Making mats

[SpikeofDojima]

Im thinking of making some shit to fall on from some packaged sawdust. Any better ideas?

[TKD_Andy]

stop wasting your time and just trick on grass and learn that bails are just part of the learning process.

[Skilzat85X]

stop wasting your time and just trick on grass and learn that bails are just part of the learning process.
:good:

[slim-grim]

Andy speaks the truth....

[jiayo-chris]

Amen!

[JiayoJames]

stop wasting your time and just trick on grass and learn that bails are just part of the learning process.

QFT

I grow weary of these threads. First, no one ever goes through with it. Second, if they did it would be pointless anyway.

[SpikeofDojima]

I really dont feel like breaking a hip here, safty first right?

[TKD_Andy]

you're 15 and you're worried about breaking your hip?

reality check man, its pretty damn hard to SERIOUSLY injure yourself when you first start tricking.

people have done backflips, front flips, corks, btwists and just about every other trick onto their head/ass before and its barely 1% of them who get injuries that arent healed within a month.

[Skilzat85X]

I think it's impossible to break your hip tricking haha.

And if you fall in an awkward position you're going to bust something mat or no mat.

That's why, instead of taking all these safety precautions for not falling hard, you don't fall hard in the first place. :smile:

[TKD_Andy]

you'd be suprised at the amount of stuff you can get away with landing badly without serious injury.

i've had some pretty bad crashes in the past and walked away unscathed. Ive never had a serious injury so far. *touches wood*

[Skilzat85X]

Yea ha.

But I can only assume that he's in the process of learning most of the basics, in which case instead of crashing over and over until he gets it he can just try getting it as quickly as possible :smile:.

See, when you have all that matting there you aren't going to be telling yourself "ok do this right" as much because you know you can fall and fall and not get hurt at all. Blasphemy!

[SpikeofDojima]

You guys have got to be joking, I think if I fell on my head/neck it would surley break.

[Skilzat85X]

Then it's gonna break even if you do have the mat haha.

[SpikeofDojima]

Then it's gonna break even if you do have the mat haha.

Well point is Id like to have something to cushion my fall. Thats it.

[Skilzat85X]

That's why you have:
Grass.
Dirt.
Fat.
Muscle.
Skin.
Hair.
Testosterone.

Dude, just don't fall! Tricking isn't about falling, it's about doing tricks dang it haha.

Anyways noone is going to be able to give you the advice you seek because nobody here has made their own mats (I bet). I mean really, who would? They just go to a gym or tough it out on grass.

If you really want to, rake together a pile of leaves. That's all.

[TKD_Andy]

watch this video.

i completely shattered every single vertibrae in my back doing this uber leet trick!

http://www.divshare.com/download/934211-cd4

[Shelz]

Well point is Id like to have something to cushion my fall. Thats it.

haha...i once landed on my head.:tongue:
u know what the mats that i was trying to land on did? they slid apart so i landed on wooden floor lol....u get a stiff neck for a week. Seriously though, it's not that bad.

[Aahem]

Check this shit out homie. i had alotta haters on my jock last time tryin to put me down and sayin my crash wasnt great. i kno it was all that good but im back wit a new and improved one and if liked my last then u about to be blown away bcus THIS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZFd1Y0Dibk

I was trying to do a backflip (not a BHS), freaked out mid-air and crashed on my head/neck. Hurt a tad, made a fine *snap* sound, didn't leave my neck sore though. That was a few years ago when I started tricking. The event took place on ground covered on half-ice half-snow. :good: And I was being a fucking idiot; shit like that happens rarely or never if you're cautious enough :)

So it's pretty damn hard to kill yourself. I broke my collarbone WITH MY HEAD while snowboarding, as in my neck twisted like fucking hell so as to allow the side of my skull to hit and break my collarbone. Didn't kill me though!


- Ade

[abdominable]

Hey, assmen...

People learn in different ways, why would you bash someone for wanting to have mats? I don't understand. Grass IS more painful than mats are, they wouldn't exist otherwise. Not everyone is ignorant to the possibility of having injuries. An injury can stop tricking altogether, for long periods of time... learning on mats is genius. Once technique is good then you can try on whatever the hell you want.

Not to bash ground-learners, but if you haven't had a significant injury, you're just lucky, and I'm jealous.

[k-slash]

you'd be suprised at the amount of stuff you can get away with landing badly without serious injury.

i've had some pretty bad crashes in the past and walked away unscathed. Ive never had a serious injury so far. *touches wood*

When I was 15 I bailed a standing backflip on2 my neck on concrete and had NO injuries what so ever, I was just sore for like afew days and I have a small scar on my shoulder.

[TKD_Andy]

*load of shite*

ahh shut the hell up.

All learning tricks onto mats does is TEACH YOU TO LEARN TRICKS ONTO MATS.

Take the mat away and you've gotta go through the whole thing again.

Just dont bother doing it onto mats in the first place, get out and do something USEFUL.

[Skilzat85X]

Hey, assmen...

People learn in different ways, why would you bash someone for wanting to have mats? I don't understand. Grass IS more painful than mats are, they wouldn't exist otherwise. Not everyone is ignorant to the possibility of having injuries. An injury can stop tricking altogether, for long periods of time... learning on mats is genius. Once technique is good then you can try on whatever the hell you want.

Not to bash ground-learners, but if you haven't had a significant injury, you're just lucky, and I'm jealous.
The thing is he's not talking about learning on mats. And even then that's just extra fluff.

He's talking about making mats, which even though mats aren't totally bad, is a complete waste of time and resources and is generally going to be ineffective and impossible, at least with any standard of efficiency and cost effectiveness.

Now if he was asking where to BUY mats, I'm sure he would find lots of help.

[burnt]

Sorry I have no clue about the mat-making, but besides grass, if you have any sandy beaches nearby those are great. It doesn't hurt quite as much as grass, and it's hella harder to practice and get good height on sand. So, in theory at least, if you practice on sand, you'll be kickass when you finally try on grass.

Downside, crashing on sand leaves you finding sand seriously EVERYWHERE on yourself for days.

[abdominable]

All learning tricks onto mats does is TEACH YOU TO LEARN TRICKS ONTO MATS.

Take the mat away and you've gotta go through the whole thing again.



Not true. Take the mat away and you're a step ahead, because...

A) You know the movements
B) You have confidence, so you don't even have to worry about injuries/pain, which is the whole idea
C) You can jump higher/better on solid ground, so if you were landing moves on mats, you're golden

People are different. This guy is wanting mats, so why even reply to him, he's not going to change his mind.

"Why go to battle without armor, when you have not yet seen victory? When a warrior leaves his battle unmarred, only then should he take his shield down, and become swift."

[JiayoJames]

Shut up with the shitty quotes.

Mats, crashmats, plyo floor, foam pit... they all have their place in tricking. It's called a gym. Trying to make crappy home made mats out of fucking sawdust is a complete waste of time and will more likely hinder progress than aid it.

Seriously, falling over is a part of tricking. If you can't handle falling on grass then give the fuck up because tricking is not the right sport for you.

[Skippy]

Check this shit out homie. i had alotta haters on my jock last time tryin to put me down and sayin my crash wasnt great. i kno it was all that good but im back wit a new and improved one and if liked my last then u about to be blown away bcus THIS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZFd1Y0Dibk




In all fairness, alls this video teachs you is not to try back hand springs on ice, which is pretty damn common knowledge anyway.

[FuRoN]

*touches wood*

MmMmmmmm..

[TKD_Andy]

Not true. Take the mat away and you're a step ahead, because...

A) You know the movements
B) You have confidence, so you don't even have to worry about injuries/pain, which is the whole idea
C) You can jump higher/better on solid ground, so if you were landing moves on mats, you're golden

People are different. This guy is wanting mats, so why even reply to him, he's not going to change his mind.

"Why go to battle without armor, when you have not yet seen victory? When a warrior leaves his battle unmarred, only then should he take his shield down, and become swift."

seriously, shut the hell up. Sentimental shitty sayings about 'going to battle' are literally a pile of wank and have utterly no relevance to anything.

You get anyone to learn something on to a mat, then take the mat away. They're gonna be EVEN MORE nervous about doing it on a harder surface.

also, have you ever bailed a backtuck onto a crash mat right onto the point of your neck? Its gonna hurt exactly the same as if you crashed it on grass.


for your own sake, just stop posting :bad:

[Skippy]

If you need the mat, you shouldn't be trying the trick in the first place.

[TKD_Andy]

exactly.

also learning stuff onto a crash mat make it ALOT harder when you're doing backflips and aerial variations because you're doing it UP onto a higher surface, so you're more likely to crash it.

Plus, mats slip around, grass doesnt.

[diogoo]

Grass ftw!

[[RozoN]]

HAHA...I really don't get why andy and skillzat are being so rude here...I can't really agree to any of their statements in this thread...except andy's last one.

I learned my backflips onto my own made mats. Just used three old madrases (ghetto style FTW). Without them I didn't stand a chance of ever landing BFs, since all of my 50 first tries went straight onto the neck. And no it wouldn't be the same as doing it on flat ground, since this mat was pretty darn soft.

When I was secure on my backflip on the mat I just went straight to the ground and did it without hesitation...and landed it...so practically your claims about getting the fear back without mats is BS.

However I found a solution around mats eating your height and all. I just placed a wooden plank on top of some old tires :). And there I had a perfect way to learn backflips on :P.

I think I still has a vid of this "construction" :P

What I'm trying to say is that everyone has different methods to learning things. It's about finding the right method for yourself. If you learned doing your backflips on the ground, then it's cool, but dissing the other methods is just lame. I really get a clue that you haven't even tried doing them on mats...and by that you don't really have any right to judge weather this method is better or not...

[Skippy]

If you want to be able to backflip and you don't have a spotter, you just need to make sure that you know the technique inside and out. Then you just need to start training some tucking drills to make sure you can actually tuck quickly.

Grass isn't needed, if you bail onto your neck, you're not ready to try the trick in the first place.

Pre requisites to moves, and drills for moves are more whats needed then just throwing shit onto a mat hoping that ONE DAY your body will clock the right technique and you'll flukey land it.

When you're confident in your bodies ability to perform in the move, then you won't have any fear of trying the move when it comes to it anyway. And as it often happens, confidence is the biggest key to landed practically any move.

[abdominable]

Like I said, assmen. Mats are good. Mats don't slip if you put mats in the right places. Mats are a stepping stone for improvement. TKD, you're just defending your ego at this point. I'm outta this thread.

[Aahem]

In all fairness, alls this video teachs you is not to try back hand springs on ice, which is pretty damn common knowledge anyway.

Actually I tried to do a backflip(/tuck), but as you can see, I was an utter failure back then. Now I'm just a failure, not so much an 'utter' failure anymore.

But haha yeah, my point was that it's damn hard to break your neck even if you were being a total idiot as I was.


Oh, and I do think mats are MOSTLY a waste of time UNLESS you seriously can't find a spotter. For some moves it's good to have a mat to build some pseudo-safety, if you really feel like it. However, you should get rid of it as soon as possible. Generally, I would choose a spotter instead. That, or going to a gym with plyo floor. But if it works, then good for you.

I did learned my reverse gainer flashes on a mattress on my yard, cuz I didn't trust my spotter, and it did help with the fear. Then I just took the mattress off and got the move on grass without any fear whatsoever.


also, have you ever bailed a backtuck onto a crash mat right onto the point of your neck? Its gonna hurt exactly the same as if you crashed it on grass.


for your own sake, just stop posting :bad:

Yea, bailing a backtuck onto a crash mat hurts the same as if you crashed it on grass, but it does give you a feeling of safety, no matter how placebo it is.

And why are you so rude? Andy, seriously, your attidute :bad:


- Ade

[TKD_Andy]

i've phrased my posts the way i have because 'abdominable' has tried to apply some VERY airy fairy martial phrases to justify being a pussy.

There is absolutely no need to use any kind of mat to learn backtucks. It is completely unnecessary and is detrimental to the psyche at least of n00bs.

[Skilzat85X]

Matness?

...

[Mitkon]

No, sparta.

I would of felt safer learning back tucks on a mat (*not* crash mat), however I was psyched up for it in a place where mat's weren't, so I just tried it on grass and got it. I also did my first wall flip on concrete..

Had I had the choice between using a mat or grass at that time I would of chose mat. It gives you a false sense of safety..

-Mit

[Aahem]

i've phrased my posts the way i have because 'abdominable' has tried to apply some VERY airy fairy martial phrases to justify being a pussy.

This is true :cool:


There is absolutely no need to use any kind of mat to learn backtucks. It is completely unnecessary and is detrimental to the psyche at least of n00bs.
No, there is no "need", but it can help you. It creates a feeling of safety, even if it's only placebo. However, I agree that it can be "detrimental to the psyche" if you don't break the habit early on. I personally learned my backtucks on grass without a spotter, but I did find the mattress to be very helpful for the fear on Gflash. The way I see it, you can use a mattress *if you dont have a spotter*, but if you do decide to use it, you should break the habit as soon as possible so as to not get stuck.


- Ade

[kissing]

Get a mattress~


..and sleep on it together! Make love not war!

Lol

[thereid]

I use couch cushions from an old couch I use to have.