Boxcutter & double cork question

[Rudy]

I was watching the TF prestwick spring 2007 sampler and i noticed something. Is a consitent double cork semi-necisary for a really sick boxcutter (where the kick is comming out as a crescent or a hook while still spinning towards double cork). Do you get what i mean?

kinda like at 0:50 seconds here
http://youtube.com/watch?v=whc6wf5lENE

and like the hyper hook here
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/Lightechoes/m_37b22d02c5428f8f57ecc5cf6dfe6331.gif



Now keep in mind i know your supposed to learn the prereqs first then go to the next move, but i'm wondering if this trick would be best to be learned backwards in a sense

this is just something that has occured to me....:eh:

[Matt R]

You should learn boxcutter before double cork, but once you can easily double and boxcutter, its easier to rotate more so you face the direction of the hook/cresant.

[Jon P]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/Lightechoes/m_37b22d02c5428f8f57ecc5cf6dfe6331.gif

damnit anis.

[shengoikee]

ugh

i love boxcutters + hyperhooks

[Matt R]

+ I could double twist before i could hyperhook, it made it pretty easy.

[Rudy]

that's what i'm talking about matt

double corking before boxcutter
or
double twisting before hyperhook

[Ben]

your right, its called retro active transfer i think :nerd:

[shengoikee]

niiice avatar ben! you're getting sick dude

[Jon P]

Well when I got better at hyperhooks, doubletwists became easier.
Its obvious the more control you have over the move the better the variations will be. Hyperhook will build a lot of control in your btwist technique.

[shengoikee]

i have a question. do any of you think of a 720btwist as a hyperhook landing on the kicking leg (without a kick)? or am i overcomplicating it haha

[Ben]

niiice avatar ben! you're getting sick dude

:smile:

[Jon P]

i have a question. do any of you think of a 720btwist as a hyperhook landing on the kicking leg (without a kick)? or am i overcomplicating it haha

Nah I dont lol. I just think try to go straight up and then wrap really tight. lol
Dave C thinks "really good hypertwist, then keep spinning"
So whatever works I guess

[Rudy]

i understand it

[Dave C]

Dave C thinks "really good hypertwist, then keep spinning"

Or really good hyperhook, just make the hook into an extra rotation.

So no, you don't need doubles to have nice hyperhooking moves. Lets try to keep in mind that a btwist and a cork are more-or-less the same thing...

The "sickness" in the forementioned moves isn't coming from any extra rotation, but rather proper chambering of the kicking leg and good timing. Just like in btwist-rounds or cork-rounds, you want to extend the kicking leg just before the landing leg touches the ground, enabling you to let your kick come fullcircle and land back into a proper backstance.

Typically I've noticed that the chambers for moves like these are far more exaggerated than they would be for just normal hooking moves (i.e. cheat7s). I usually feel like I'm bringing my leg all the way up to my chest before extending it. What happens is that this chamber forces your body to become upright, enabling your hips to pivot over and kick higher/with better form

wow, i did not need to type that much. :smoke:

[Bubba]

trust me... you dont need double twist to hyper hook..... just trust me

[Rudy]

dave i've heard it from you a thousand and one times but for some reason that cleared it up

[Asura]

I was watching the TF prestwick spring 2007 sampler and i noticed something. Is a consitent double cork semi-necisary for a really sick boxcutter (where the kick is comming out as a crescent or a hook while still spinning towards double cork). Do you get what i mean?

I wouldn't say that. Constantly drilling your Boxcutter may be semi-necessary for a really dope Boxcutter [semi-necessary, cause there are the rare few you do them very well on the first try]. However, knowing how to Double Cork proficiently can give you the ability to place more torque into the Boxcutter [which could make it more powerful]; but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Boxcutter will be better.

The Boxcutter is a hybrid-type of trick, both a "twist" and a "kick" [even an invert for some]...to have an awesome Boxcutter, you'll need to be really good at both the "twist" and the "kick". Therefore, I would sumise that the best thing to train would be the Hyper Cork and the Boxcutter itself if you want to pick up the percision timing of when to launch the kick...and training the Double Cork to improve your overall twisting power [which will also improve your Boxcutter].

[Rudy]

thanks, sessh?

is that a new account?

[shengoikee]

Nah I dont lol. I just think try to go straight up and then wrap really tight. lol
Dave C thinks "really good hypertwist, then keep spinning"
So whatever works I guess

haha thanks :good: i guess they are completely different


some interesting stuff here!

was just drilling my hyperhooks tonight and this may come in useful.

[Asura]

thanks, sessh?

is that a new account?

Yeah, well sort of...I had made this account for when I do not make serious posts [but I happen to make serious posts all the time]. When I fell victim to the temporary ban of "that one thread", I just simply logged on to this account.

[TartanPajamas]

Hahaha, I thought some guy was just using Sessh' posting style.