pop 1080 advice

[alpha7158]

I can get the rotation and the kick however every time I try I tilt off axis and fall over. Have any of you had the same problem and how did you get over it?

edit:
example
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/930/1080gn0.gif

[Traitor]

I can't pop 1080 but based on your problem I'm pretty sure it's your take off.

How do you take off? Do you lift 1 leg up or take a hop?

[alpha7158]

I can't pop 1080 but based on your problem I'm pretty sure it's your take off.

How do you take off? Do you lift 1 leg up or take a hop?

I take a hop step into it.

[Traitor]

There in lies the problem

DO NOT TAKE THE HOP STEP

I have no idea why but that step throws you off balance. If you need more power in your setup just lift the kicking leg a little off the ground before the kick.

[alpha7158]

by lift one leg up do you mean a cheat? Because I'm not trying to do cheat 1080.

[Traitor]

no lol I mean by lifting it before you take your first 180 degree turn BEFORE THAT. but only if you need extra power.

[alpha7158]

let me find an example...

[Traitor]

Sesh had one on the cheat 1080 but the same concept can be used on the pop 1080.

http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19888&highlight=pumping+cheat+1080
read it should help

notice how he slightly lifts that leg before he does the kick.

[Skilzat85X]

Eh plenty of people do it with the hop step, the only thing that could result from it negatively is if you let yourself keep going sideways after the hop step.

Could we see a video? Cause to be honest from the looks of most of your pop tricks your arms sorta flail out or they're in random positions, which I imagine may very well throw you off balance.

[Matt K]

Sesh had one on the cheat 1080 but the same concept can be used on the pop 1080.

http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19888&highlight=pumping+cheat+1080
read it should help

notice how he slightly lifts that leg before he does the kick.

Sess uses a hop step in his pop tricks: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kIIZPyhxZsQ

[TKD_Andy]

I can't pop 1080 but based on your problem I'm pretty sure it's your take off.


you say this, then say you dont actually know why its his takeoff... and you're still trying to tell him how to do it??

[alpha7158]

ok here is an example attempt:
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/930/1080gn0.gif

[alpha7158]

I like hop step, I don't think that is why I'm not landing it. It works for all of my other pop moves (e.g. see avatar)

[Traitor]

you say this, then say you dont actually know why its his takeoff... and you're still trying to tell him how to do it??

I am basing it on other pop tricks.

[TKD_Andy]

yeah andy im 100% sure you're not landing it for the reason i gave you on MSN.

guaranteed :good:

[Traitor]

For some people I've known in the past it was the hop could be something else i'm not 100% sure

[alpha7158]

For some people I've known in the past it was the hop could be something else i'm not 100% sure

you still haven't explained what this non hop step takeoff is....

[TKD_Andy]

myself, shengoikee and a shedload of other people have been using the hopstep for around four years now and its worked fine for us on 360s, fei longs, dlegs, cresc540s, 720s, 720 doubles, 900s, hyper720s, 720triples... the list goes on.

unless you've got personal experience that really shows definitively that its down to the hop step then there not much point mentioning it.

Kudos for trying to help though :good:

[Skilzat85X]

I think the problem is the takeoff, not to say that there's anything wrong with the hop step.

But when you do jump up your upper body keeps moving forwards whereas your lower body is still fixed since your feet are on the ground.

Either that, or I notice you seem to be arching your back when you first jump up. Or like, when you wrap in you sort of pull towards the side you tilt to, since you're still on the ground when you do this you pull your upper body towards that direction, causing the tilt.

It could be any one of those.

I'd just try consciously keeping your upper body erect, or pushing towards the side opposite the direction you're tilting towards.

[Traitor]

banned?

[WilliamT]

chamber the kick! doing it straight legged is hard

[Ryan Sas]

I just want to start by saying... wtf dude, you can 900 feilong and hyper 9 and all that but not 1080? haha awesome, i love you for that. ok, now i'll be helpful:

I had a similar problem, i also ran into it with cheat moves when i got to around the 900ish area. My friend Ben was studying stuff to improve his cheat 900, Emig was of course one of the main sources. Long story short, he saw the form where Matt did: Cheat 900 l=l (direction change) l=l cresent l=l (direction change) l=l 1080. I gotta hand it to him, he studied EVERYTHING to figure out what he was doing on his spins and such and came up with something interesting, that one i tried it, proved to be extremely effective.

Use whatever setup you want, let's get real, as long as your comfortable with it, who gives a shit what gay little steps you do before you jump? I mean, honostly... it's no harder to 1080 from standing than from shuffle step, spin hook, etc etc, so it's about what your body feels right doing. Have I drawn it out enough? lol.

HERES THE TIP:

::THIS ASSUMES YOU'RE SPINNING TO YOUR LEFT, REVERSE THE DIRECTION WORDS IF YOU SPIN RIGHT:: When you jump up bring both arms slightly higher than shoulder hieght for a split second, then take your right arm and pull across your body as though reaching for your right lower ribs from around your back; simoulntaneously use the left arm like you're throwing an elbow strike, shoulder level and keep pulling it around; your arms should form a set of parallel lines, left on top about 3-5 inches above your right arm.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dm35xcK4de8

Bringing it back to Mr. Emig, check out the backside video (above). Never mind that everytime he does it slowly to explain he doesn't put his arms like i just said, but if you watch the two at the end he has his arms in the formation aforementioned.

This helped me to keep my body straight as well as increase the control I had over my spins, with any luck it'll do the same for you man.

[Dragonic MiKe]

Shit, super clean attempt Andy. Except for the landing of course.

Your arms were under control! and the kick was big too. just gotta land that sucker.

[Scalco]

ok mang! Look at your arms and shoulders, they don't seem to lift much. So first of all, lift that SH*T up, then twist! It'll get you even higher. The other problem is "staying on axis" as kyle mclean once told me. What that means, is to keep your body perpendicular to the ground so that when you kick you don't end up falling on your side or rump (hehe funny word) So the way to do that is to work on taking off without leaning your body to the side, it might take a little work so good luck. Let me know if it helps.

[Kirkor]

I have a similar problem. Plus I don't get any height, even though i only tried it a couple of times. I'll upload a vid as soon as I get my camera.

[alpha7158]

thankyou for all the tips guys, I'll give it a shot next time I train.

[Asura]

Sesh had one on the cheat 1080 but the same concept can be used on the pop 1080.

http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19888&highlight=pumping+cheat+1080
read it should help

notice how he slightly lifts that leg before he does the kick.

I think he's talking about "pumping". Even then, that won't solve Andy's problem.

Andy needs to either not carry so much speed into his setup; or counter-lean to keep him upright during his spin. He could also jump from the ground with his legs spread about shoulder-length apart [right now they're together] to give him more stability...but he'll lose some overall height if he did that :eh:

[Spyder_V]

From what I see, Skillzat gave a REALLY valid point. It doesn't seem as though you're blocking enough so you go forward.
What I noticed more specifically is this: as soon as you start going up, you're straight, when you initiate the twist, you hook-punch with your right hand and THAT'S when you REALLY start getting off your axis. This set up works with a hyper9 because you can land it that way. If you were trying a hyper10, you'd probably be able to land it as well, but when trying to just do a 1080, you need to be straight.

[hwoarang]

i had the same probleme with the axis...it looked similiar to yours
i fixed it with going in the knees before jumping.
now my probleme is to get enough high for a good kick:tongue:

[pete_man_man]

just take a step like i did in this one:

http://www.divshare.com/download/1014868-03f

you will also notice that my head is kept neutral in the second and third spin which stops my balance being thrown off. i know the kick is minuscule but it was my first.:tongue:

i also squeeze my cheeks.... i'll let you decide which ones.