how do you do your websters?

[poliver]

just curious, how do you do them, which technique you like the best and why

1. front flip of one foot
2. front flip of one foot with a step-out
3. front aerial - no handed front walkover with an extreme back arch - gemma style
4. tinsika - aerial with a half turn, aerial ended facing the same way you faced during the takeoff, a cheated front aerial

1st technique i use for losers but it doesn't work wit my websters, 2nd and 3rd techniques i find extremely difficult and not landable cause my back flex sux and my front step-out are randomly landable though i can do front aerials from small heights, 4th one is the nicest i think

maybe there any other methods?

[*<User Name]

Just to let people know there's basically an infinite number of variations

[Skippy]

I imagine once you get them, no handed walkovers would be the easiest, providing you were mega flexible

[*<User Name]

Na because they promote neck+back problems. I find 1 foot take off 2 feet landing (no tuck only grab no kick) the easiest by far.

[Swartz]

I don't usually seek tutorials but Tim you should seriously make one regarding websters haha. The one move I feel I've tried almost every way of doing and don't get anywhere. I'm pretty sure I asked you for help before but I don't remember getting much out of it.

[poliver]

if you can aerial try tinsika way, you should practice it with hands to get a feel - the transition to no-hands is not hard if you can aerial and do tinsika with hands

[*<User Name]

Ah shit, well, my knees are a bit buggered at the moment but i'm sure i could webster just dandy :smile:

If the weather permits i'll see about getting some shit filmed in the next few days, otherwise keep PM'ing me and harass me for stuff or else i'll forget haha :smile:



EDIT: poliver, no body uses that name haha, they just call it 'the capoeria rubber front aerial thingey' ...or maybe that's just me, na, i'll call that one the spin whip, but point being that it's definatly more of an aerial variation and promotes bad form on free walkovers

[Swartz]

I'M GONNA BOTHER THE BLUE SHIT OUT OF YA!

[*<User Name]

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Yeah i'm gonna do a subtitled + narrated walk through tutorial for the 'important' webster variations, i'll start drafting now

[simon]

yay tim. i need mine better.

[Skilzat85X]

Websters are almost easier to do than front handsprings haha.

It's all in raising it up.

[Swartz]

Well that's what I'm realized with websters. Kinda like I finally did with aerial. It didn't matter how much I was practicing it but somewhere in my attempts one little part of my technique was off, and it brings the whole thing down. I simply don't understand how you raise up or anything and the timing and body positioning all affects that. The move is frustrating as fuck haha. Breaking it down thoroughly and going through variations is a great idea Tim. That's really the key. Doing a webster tutorial only one way is limiting considering different ways work better for others.

[*<User Name]

I'll do this but i'd like it if you sent me an attempt of yours, i could then hopefully kill the problem directly and it could also help with the tips i give in the video

[Rook]

When you're learning, the tucking technique is quite handy, like in that... er... jason exampler thing?

I can webster off both legs now :) handy for axe-combos :good:

[Skilzat85X]

Just try:

Step forward with one foot.
Bend down so your chest is almost touching your knee.
Swing arms straight up skywards and pull your chest and chin in.
Swing back leg up haaaard.
Float into landing.

This is good for tucked ones, I'm trying to get a good untucked strategy. Well sorta I'm not caring much for websters and the moment haha. But tucked is easier and fun.

[Swartz]

I'll do this but i'd like it if you sent me an attempt of yours, i could then hopefully kill the problem directly and it could also help with the tips i give in the video

Well I'm tricking for the first time in over a month as of tomorrow and it's been even longer since I tried websters but I'll do several and film them for ya. I mean you're right, that's an even better solution. Still it's nice to see it down as an example as well. I'd watch whatever you made anyway.

Just try:

Step forward with one foot.
Bend down so your chest is almost touching your knee.
Swing arms straight up skywards and pull your chest and chin in.
Swing back leg up haaaard.
Float into landing.

This is good for tucked ones, I'm trying to get a good untucked strategy. Well sorta I'm not caring much for websters and the moment haha. But tucked is easier and fun.
So then you're tucking in like you would with a frontflip after that last step you mentioned? I think for me the arms were always a big problem. Mostly though for websters I just couldn't get myself to rise off the ground. I'd experiment bringing my head low the ground or keep it up high like I would for aerial but either way I'd just drill into the ground haha. Well...still am, but I'll see what I'm doing tomorow and get some filmed either way.

[*<User Name]

Skilz hit the nail on the head there for the 'easy' one i was discribing

[Swartz]

Okay another pointless question that probably doesn't matter but I want the input anyway. By tucking do you mean actually using your hands as well like, in front or behind your legs? Or just bringing them in close to your chest and having your hands sorta of next to your body after swinging them up skyward?

[Rook]

I tuck by grabbing the last leg to leave the floor, round the thigh.

[Swartz]

Yeah when I first used to try them I did it like that. I mean it feels stupid anyway. I don't know though. I mean if you're just tucking one with your hands then you're leaving the other one straight? How about keeping both in? I know there's so many ways to approach it. Ridiculous. Personally I'd rather do it tucked style and all but without using my hands to grab my legs.

[*<User Name]

Haha it truly is silly how many ways you can do this move but once you get the basic jist you'll be fine with doing the rest and coming up with your own

[petey_boy_boy]

try it like this just cos it's fun and hilariously weird:

http://www.divshare.com/download/926699-81f

[Skilzat85X]

Yea websters are one of the easiest moves ever to land standing straight up haha. It's like magic I say, magic!

Here's something that helps: Don't think of it like a front flip off one foot lol. Don't try tucking like you do a front flip. Why? Well in the front flip the tuck rotates you, whereas in a webster your legs basically rotate you. Tucking just helps because if you are tucked down with your chest to your knee then you have less rotation to go, yay!

The thing with the arms is don't swing them down. I used to do that and I did nasty low websters haha. Bring them down with you when you dip, at first try dipping your head below your hips. Then, with your arms below you, rip them upwards at the sky or towards your hips, but of course they're on your sides so they're not gonna hit anything lol.
Think of a hip thrusting motion where you pull your arms back as you thrust your hips out. Now do that, without the hip thrust, during a webster.

Basically just lower chest, lower arms, then as you pull your leg up and over pull both chest and arms towards the skkkkkyyyyyy. It's FUN! Ok not really ha. But it's a nice easy confident feeling once you get the hang of it.

And as Tim keeps bringing out, there are many ways to do this! So many strategies haha. It's the most variable move ever. But of course the way we mentioned is probably the easiest lol.

[peg]

i do websters with a bit of a twist because of my sideflip off one foot.
websters are very crap

[Swartz]

Yea websters are one of the easiest moves ever to land standing straight up haha. It's like magic I say, magic!

Here's something that helps: Don't think of it like a front flip off one foot lol. Don't try tucking like you do a front flip. Why? Well in the front flip the tuck rotates you, whereas in a webster your legs basically rotate you. Tucking just helps because if you are tucked down with your chest to your knee then you have less rotation to go, yay!

The thing with the arms is don't swing them down. I used to do that and I did nasty low websters haha. Bring them down with you when you dip, at first try dipping your head below your hips. Then, with your arms below you, rip them upwards at the sky or towards your hips, but of course they're on your sides so they're not gonna hit anything lol.
Think of a hip thrusting motion where you pull your arms back as you thrust your hips out. Now do that, without the hip thrust, during a webster.

Basically just lower chest, lower arms, then as you pull your leg up and over pull both chest and arms towards the skkkkkyyyyyy. It's FUN! Ok not really ha. But it's a nice easy confident feeling once you get the hang of it.

And as Tim keeps bringing out, there are many ways to do this! So many strategies haha. It's the most variable move ever. But of course the way we mentioned is probably the easiest lol.

Yeah well I've asked more than enough questions already, which is unusual for me, but I'm going to give this all a try again tomorrow and see about sending maybe both you and Tim some, unless I get it of course out of nowhere. Either way I'll see about sending it around for help.

[thereid]

Yea websters are one of the easiest moves ever to land standing straight up haha. It's like magic I say, magic!

Here's something that helps: Don't think of it like a front flip off one foot lol. Don't try tucking like you do a front flip. Why? Well in the front flip the tuck rotates you, whereas in a webster your legs basically rotate you. Tucking just helps because if you are tucked down with your chest to your knee then you have less rotation to go, yay!

The thing with the arms is don't swing them down. I used to do that and I did nasty low websters haha. Bring them down with you when you dip, at first try dipping your head below your hips. Then, with your arms below you, rip them upwards at the sky or towards your hips, but of course they're on your sides so they're not gonna hit anything lol.
Think of a hip thrusting motion where you pull your arms back as you thrust your hips out. Now do that, without the hip thrust, during a webster.

Basically just lower chest, lower arms, then as you pull your leg up and over pull both chest and arms towards the skkkkkyyyyyy. It's FUN! Ok not really ha. But it's a nice easy confident feeling once you get the hang of it.

And as Tim keeps bringing out, there are many ways to do this! So many strategies haha. It's the most variable move ever. But of course the way we mentioned is probably the easiest lol.Should the way you explained look like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMAhql0GO5w

[Skilzat85X]

Yea sorta. He pulls his legs all the way forwards instead of just up but yea its the same basic principle. I don't think he tucks in as much as I would either lol.

[thereid]

Yea sorta. He pulls his legs all the way forwards instead of just up but yea its the same basic principle. I don't think he tucks in as much as I would either lol.OK, because that's the way I've been learning them.

[Cicero]

Wait... arent you supposed to keep your chest high on a webster, so your center of gravity is up??

[Skilzat85X]

That's why after you've dipped you jump up and pull your chest up :).
It's really magical haha, do it the way me and Tim are currently advertising and you'll be landing them straight up. In fact it's almost hard to land them any other way, since after all you're coming out of a relatively stretched forwards rotation.

Gymnasts basically do the same thing, only they arch more, keep they're legs straight, and do it much better than all of us lol.

I'm going to eventually experiment with not dipping as much and trying to just bring my legs up around my head. But that will be very uncomfortable and I'm not sure if it will be as efficient as the dipped version, but we'll have to see.

Websters aren't a move that you can get all that high on anyways, just like aerials. They can be high but I mean you're not going to be trying to elevate your center of gravity to gain extra height. Just sufficient enough height to land the skill well.

[pete_man_man]

I'm going to eventually experiment with not dipping as much and trying to just bring my legs up around my head. But that will be very uncomfortable and I'm not sure if it will be as efficient as the dipped version, but we'll have to see.

it's easier and more comfortable. do it dude

[Andy R]

ohhh i will try that on sunday

[Skilzat85X]

it's easier and more comfortable. do it dude
For some reason I'm gonna run outside and try it right now even though I'm not dressed properly and I'm just in my dressy socks lol.

**lets goooo**

Yea they're pretty easy. I don't think I do them consistently the exactly same way each try though haha, since I have to think about it. But I landed them all quite easy.
What do you do with your arms in that kind of webster? For the moment to keep my body up and keep from dipping I sorta of throw them up around almost like a front flip, as if I'm diving upwards. I didn't record it so I don't know how it all looks. But I landed standing up it felt higher blah blah all that jazz.

Oh, and I did an aerial and a brandy just for the heck of it, and I sorta KILLED my ankle hahahaha.
Don't do tricks without warmup kiddies!

Websters are funnn.

[saunders]

i recently started doing websters from hooks, it makes them infinitely easier somehow

i also do that tinsika thing or whatever it's called.

[glide2]

Wait... arent you supposed to keep your chest high on a webster, so your center of gravity is up??

You can do that if you want... there's so many ways to do it. In gymnastics they throw their body and arms straight down while lifting their back leg up high and they land in an arch position... they don't get much height, but so what. Their front aerials look much better than our shitty websters anyway since their sexy legs are straight and widely spread apart. Sex.

Personally I don't reach forward at all, I just throw my body and arms down, but I'm not flexible enough to do a front aerial so I end it with an axe kick.

[Jon P]

I just kick my leg as hard as I can while jumping off the base leg...and then tuck haha.

I think websters only look good from a swing thru or loser takeoff...and even then they have to be really good. haha

[shengoikee]

I think websters only look good from a swing thru or loser takeoff...and even then they have to be really good. haha

yeah i agree with that. although iv seen some nice switching variations and whatnot from running that are cool as hell.

[Swartz]

Well I'm a fucking failure. My first attempt at this move after a long time was on a mat and my heel crashed straight legged into the ground (yes it was a thick mat too). Now this isn't the first time this has happened but it wasn't in such a scenario that seems relatively low in risk.

The result is a very irritated and painful achilles tendon (for the third time in over a year). I'm out of tricking for a week or two or more I don't know. I was going to actually you know WORK on the move but got owned on my first attempt. Pathetic, lame, and a bit annoying. I'll try to actually go about it safely somehow...a foam pit maybe? haha. Anyway it'll be a bit before I can post real attempts to get help from. This is so retarded. WHAT THE FUCK. Now I feel like a pussy with the move, and it's not even scary it's just how I crash ends up being more painful than you'd think it shoud.

[*<User Name]

Shit luck mang :sad:

This (http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/yorkslincs/series7/weather.shtml) is why i've not tricked yet haha

[Mitkon]

I learned websters before frontflips, and I find them easier (less effort) than frontflips.
Also, my method of flipping on the webster is quite different to how it is on front flips.

[Matt K]

Well I'm a fucking failure. My first attempt at this move after a long time was on a mat and my heel crashed straight legged into the ground (yes it was a thick mat too). Now this isn't the first time this has happened but it wasn't in such a scenario that seems relatively low in risk.

The result is a very irritated and painful achilles tendon (for the third time in over a year). I'm out of tricking for a week or two or more I don't know. I was going to actually you know WORK on the move but got owned on my first attempt. Pathetic, lame, and a bit annoying. I'll try to actually go about it safely somehow...a foam pit maybe? haha. Anyway it'll be a bit before I can post real attempts to get help from. This is so retarded. WHAT THE FUCK. Now I feel like a pussy with the move, and it's not even scary it's just how I crash ends up being more painful than you'd think it shoud.

I had a similar issue to yours, but not as severe. I tried websters a lot on individual mats, which didn't help at all. I would be more worried about landing on the mat then I would be about the actual trick, and I would end up just throwing myself into the mat. I finally just grabbed my balls and went for it a couple of times on grass and martial arts mats. After that, I got them rather quickly. I started trying to land the trick instead of worrying where I would land. It might also help to do backwards leg lifts. Hope you heal up nicely and get a dleg along with your webster. Good luck

[Swartz]

I had a similar issue to yours, but not as severe. I tried websters a lot on individual mats, which didn't help at all. I would be more worried about landing on the mat then I would be about the actual trick, and I would end up just throwing myself into the mat. I finally just grabbed my balls and went for it a couple of times on grass and martial arts mats. After that, I got them rather quickly. I started trying to land the trick instead of worrying where I would land. It might also help to do backwards leg lifts. Hope you heal up nicely and get a dleg along with your webster. Good luck

You don't understand. This isn't the first time I've tried the move. Just the first time using this method. My first times were on plyo, and I hurt it the same way once haha. Anyway, I guess pointing my toes more and tucking my legs in is the only way I can see to avoid killing my ankle again in the case of underrotating. I should have filmed the crash at the very least.

Anyways it wans't the mat that messed me up, it was the fact I tried a new technique for this move altogether haha. What's worse is I was wearing an ankle support on that foot too. Obviously didn't do a shit load of good for me, at least the way my foot impacted the floor.