it all looks the same

[monk e boi]

So I've been tricking for about 4-5 years now but I feel like my tricking is totaly different from what I see on here, like I view tricking totaly different from most people on here. I see tons of samplers with people just pulling off what looks like the same kicks over and over and over again, but there's all of these different names for them. It's rediculous how many different names people can come up with for a butterfly spin. Like, I'm more impressed by a remi bakkar sampler than I am by a steve terada one. You know what I mean? Sure you can do a 540 23 diferent ways, but can you get good height and make it clean? Tricking videos in general of no professionals are becoming so monotinous these days. Does anyone else agree?

[tuareg]

a butterfly spin.


Butterfly twist? Never heard of such a trick. Explain please!

[Hapkidoka]

...*words*... Does anyone else agree?

No...

[monk e boi]

yes yes, at my kung fu school everyone calls them butterfly spins instead of twists, same move.

[alpha7158]

So I've been tricking for about 4-5 years now but I feel like my tricking is totaly different from what I see on here, like I view tricking totaly different from most people on here. I see tons of samplers with people just pulling off what looks like the same kicks over and over and over again, but there's all of these different names for them. It's rediculous how many different names people can come up with for a butterfly spin. Like, I'm more impressed by a remi bakkar sampler than I am by a steve terada one. You know what I mean? Sure you can do a 540 23 diferent ways, but can you get good height and make it clean? Tricking videos in general of no professionals are becoming so monotinous these days. Does anyone else agree?

to the contrary, I see so many different styles and ways of doing things out there. Plus a btwist is a btwist, it is rarely called anything else.
Plus you have to remember everyone is learning, people do things their way and if that is boaring to you then give them a break man.

[monk e boi]

no I'm not talking about newbies at tricking. i mean it seems like there's only so much you can do with martial arts style tricking. you do a b-twist, then you put some more power in it and you get a hyperswipe, then you turn and throw a hook kick after it. But in the end it's still the same move just that you spin some more and flail your legs in the air. I want to see real creativity in movement. like seshoumaru. he is one of the few tricksters that I really enjoy watching because he comes up with things that nobody had really done before him.

[alpha7158]

no I'm not talking about newbies at tricking. i mean it seems like there's only so much you can do with martial arts style tricking. you do a b-twist, then you put some more power in it and you get a hyperswipe, then you turn and throw a hook kick after it. But in the end it's still the same move just that you spin some more and flail your legs in the air. I want to see real creativity in movement. like seshoumaru. he is one of the few tricksters that I really enjoy watching because he comes up with things that nobody had really done before him.

i still disagree, variations of moves can become immense. For example hyper hook is a btwist variation, yet is is 10000 times better and more stylish.

then you have gyros and twist variations (e.g snapuswipe)

then you have hypers (e.g pop hyper 900.)

thought these moves are harder so you don't see them as often, but believe me people are working up to it!

[IScream4IceCream]

Not everyone is creative man.

[monk e boi]

yeah I see what you mean. i guess I've just been seeing a bunch of videos of newbies recently or something. Since I started tricking I got into parkour shortly after so what really impresses me is the kind of stuff that daniel ilabaca comes up with, like the kong-gainer he just recently did and a kong wallflip. To me, being able to totaly change your momentum and pull of a rotation in the OPPOSITE direction is fucking impressive. I guess it's just different styles of tricking really. To each his own I suppose.

[alpha7158]

yeah I see what you mean. i guess I've just been seeing a bunch of videos of newbies recently or something. Since I started tricking I got into parkour shortly after so what really impresses me is the kind of stuff that daniel ilabaca comes up with, like the kong-gainer he just recently did and a kong wallflip. To me, being able to totaly change your momentum and pull of a rotation in the OPPOSITE direction is fucking impressive. I guess it's just different styles of tricking really. To each his own I suppose.

watch some manny brown samplers.

www.bilang.com

check his latest one and the ones in the archive at the bottom.

[Jon P]

yeah this guy is kinda clueless. haha

[alpha7158]

yeah he must have just watched my old april sampler.

[TKD_Andy]

what, and he didnt like the inside crescent combos? Man...

leik omg too many people are doing butterfly noodles over and over!

[alpha7158]

what, and he didnt like the inside crescent combos? Man...

leik omg too many people are doing butterfly noodles over and over!

I know, i lost my inside crescent, do you think you could teach me?

[Tamonten]

b-twist?

Plus comme b-twirl!


har har har har har har!!!!!

edit: But seriously Monk, tricking is way more than that.

Just check out LOADS of samplers and look at what the individual is doing. Style is everywhere in tricking.

As for trick variations, the limits are forever being broken. I mean, yeah, a hypertwist is just a slightly over roatated btwist in essence, but comboing that hypertwist from a flagella or hook from another trick adds such a deeper root in tricking.

[Flowers]

I haven't seen two hyperswipes that looked alike

[poliver]

actually i feeled the same as that guy years 2-3 ago... when i was into parkour stuff...

i was more impressed by a backtuck from heigth than a jacknife +P
i remember i was looking at some loopkick samplers and thinkin, man these guys could be good traceurs =] ...yuck

[Dantess]

Sure you can do a 540 23 diferent ways, but can you get good height and make it clean?

Since when was the 540 kick about jumping high?

Nearly all of the advanced tricksters have clean basics. So I have no idea what you are on about.

[Rook]

o.o;

[Dragonic MiKe]

omgz you guys! all de kickz look de same!!!!!111

do a backflip!!!!!lol omgz n00bs.

[sesshoumaru]

I haven't seen two hyperswipes that looked alike

This is super-true...everyone executes a particular trick differently. Even among those who would try to capture the goal of "perfect" execution...everyone has their own theory of what makes something "perfect". It can stem from damn-near anything [visual appeal, MA efficiency, personal style, etc.].

However, I think he was talking about how every trick is an extention of another...and with that he's pretty correct. But that can be saud about everything in life. You have your basic movements, and the more advanced movements are just additions to the same old movements. Like how a Back Full is still a "backflip", and how jumping is the same thing as standing [you just bend your legs and standup as fast as you can]. Knowing this, his argument loses fervor...interesting though.

[Dragonic MiKe]

It's like saying, "Realism and Cubism are totally the same thing. It's all just putting paint on a canvas!"

:square:

[White Nazgul]

lool, I just liked one particular thing he said..
Pretty much:
" A hyper hook is :
1. You Butter Spin
2. Over rotate and land on other leg
3. FLAIL YOUR LEG LIEK YOU'R TRYING TO KILL A MOSKITO!!!
"
XD


At first I didn't like trcking too - It looked like the same to me.
Than I quit PK, and tricking became actually pretty interesting.
And when I understood that kick-tricks are TEH SHITTT, I really became a trickster.

Man, Sessh is right - just try and compare Ben Brown's, Anis's and Teradas 540... They are all PERFECT, but at the same time DIFFERENT (I like Ben's the mosst! :))))
But in general - do ONLY what you actually like and enjoy.
And you saying that your style is deifferent.. Any vids or other visual prove? :)

[Dragonic MiKe]

Any vids or other visual prove? :)

I'm betting it's just gymnastics.

[White Nazgul]

I'm betting it's just gymnastics.
QFT! XD

[alpha7158]

yeah like a back full is just a inverted btwist from backflip setup haha.

[monk e boi]

ok well here's one of my videos. this is the most recent, but it's about a year old. but I'm going to the gym this friday to film a video with a new camera that we got so I'll bust out the best tricks I can do and post them up here after I make the video. my style is a lot more gymnastic oriented but it's all self taught technique. And in this video at the end is the first time I had ever tried a cork

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StNxGCu2avU
(i'm the guy in the green shirt)

also on a sidenote: 540's ARE supposed to be high because they were originally created over a thousand years ago to knock soldiers off of horses, along with the buterfly kick. All of these flying kicks at one point did have a purpose.

[Rahf]

Stop talking about specifics, trick more. Discussions like these put me in doubt. It's about having fun people, I don't care if 540's were supposed to knock Stimorol gums into the stratosphere or not, I do them because it's fun and it looks cool.

[Scott]

You have great height but I don't like your form. Your friends' tricks DO all look the same, haha. I agree with Alpha, check out Manny Brown.

[Hapkidoka]

HA HA, it's funny to me that you would say all that ish about kicks looking the same... and then post a vid of nothing but front flips, front halfs and front fulls with the occasional b-tuck in there. :tongue: It just goes to show that everyone's perspective is different.
What you think is dynamic and progressive looks like a bunch of flips to me... where trick vids with 5 different variations of a 540 (540, laid back, laid down, sideswipe, suicideswipe) gets me fucking jazzed out of my gourd.

You do get some really good height on your flips though! Maybe there will come a day that you become interested in kicks more... then you will have a whole new world of progression and variation to play with and will already have a good flipping base to build on. :wink:

[Scott]

Or more interested in doing advanced flips. You've got a lot of height potential, go throw some doublefulls and double backs/fronts.

[Dragonic MiKe]

540's ARE supposed to be high because they were originally created over a thousand years ago to knock soldiers off of horses, along with the buterfly kick.

REARRY!!!?? :shocked:

[JiayoJames]

I once kicked a guy off an elephant and he landed on his head but he was ok because he was a warlock and had cast a protective spell at the last moment. Then he started flying and single handedly defeated my village with fireballs, then he pillaged it and raped all of the women and children.

[Scott]

That was me!

[Taimatsu]

ok well here's one of my videos. this is the most recent, but it's about a year old. but I'm going to the gym this friday to film a video with a new camera that we got so I'll bust out the best tricks I can do and post them up here after I make the video. my style is a lot more gymnastic oriented but it's all self taught technique. And in this video at the end is the first time I had ever tried a cork

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StNxGCu2avU
(i'm the guy in the green shirt)

also on a sidenote: 540's ARE supposed to be high because they were originally created over a thousand years ago to knock soldiers off of horses, along with the buterfly kick. All of these flying kicks at one point did have a purpose.
That's not tricking. It's gymnastics and parkour.

[JiayoJames]

That was me!
Then you owe Jeremy a new sphincter! We can't take him anywhere anymore...

[Scott]

That's his fault for having a weak collapsed rectum.

[simon]

i didn't think kicks were anything until i tried them :dead:

[Taimatsu]

Monk e boi, you talk of tricking as if it had no personality. We are not drones of the martial art world with the exact same boring tecnique.

For example, you take two skilled gymnasts, and put them in the same uniform and have them each do one tumbling pass in front of my eyes, then my first thought would be, "Did the first guy go twice?"
You cannot differentiate their drilled tecnique, and there is absolutely no individuality.

Now on the other hand, if you take Anis, Stephen Renney, Sammy Vasques, and CrazyAsian, and put them all in teddy bear costumes (mask included) and asked them to throw some combos in front of me, I would run up to one and say, "Jesus, Crazyasian!! Where the fuck have you been this past year!?!?!"

Personality is my favorite trait of tricking, and if you can't see the dominant abundance of it in the masses of tricksters, then you aren't a perceptive chap.

Yes, we have variations of base tricks. Yes, we expand on them. I don't see why that is an issue. A tornado kick evolves into a 540. A 540 evolves into a 540 gyro. A 540 gyro evolves into a Jacknife. A jacknife is evolved and used in combos. It's very normal progression in any physical activity.

[Kimimaro]

Haha, great thread! expressing opinions on tricking rocks. I like to view Tricking as an ultimate way of expressing the capabilities of the human body in an artistic manner. :D

[monk e boi]

yeah I've tried doubles and such. I cant get double fulls yet but I do have double backs on the floor and front overrotating to a diveroll. I can do kicks, it's just that on a sprung floor I love working on flipping because it's easy to get massive height. As far as kicks I've got b-twists, 540's on both sides, hyperswipes, double legs, single legs, flash kicks, flash switch, x outs. pretty much I can do a bunch of basic kicks and I've been working on a 540 with a hook at the end and double b-twists.

I just started this because I used to love watching purley tricking videos. But now, unless I'm watching someone amazing like sesh or anis it's just not interesting. I guess I am just seeing too much mediocre tricking these days. I dont feel like it should be about just landing the move. it should be about landing it and then work on perfecting your own technique.

[SickPanda]

I feel ya there, I delete probably half of the videos I download just because they're not worth keeping. I think I feel the same way as you (a lot of trickers are sub-par) but you really expressed that poorly. More than half of the rather large tricking population are not very skilled and not very creative. duh, that shouldn't be shocking. It's like just about anything in real life--some people are good, alot of people are mediocre, and some people are terrible...

That being said, I would have deleted your video as well. I stopped watching after 30 seconds. If you're going to slowmo basic stuff at least don't do it 20 times in a row. No offense intended really, I'm sure that in a few years you'll be doing awesome shit. But I would expect more variety after reading your posts.

Honestly this thread was a common-sense, think about it for 5 seconds idea that was repackaged and presented as a "deep revelation." If you're just going to do gymnastics stuff, don't complain about lack of variety in kicks...

Also I would like to point out that very few of the many Terada samplers that are floating around showcase his varied skills, alot of them are just tournament footage that is repetitive as hell because he always throws the same shit in competition. The official sampler he made himself (with mindy kelly) is probably the best representation (despite not showing all of the "big" moves that he can do).

sorry if that came out sounding like just one big put-down, I really do enjoy your point of view and I'm glad you shared your thoughts with the community.

[monk e boi]

well if you cut the video off after 30 seconds I dont think you even saw me in it. Most of the guys in the beginning had only been tricking for few months