with those big amounts of push ups?

You said so right here:

I mean, we have to strengthen ourselves in order to stay strong.

Besides, your inital post was a workout for tricking which equals to strength training. Unless you're participating for the Guiness world record in number of pushups, they will not help you in any way. And as somebody else stated, you'll get screwed over in the long run.

Take to heart that some of the people here do have vast knowledge about this subject.




And Rahf, maybe I can meet your cousin and initiate him to tricks :)

[Rahf]

You said so right here:



Besides, your inital post was a workout for tricking which equals to strength training. Unless you're participating for the Guiness world record in number of pushups, they will not help you in any way. And as somebody else stated, you'll get screwed over in the long run.

Take to heart that some of the people here do have vast knowledge about this subject.




And Rahf, maybe I can meet your cousin and initiate him to tricks :)

"He" is a she meng!

[tuareg]

Yes, i did say "strengthen ourselves", but it was on another subject. Not a question of me only doing strengthening, or only doing endurance training. And besides, im not doing this for tricking.

And i think you guys misunderstood me very much. Now that i gained 100 push ups, i'll keep doing the same amount everyday for a pretty long time, until i'll get better and able to do more. Its not like im doing 100 now and tomorrow i'll be doing more because i do crazy amounts of push ups. I go small by small, i always did. It took me time to get to 100.

[Rahf]

tuareg I think you've missed the entire point of this 4 page long discussion. I will not post any replies with sensible or on-topic content in this thread anymore.

[AJCN]

So are you lot saying doing push ups do not help promote muscle growth?

[Pale Nimbus]

Tuareg, I seriously doubt that the endurance gained from doing 100 pushups is helpful in any way, shape, or form to your primary activity.

[tuareg]

tuareg I think you've missed the entire point of this 4 page long discussion. I will not post any replies with sensible or on-topic content in this thread anymore.

Fine enough. I know that push ups work and i whont try to explain it to people who think otherwise. You do it your way, i do it mine.


To people who will post in this thread in the future: please, only post if you have anything ontopic to add.

[anfeyd]

Fine enough. I know that push ups work and i whont try to explain it to people who think otherwise. You do it your way, i do it mine.


To people who will post in this thread in the future: please, only post if you have anything ontopic to add.

It's funny because everyone in this topic is trying to explain to you proven things, where you are trying to prove to us unproven things.

[tuareg]

Proving unproven things???? How the fuck do you do that? Im only asking questions, trying to gather information, wherelse i get quoted for every single post i make. Exactly where did i try to prove anything unproven?

[compleks]

"He" is a she meng!
You probably shouldn't have mentioned that part.

Proving unproven things???? How the fuck do you do that? Im only asking questions, trying to gather information, wherelse i get quoted for every single post i make. Exactly where did i try to prove anything unproven?
Shut up already. Why did you even post here if you weren't going to take anyones advice?

Stop being so defensive about your pushups. So you can do alot of them, congratulations! Try listening to what some of the people here are saying, instead of trying to defend yourself.

If you enjoy doing the pushups, that's all you have to say.

[tuareg]

Shut up already. Why did you even post here if you weren't going to take anyones advice?

I so fucking really said i am taking a lot of advices from what i hear here. And im not acting defensive about my push ups. Im trying to clear things up. But why the fuck am i trying to explain?

[compleks]

Relax chief.

[-Pat-]

Hey tuareg are you hungry ahahahahaha

[tuareg]

Ahahahhaahhha


What are you, twelve?

[compleks]

Haha, double SNAP!

[Cicero]

"He" is a she meng!

SAY WHAT!?

DUUUDEE!!!

A swedish girl in Montreal!?

I wanna talk to her :)

[Rahf]

SAY WHAT!?

DUUUDEE!!!

A swedish girl in Montreal!?

I wanna talk to her :)

She's arabic though. I haven't had contact with her in years. But I could possibly do something about that I guess..

[Cicero]

:] I'd love it if you did.