View Full Version : Running Sideways WTF
Dark Twista
Jun-14-07, 02:36 PM
What the hell is this running sideways (j-step) gainerflash non sense.
What happened to the good old fashioned running straight forward :ogre:
[RozoN]
Jun-14-07, 02:39 PM
It's just a gainer from a j-step setup..
Dark Twista
Jun-14-07, 02:43 PM
Yes, I barly see anymore forward gainerflash's.
Dragonic MiKe
Jun-14-07, 02:45 PM
It's the same move.
A j-step basically is a straight gainer, just bent around a little for convenience.
Skippy
Jun-14-07, 02:49 PM
Thats because J steps are the best set up...
alpha7158
Jun-14-07, 02:52 PM
j step puts an tilt on your to the ground, this allows you to swing a straight leg into the gainer flash without having to worry about kicking the floor. The whole motion of the jstep gathers more momentum.
J-steps look better, get more hight, better split.
Kalvin
Jun-14-07, 04:15 PM
J-steps look better, get more hight, better split.
i have to disagree on the looks better, but it prolly does give you more height.
it does look better j-step
Dark Twista
Jun-14-07, 04:25 PM
But I find it so pointless. To turn like that when you could go sraight in.
EG: Aerial to gainerflash thats works
Aerial - j-step - Gainerflash way less flow
k-slash
Jun-14-07, 04:44 PM
Dark_twista, your an idiot.
Skippy
Jun-14-07, 04:54 PM
Dark_twista, your an idiot.
This very nearly made it into my signature
The Trooper
Jun-14-07, 04:57 PM
I normally do the straight gainers myself. In my opinion they look better, and I found that the j-step tends to tilt my gainers or make them twist and whatnot. I guess I'm just more comfortable with them, I'd say they look better though.
Flowers
Jun-14-07, 05:32 PM
lol who the fuck aerial straight gainers?
yea adding the jstep wouldn't flow, but that combo really doesn't have much flow to begin with.
Jstep is superior in everyway except the ability to do it in a hallway...
Dark Twista
Jun-14-07, 08:31 PM
Dark_twista, your an idiot.
Im sure I am. How bout you shut up?
lol who the fuck aerial straight gainers?
yea adding the jstep wouldn't flow, but that combo really doesn't have much flow to begin with.
Jstep is superior in everyway except the ability to do it in a hallway...
I do. Its work quite well considering that its not all one fucking move. Aerial TOOOOOOO Gainer that moves forward.
Yes it does depending on how fast and strong your aerial is.
Nope, your wrong.
I think this is a reflection of your style, dark_twista. Personally, I prefer straight gainers myself; it's how I've always done them, and going into aerial/twist/etc isn't that hard, but you have to adjust your rotation a bit since you're mid-air movement differs a bit.
It's good to know both for whatever situation may come; more power to you. Same as your old-school cork, while I'm pretty determined to nail while I try and get down back-full type corks. Different strokes, for different folks.
Spyder_V
Jun-14-07, 08:44 PM
The J-Step, if done correctly, doesn't travel sideways. Also, as Alpha said, the J-Step is simply used to gain more momentum. Lastly, the aerial gainer is a swingthrough move and the J-step is not used. It's plain stupidity to use it as an example.
Bonita
Jun-14-07, 08:44 PM
Dark Twista has brought up a good point, there for he is not an idiot. And even though the j-step gives you momentum, isn't the proper way forward? First the gainerflash should be learned the right way, which then (if wanted) the j-step could then be added for momentum. Also if you do not require the momentum when you do a gainerflash, why do it? It looks better the proper way.
Spyder_V
Jun-14-07, 08:47 PM
Dark Twista has brought up a good point, there for he is not an idiot. And even though the j-step gives you momentum, isn't the proper way forward? First the gainerflash should be learned the right way, which then (if wanted) the j-step could then be added for momentum. Also if you do not require the momentum when you do a gainerflash, why do it? It looks better the proper way.
Once again, the "looks better ___ way" is just a matter of opinion, therefore no one is correct. Also, it's argueable about one way being the "proper" way to learn it. Out of a J-Step, you can make a gainer flash REALLY floaty and pretty, which I have yet to see from a standing gainer flash.
Dark Twista
Jun-14-07, 08:50 PM
Ah, but you usually don't standing gainerflash. You take a few steps forward.
Spyder_V
Jun-14-07, 08:50 PM
Either way, the blocking used to J-Step and the blocking for a running is different.
Dark Twista
Jun-14-07, 08:53 PM
Yes it is. But Im just wonder why so many people use it more than normal forward gainer. Even noobs are j-stepping lol
Bonita
Jun-14-07, 08:54 PM
Once again, the "looks better ___ way" is just a matter of opinion, therefore no one is correct. Also, it's argueable about one way being the "proper" way to learn it. Out of a J-Step, you can make a gainer flash REALLY floaty and pretty, which I have yet to see from a standing gainer flash.
I understand what you mean by opinion, but what was the way that it was originally invented, if any one knows. The j-step would be the more modern version i'm guessing. And proper wasn't the right word, but original. A lot of people usually believe that the way that it was originally done and perfected is the "proper" way. And if the j-step makes it easier then it could be considered a "short cut".
Flowers
Jun-14-07, 10:33 PM
short cut or not I'd looooove to see someone double a straight gainer full
Skippy
Jun-15-07, 05:07 AM
Yes it is. But Im just wonder why so many people use it more than normal forward gainer. Even noobs are j-stepping lol
because its an awful lot easier then a forward gainer
short cut or not I'd looooove to see someone double a straight gainer full
One of my friends, Leigh Powis, who when it comes to flipping is like one of the best in the world at freerunning (when I say friend, I have him on msn, he lives in canada at the moment) has done a straight gainer 540 off grass onto sand, the height difference was a 20cms though.
Unfortunately, I don't have the video evidence, I can only offer other videos of him to show his skill in that hes definately capable of doing it, I do know however that there is footage of it (he released the footage of it on 3run.co.uk agesss ago but unfortunately, yousendit had expired by the time i came to downloading it)
If you want to see it though, PM me and I'll probably know someone who has the footage =]
Dark Twista
Jun-15-07, 05:41 AM
Point goes to skippy.
with a j-step you don't really go right over backwards, its kinda squint so its less scary to do it hence why noobs can do it.
where as a straight run up to a gainer flash you get the full feeling of going right back and if your new to it it can be quite scary no?
Skippy
Jun-15-07, 06:11 AM
Point goes to skippy.
HAHAR! siggified
kinetic
Jun-15-07, 02:14 PM
You can go straight over in a jstep. I dont get why people are acting like you cant.But yeah ill try a straight one today just for you :smile:
Skilzat85X
Jun-15-07, 02:28 PM
Who cares haha. J-Step gainers are more efficient so we use them. Running straight forwards isn't even going to get you proper technique points, so why not do the set up that is the most comfortable and allows you to pull the sickest/fastest/highest/better tricks.
pete_man_man
Jun-15-07, 02:30 PM
You can go straight over in a jstep. I dont get why people are acting like you cant.But yeah ill try a straight one today just for you :smile:
exactly
this is why i do j-steps:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=V0MH8SPK
Flowers
Jun-15-07, 02:50 PM
Dude thats awesome skippy! That'd be tight to see.
But regardless, If he had Jstepped he could've done 2.5 with a height like that
Andy R
Jun-15-07, 03:07 PM
who cares man. do what ever set up works for you.
Flowers
Jun-15-07, 03:14 PM
The tricking Gods CARE~~!!!
I can do pretty high forward gainers but they aren't flashed (: I do my gainer flashes from a jstep :P
Who cares haha. J-Step gainers are more efficient so we use them. Running straight forwards isn't even going to get you proper technique points, so why not do the set up that is the most comfortable and allows you to pull the sickest/fastest/highest/better tricks.
exactly.
getting gainers from a j-step:
makes you more comfortable for swingthroughs, as the motion is similar.
opens up gainer-switch swingthrough combos (try switching a straight gainer and swinging it through :ouch:)
opens up corks, gainer fulls, hypercorks, cork swingthroughs
is generally easier to do
is kiiiiiiind of linked to pivot gainers (i.e. reverse gainers, hence Dogen's Gainer Tutorial) so it isn't really an alternative to straight gainers, it's just another move.
/thread
Flowers
Jun-15-07, 04:33 PM
What was the name of swartz's black friend with ridiculously high straight gainers?
He was like
*Gainer* mid air "WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT!?"
Nick B
Jun-15-07, 04:44 PM
jstep allows for much more height and speed, looks better imo, and is all around a more versatile move. i dont like the look of straight gainers very much either.
The Trooper
Jun-15-07, 04:49 PM
who cares man. do what ever set up works for you.
qft!
Source
Jun-15-07, 05:34 PM
I don't like J-steps. I don't feel like I get good traction and may slip easier. Maybe I have smooth feet lol. I can however switch and swing through straight gainers so I don't feel like I'm at any disadvantage.
kinetic
Jun-15-07, 05:41 PM
What was the name of swartz's black friend with ridiculously high straight gainers?
He was like
*Gainer* mid air "WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT!?"
His name was Ray Lee :smile:
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