Disagreement with "essential tricking"

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In the article "essential tricking" juji mentioned that you should not trick unless you are as fresh as possible.

I know this statement makes sense; however I have tricked before when i was fatiged. As a result....

EVERYTHING! looked ugly and some of my moves I couldn't land, but I came out of it okay. Mainly becuase I told myself whenever I bailed, that I was fatigued and couldn't expect much.

So I believe that you can trick fatigued, just make sure you know this and are not pushing yourself too hard.

But yeah, other than that this a great site; Rock On! :cool:

feel free to comment :tea:

[TKD Tim]

Right but...you just proved his point. Being fatigued causes you to do things sloppily, and increases the rate of bails and crashes. This can lead you to form a habit of sloppy techniques which will carry over into your fresh tricking, as well as making you more likely to get injured from doing something you normally would be able to do.

[Matt K]

In the article "essential tricking" juji mentioned that you should not trick unless you are as fresh as possible.

I know this statement makes sense; however I have tricked before when i was fatiged. As a result....

EVERYTHING! looked ugly and some of my moves I couldn't land, but I came out of it okay. Mainly becuase I told myself whenever I bailed, that I was fatigued and couldn't expect much.

So I believe that you can trick fatigued, just make sure you know this and are not pushing yourself too hard.

But yeah, other than that this a great site; Rock On! :cool:

feel free to comment :tea:

That's the point of not tricking while fatigued. Everything looks like shit and you can barely land anything.

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I agree with the points above. However I still derive enjoyment from these sessions, and I don't take what happens in those sessions seriously (these happen about once a month).

You shouldn't stop enjoying tricking just becuase you are tired. Rest up if you are planning a good session : and in turn allow yourself to go out into a field to trick, just becuase you felt like it!

In my mind it is those "on the fly" situations which give tricking its rock n roll attitude.

[Anima]

I see your point, I just dont think you should do it very often. Also, dont bother trying new tricks when tired, because of your muscle memory ect.

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YES! subtle sorrow! YES!

Subtle sorrow you understood me, you shouldn't do it often, but it is OK to do it occasionaly.

as juji says "cheat to win"

[Skilzat85X]

I agree with the points above. However I still derive enjoyment from these sessions, and I don't take what happens in those sessions seriously (these happen about once a month).

You shouldn't stop enjoying tricking just becuase you are tired.
You can get enjoyment...ya.

But if you're fatigued everything is harder and it's harder to have fun than if you're fresh out the kitchen and ready to bust.

His point was, that fatigued tricks are not only ugly but they'll probably hurt you in the long run. Why? Because they'll screw with your muscle memory of the tricks so the more you do them fatigued, the more your body is going to want to do them that way.
Not to mention the increased chance of injury.

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hmm I see, but muscle memory I find is a load of bull. I did aerials 500 times each one wrong, then tweaked my technique and have landed them consistently ever since.

Muscle memory only applies if your not thinking about what your doing.

but yeah if you don't push yourself to hard; risk of injury (at my level anyway) is very low.

[TKD Tim]

I just went outside and did a gainer-to-faceplant because I'm fatigued. It was not enjoyable. I decided to end the session.

This is true too, I really did.

[Skilzat85X]

hmm I see, but muscle memory I find is a load of bull. I did aerials 500 times each one wrong, then tweaked my technique and have landed them consistently ever since.

Muscle memory only applies if your not thinking about what your doing.

That's the whole point of muscle memory: so you can do things without thinking about them that much.

And you may not realize this but lots of times muscle memory is what keeps you from doing stuff right, you're so used to doing things one way that you don't realize that you keep doing certain things. But that can be overcame.

The thing is, tricking while fatigued is just not a good idea. If you want to, more power to you. It's not like Juji said it's a rule, just a guideline.

[Serial]

I agree with the points above. However I still derive enjoyment from these sessions, and I don't take what happens in those sessions seriously (these happen about once a month).

You shouldn't stop enjoying tricking just becuase you are tired. Rest up if you are planning a good session : and in turn allow yourself to go out into a field to trick, just becuase you felt like it!

In my mind it is those "on the fly" situations which give tricking its rock n roll attitude.

I don't enjoy tricking when I'm tired...you don't progress, land much of anything, or have fun (at least I don't, your wore out and need rest).

I feel like tricking most when I'm rested up. I land new tricks, have cleaner tricks, feel better, etc.
Haha, for me tricking when fatigued=:dead:

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That's the whole point of muscle memory: so you can do things without thinking about them that much.
Exactly. Your not gonna be able to combo tricks and make the combo look good if you have to think about every little detail.
If you trick alot while fatigued get used to landing a trick wrong, then your gonna have to drill when your fresh again to get it right. You might as well just rest.

[remthetreme]

I love to practice basics stuff when I'm a lil' bit sore,

'cause fews days after, when I'm "ok", the comboes are flowing and feels

easier than ever... or maybe it's just because I practice and I'm getting

better. Anyway... experiment and you'll see what's fit better to you!

[Bertie]

Yes. Ok. I see your point but I think TKD Tim's right. If you trick while you are fatigued it starts getting dangerous and you are more likely to seriously injure yourself. Like bail a backflip and land on your head. Beware....BEWARE!!!!!!

[Swartz]

Seems to be you're taking everything too literally or at least go by Juji's articles as if they're the Bible. These are his viewpoints, and everybody can just learn something from them, it's not a set of rules to follow.

[JiayoJames]

I cannot trick while I am fatigued... because I never reach fatigue. I am like superman or something.

[Swartz]

It's because you're always relaxed, James.

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Ok I take the blame. Looking at the article and your posts. I was wrong.. ... I still enjoy keeping myself resonably fresh; so i can trick whenever i want for 15 min or so.

[Swartz]

Good rule of thumb: think before you post.

Or in my case you don't have to because my posts are awesome no matter what.

[kickjim]

You can get enjoyment...ya.

His point was, that fatigued tricks are not only ugly but they'll probably hurt you in the long run. Why? Because they'll screw with your muscle memory of the tricks so the more you do them fatigued, the more your body is going to want to do them that way.


Very true.

If you´re looking for exercise in a fatigued state, try plyometrics, don´t fuck up your muscle memory by crashing tricks.

[.kiz]

just dont trick when you feel like shit, otherwise you will be injured, and will effect your fresh tricking state
so really, juji is right

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haha! I thought about what I was doing. I guess I just needed someone to correct me.

thanks guys :smile:

[the padwan]

Ok so you Trick because added together the results of practice make you feel good or happy (ie you like it)

Well what if (in my case) you are really busy with other physical things that cannot (really) be avoided. For example I go to college, the gym, TKD, and have a part time job (which can be physically demanding).

If I go to the gym on monday and work that night I'll be shattered getting home at 12:30, I'll have college at 9am then go to the gym between lectures and Have TKD at night. So my body will be pretty tired for the next 2-3 days but I still trick.
Myself and Slim-Grim both landed b-twists on the same day but we were both wrecked. He had been competing in a track meet all day and I had college. But after 10 min of trying we both landed b-twists.

I guess it is down to how much you want it (plus some physical ability)

[Crazy Max]

I made some nice progress Saturday, so I thought I would push myself while sore today hoping to keep it up. Big fucking mistake....I lost tricks mid-session, landed everything lower and weaker, stubbed my toe really hard landing in a goofy way I'd never land while fresh, I couldn't rotate as much as I could before. I started to get 540's Saturday, it was just sticking the landing. I was really, really wiped after tweaking my pop 360's which went to utter shit after I was getting close to getting them nice and head level and gyro'd Saturday..I wanted to get a consistent 540 so bad, so I pushed anyway and it went straight to fucking hell very fast. Everything just seemed heavier and harder due to fatigue..Overall, it was a waste of time and a step back in training, and a mistake I'll never repeat again.

if you want to trick fatigued, it's your prerogative. There's a lot better things you can do like stretch, work on groundwork, drill a few basics, branle, eat, sleep, rape.