Danger

[Bertie]

Right. Ok. I like to do my tricks wherever I can. I like to do lots of flips and variatons. But. I do them on really hard floor like at leats once or twice a week. Sometimes three times. Isn't doing these landings ( like a layout) bad for your knees or ankles or something? Can't you like hurt yourself from landing a really agressive layout? Also, if i did a pass ( like front flip > roundoff > back handspring > back layout) on a really hard floor i.e. concrete, could this be bad for my legs. Cause I did this last night, and now I think I've done some minor injury to my knees. I don't know if it's in the bone or muscle. But then again I was doing lots of other stuff that night, like conditioning. The knees don't hurt at all doing anything unless I walk DOWN the stairs. Has this happened to anyone else? Could it be caused by this landing TOO hard on hard floor, or something else I was doing?

P.S. How low down can I land things without blowing my kneecaps, just so I know and don't accidentally land something TOO low.

Thanks.

[Bertie]

Anyone?

[Surge]

You will have bad legs if you trick on concrete that much. =[
Where abouts in England do you live?

[Bertie]

Do you mean like permanent damage? Is there anyway to be able to trick on concrete without damage?

[Dragonic MiKe]

uh... It depends.

A layout is a pretty poor choice for concrete though. Flash or tuck would probably give you a more comfy landing.

[Bertie]

How long would it take to give permanent damage?

[Dragonic MiKe]

How long would it take to give permanent damage?

You could just not trick on concrete very much.

Why are you so intent on training on concrete anyway?

[DYoo]

just like any sport, the more you injure yourself, you are more prone to permanently damage yourself, in this case your knees.

[thereid]

Forget about what trick your doing, as long as you can do it well your fine, and maybe bend your knees a little more upon landing.

[Dragonic MiKe]

Forget about what trick your doing, as long as you can do it well your fine, and maybe bend your knees a little more upon landing.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. So long as you can do the trick easily then it shouldn't be any more dangerous than doing it on grass.

The examples I gave (tuck/flash) were based on my own personal preference for softer landings. :wink:

[skywalker]

Only reason layouts are more dodgy for knees is becuase it's harder to get round as much. If you got a good layout there's not that much of a problem.

If you're that worried, condition your legs.

Also, gaining Sessoumaru's text editing skills won't give you his layout skills.

[hamelkarl]

front flip on concrete. You crazy dumbass! I hope you know very well how to have a soft landing!

[twist]

land on your toes, wearing shoesll help

[Bertie]

don't worry. I can do that combo fine. Front flip and sideflip on concrete pfff...piece of cake! Yes, I do wear shoes. No shoes would be like ball of foot suicide. I like sees' text editing skills. They bring me closer to perfection!

[skywalker]

:eh: Use the right colours then.

Also, if you want to know why I got patella tendonitus... Just search concrete on google.

[Bertie]

...I got patella tendonitus....

What actually is that?

Is it permanent?

[Bertie]

Also, why is doing it on concrete worse than grass? Cause grass is hard, sometimes even as hard as concrete. Isn't then tricking on grass bad for you?

[skywalker]

Bertie could you not double post all the time thanks.


Concrete is easier for doing some flips because it's harder, and will always be harder than grass. If you drop something on concrete it will make more noise. This is because the object doesn't fall down a bit before being repelled up.

Now think of your shins/knees. They hit the concrete, instantly they have a force pushing the opposite way, this doubles the strain and you're taking at least twice your bodyweight there. Especially with fronts, where your knees don't bend properly if you don't overrotate, you can cause strain injuries from your knee downwards.

[Hapkidoka]

You can trick on any surface as long as you get good height and land softly... (This is especially true for lava!)

I used to do a lot of cartfulls and d-legs on concrete and never had a problem because they are tricks that I could land in my sleep so the impact wasn't ever really violent... BUT if you land low or crash badly ONE time on concrete, you can fuck yourself up. Plus doing tricks often on really hard surfaces is bound to put more strain and damage on joints and ligaments simply because it doesn't give.

[skullmyst]

hapidoka is a pedophile

[Rahf]

Knees take tremendous punishment, no matter if you land soft or hard.

On the injury side, it's either going to come creeping on you and increase in intensity the more you keep doing stressful acts that put pressure on your knees and ankles. Or it could come instantly (i.e bad crash on concrete) and put you out of commission for +6 months with permanent limp or similar as a result.

It's your choice, I think tricking on very hard surfaces is stupid.