Aerobic training

[Steinsson]

Ok, so Juji writes this:

"when you do too much repetitive, aerobic junk, the body starts getting the fast twitch muscle fibers to do the slow twitch task. No, fast twitch fibers don't convert to slow twitch fibers (that's impossible), but they lose some of their ZING which is essential for tricking."

Now I really wonder what is true of this and how this works. What are your experiences with it? I have to ride my bike ALOT, so I wonder how much this will influence my tricking.

[NightHunter]

You should focus on priorities...like your life. I think the amount of biking you do may put you at risk to die.

[Steinsson]

You should focus on priorities...like your life. I think the amount of biking you do may put you at risk to die.

I know, biking gives you cancer.

[Kitosho]

Tricking is a power sport. The body only has so much adaptive potential per given amount of time - It's very difficult to simultaneously make large adaptations to slow and fast twitch capabilities, and this ability decreases with training experience.

That being said, if you like riding your bike, keep doing it. There's nothing I love more than to hop on my bike with my Ipod on a sunny day and go for a ride. I haven't experienced any negative effects but in the grand scheme of things, this is a very small portion of my total training.

[Lees Dragon]

which tutorial says that stuff about aerobic training?

[Serial]

which tutorial says that stuff about aerobic training?

#6 and 7 here:http://www.trickstutorials.com/index.php?page=content/efficiency

[DeeJay]

Bike riding causes impotence.

[Fanya]

Just masturbate furiously to the publicus for your aerobic conditioning, that or run across highways as interval training--every time you make it across alive grant yourself 30 seconds rest, 2 minutes for close calls and 5 minutes if you're grazed by a mack truck

[Tatsumaru]

Hm, I personally have experienced the more I do 'repetive, long duration junk' like jogging, biking at a steady pace for a long while etc, the less powerful my tricks become eventually (it does take some time). Some time ago I was cutting down (shredding fat) and I did these stupid activities at a slow pace and I really did feel like I had less power: my aerials were sloppier and I didn't get much height when I stomped. I would feel more fatigued as well for some reason.

On the other hand, at the moment I am cutting down again / but instead of doing slow paced stuff, I do more 'power' activities. Like, I hop on my bike, go on a ride around this gigantic lake near my place - but every 2 minutes or so I try to make speed like an enraged demon on fire for 10-20 seconds. After that I continue biking slow to build up some energy for another rep of this. I do the same thing alternating with walking/running like a madman. And lately my 'stomp' and power tricks have been great (although my aerials have become a little bit more sloppier, but this is due to stretching less then I used to and avoiding a certain stretch - I'm regaining flexbility again though).

That's my personal experience haha.

[Ashtar]

I've always wondered if it's really true. Is endurance/strength really a tradeoff, or do the cells linearly gain each independant of the other? The only tradeoff I think is time. As in, time you spend doing endurance work (cycling, walking, etc) is time not spent doing strength work, which is why it might seem like it harms strength.

That, and it's easy to deplete the energy stores and start catabolizing muscles with long-term low intensity cardio, right? If fast-twitch get catabolized then that's also cause for perception of tradeoff when it's really more of a loss since the slow-twitch fibres are more essential. This would be more apparent while cutting (like you mentioned) which is probably why a lot of BBers say to watch out for cardio during cutting whereas you can do more without worry while bulking.

But I don't see a muscle actually getting weaker just from getting better endurance.

[Fanya]

I've always wondered if it's really true. Is endurance/strength really a tradeoff, or do the cells linearly gain each independant of the other? The only tradeoff I think is time. As in, time you spend doing endurance work (cycling, walking, etc) is time not spent doing strength work, which is why it might seem like it harms strength.

That, and it's easy to deplete the energy stores and start catabolizing muscles with long-term low intensity cardio, right? If fast-twitch get catabolized then that's also cause for perception of tradeoff when it's really more of a loss since the slow-twitch fibres are more essential. This would be more apparent while cutting (like you mentioned) which is probably why a lot of BBers say to watch out for cardio during cutting whereas you can do more without worry while bulking.

But I don't see a muscle actually getting weaker just from getting better endurance.

Actually you can sway Type IIb (I think) fibers either way, that is, to be better at either strength or endurance stuff. The majority of one's potential is genetic, but there are still some fibers that can be encouraged to develop in the direction that you point them in.

[AJCN]

OMG! I do Capoeira and it such a cardio workout! My body and my Tricks are screwed!

[Ashtar]

No, what I'm asking is does it really 'become' more in the direction of a new fibre, or does it enhance its properties? Who's to say a muscle fibre being able to contract more intensely (fast-twitch-like) will make it lose endurance? Who's to say gaining more mitochondria and other things that give better endurance, will make a muscle fibre weaker?

[Gilgamesh]

I believe it is pobably more of a muscle memory type switch. (ie. Switching to more explosive activities after a past training schedule of aerobic training).

Now I'm going to use a track analogy to prove aerobic training does not affect fast-twitch muscle fibers. Most endurance runners in track and field use interval training to improve their long distance time. In terms of benefits, the runner is able to use less effort to sustain a specific pace. So moving back to tricking, being able to execute a long yet intense combo would be a good deomnstration of being proficient in both endurance and explosiveness.

[Dave]

No it wouldn't, we use our ATP system for around 10 seconds. The Aerobic system doesn't kick in until after 2minutes of continuous activity. Unless people are doing > 2minute combos, I don't think that aerobic capacity and endurance are applicable.

[Dave]

But I don't see a muscle actually getting weaker just from getting better endurance.

It doesn't