Best Instructional DVDs

[strmshdw4]

I thought that it'd be interesting to hear everyone's thought on instructional dvds. Here is a list of all the people, that I know of, who have made instructional dvds:


Anthony Atkins
Daniel Sterling
Jimmy Pham
Marc C
Matt Mullins
Hans Wikkeling
Ben Brown

Share your thoughts on who you think is the best at doing these videos, which single dvd is the best and rate the performer or dvds with the criteria below.


Variety of Tricks
Instruction of Tricks
Performance of Tricks
Difficulty of Tricks
Video Quality
Value Rating

[maxx]

hans is really good..slow mo and break downs. anthony atkins ones are a joke..dont even think about it. We watched those at like midnight at allstar camp..their soo bad their funny.

bens is ok i guess.

matt mullins has an instructional dvd? What techniques does he do..i just know about the book.

dunno about ds's,marc or jimmy's.

i know their are more of them..matt has a series and i wanna say kalman has one but not sure.

[strmshdw4]

Matt Mullins has a 'Basic Tricks Book and DVD'. I'm not sure if an instructional dvd or not.

[maxx]

Matt Mullins has a 'Basic Tricks Book and DVD'. I'm not sure if an instructional dvd or not.

probably has clips of the stuff he and craig teach in the book...so i assume its just as much a joke as the book.

best recommendation is just find some tricksters in your area...unless your trying to get into sport karate. Instructional dvd's are more geared towards competitors..i dunno if thats your goal..if not..just go find some tricksters in your area i bet you can find some and have them teach you..its more fun and you'll learn alot faster..plus its cheaper.

[strmshdw4]

I'm actually not looking to buy any of them I was just wondering what other people thought of them.

[CotyTricker26]

dont forget david douglas....

ok marc c. covers a lot of tricks but that is it.

ds has the best instruction hands down !!

matt emig's nunchuks one are excellent !!

[Andy Longcat]

Ben Brown's kind of a douche :/

I didn't like what he said about backyarders at all :bad:

[shengoikee]

daniel sterlings are supposed to be really good

i liked ben brown's. that's the only one i have myself.

Ben Brown's kind of a douche :/

I didn't like what he said about backyarders at all :bad:

i laughed and imagined giving him a high five hahaha

owned dave c

[Andy Longcat]

"If you call yourself a backyarder, you aren't really much at all"

or something :/


gaaaayyyy

[shengoikee]

ahhh i dunno. iv always hated the whole backyarder vs MA thing. IMO we all do the same thing. which is the only reason why i can relate to what he said, only not in the same way.

knowing someone's shit was most likely getting ruined because of what he said is why i found it so funny.

[Jon P]

the new loopkicks DVD will have tutorials when it comes out. Buy that. Trust me, it will be worth it!

Marc's DVD is pretty good, Bens was good, Hans was good...buying DVDs isnt gonna make you trick good though.
If you want to learn the best way is to practice, condition, practice, condition and then practice a ton more.

[shengoikee]

the new loopkicks DVD will have tutorials when it comes out. Buy that. Trust me, it will be worth it!

is this tong len's one? i do like the sound of what he's done..

[maxx]

i wonder if marc c would agree with everything thats on his dvd's today..cause when he did them he was either still a junior or just turned 18..he was pretty young...though his style has pretty much stayed the same. I know ds thinks differently about his stuff than he did when he first started making those dvds.

[Crazy Max]

"If you call yourself a backyarder, you aren't really much at all"

or something :/


gaaaayyyy

You're taking it out of context. You have to understand Ben's premise first.

[Andy Longcat]

Uh... well


That doesn't changed the fact that he said that + meant it.

[Jon P]

is this tong len's one? i do like the sound of what he's done..

Yeah, it is. Its gonna be epic haha.


Uh... well


That doesn't changed the fact that he said that + meant it.

Backyarders in ben browns mind = kids with no martial arts experience trying to copy advanced martial arts techniques and kicks with no real knowledge and claiming to be skilled.
You have to understand that "tricking" was once a thing only advanced martial artists did. Ben Brown coming from traditional martial arts and the competition circuit he had very strong opinions on these new "wanna-be" martial artists.

[maxx]

Backyarders in ben browns mind = kids with no martial arts experience trying to copy advanced martial arts techniques and kicks with no real knowledge and claiming to be skilled.
You have to understand that "tricking" was once a thing only advanced martial artists did. Ben Brown coming from traditional martial arts and the competition circuit he had very strong opinions on these new "wanna-be" martial artists.

do you think that was a fair assesment of backyarders at the time the comment was made?

[Jon P]

do you think that was a fair assesment of backyarders at the time the comment was made?

I would say so, I would say it still is some what. But only for part of the backyard community now.
Most have started to use martial arts core kicks and conditioning to supplement their training. You can tell.
By "backyard" Ben Brown is talking about those with no martial arts experience btw. He isnt talking about non-competitors (pretty sure he said he didnt like some things about competitors on the DVD as well), just those who try to "copy" martial arts techniques and claim to be skilled tricksters.
I hardly think Ben Brown really wanted to just bash kids for trying to trick.
More so, help them understand that is isnt just doing a few spins and sticking your leg out that will make you a skilled trickster. You have to understand the core martial arts technique as well.

[Skilzat85X]

I agree with Ben Brown in a sense, heavily.

First of all, Ben Brown himself said he's a martial artist, not a tricker like many of us. Not even a "Martial Arts Tricker".

To that end, I believe it is foolish for kids with little or no martial arts training to label themselves as "martial artists" or "martial arts tricksters." i've been sayin it for yeeears. It's stupid for people who haven't had any martial arts experience to try to be included on the same level as martial artists.

I mean, even a good tricker with no martial arts experience, even if he has higher level moves than Ben Brown, cannot be put on the same level as Ben Brown.

This why I'm a strong martial arts is here, tricking is here, martial arts tricking is in between, advocate.

But now you see, you have good martial artists who also term themselves trickers "the martial arts trickers", like Chris D, Anis, just about all the Loopkickers, and yea that's cool. Why? They've been trained as martial artists, so they can put themselves on the same level as martial artists.
Tricksters aren't necessarily martial artists, and martial artists aren't necessarily tricksters, but they can mix and match and have fun and draw pretty pictures.

[Reim]

Ben Brown by far!

[Jon P]

I agree with Ben Brown in a sense, heavily.

First of all, Ben Brown himself said he's a martial artist, not a tricker like many of us. Not even a "Martial Arts Tricker".

To that end, I believe it is foolish for kids with little or no martial arts training to label themselves as "martial artists" or "martial arts tricksters." i've been sayin it for yeeears. It's stupid for people who haven't had any martial arts experience to try to be included on the same level as martial artists.

I mean, even a good tricker with no martial arts experience, even if he has higher level moves than Ben Brown, cannot be put on the same level as Ben Brown.

This why I'm a strong martial arts is here, tricking is here, martial arts tricking is in between, advocate.

But now you see, you have good martial artists who also term themselves trickers "the martial arts trickers", like Chris D, Anis, just about all the Loopkickers, and yea that's cool. Why? They've been trained as martial artists, so they can put themselves on the same level as martial artists.
Tricksters aren't necessarily martial artists, and martial artists aren't necessarily tricksters, but they can mix and match and have fun and draw pretty pictures.

+2 but I might be biased seeing as I have done martial arts since I was 7 years old.

[Rocco]

I bought Marcel Jones tricking DVD and it is pretty good it goes over your basic tricking needs. 540, 720, double leg,b-twist, b-kick, aerial and also more advanced tricks like corks and gainer variations and sucide swipe and cheat 9s

[maxx]

I would say so, I would say it still is some what. But only for part of the backyard community now.
Most have started to use martial arts core kicks and conditioning to supplement their training. You can tell.
By "backyard" Ben Brown is talking about those with no martial arts experience btw. He isnt talking about non-competitors (pretty sure he said he didnt like some things about competitors on the DVD as well), just those who try to "copy" martial arts techniques and claim to be skilled tricksters.
I hardly think Ben Brown really wanted to just bash kids for trying to trick.
More so, help them understand that is isnt just doing a few spins and sticking your leg out that will make you a skilled trickster. You have to understand the core martial arts technique as well.

kinda ironic since its mostly gonna be tricksters who bought the dvd. Since at the time it was made ben had been out of the sport karate community for a long while. Like people knew he was part of loopkicks but he had not been competing for years and his lil internet fame was really coming from tricksters and the backyard tricking community. i like the irony.

[Cicero]

kinda ironic since its mostly gonna be tricksters who bought the dvd. Since at the time it was made ben had been out of the sport karate community for a long while. Like people knew he was part of loopkicks but he had not been competing for years and his lil internet fame was really coming from tricksters and the backyard tricking community. i like the irony.

I never thought of it that way, but now that you said that, it makes it much worse than i thought it was before.

He basically insulted all his fans.

[maxx]

I never thought of it that way, but now that you said that, it makes it much worse than i thought it was before.

He basically insulted all his fans.

pretty much...i've hung out with them naska "superstars" and tricksters..he's wayyy more respected in the tricking community than in the sport karate community.

[strmshdw4]

I thought it was kinda crazy that Atkins tricked on concrete in his bare feet in his first dvd, but overall this dvd wasn't that great.

[maxx]

I thought it was kinda crazy that Atkins tricked on concrete in his bare feet in his first dvd, but overall this dvd wasn't that great.

atkins is a beast and hasnt gotten injured which is amazing. Watch his sampler with haime..he talks about that shit.

His instructional dvd is hooorrrible aand hilarious ...he has like some kid doing the tricks as he explains them.

atkins: now here is ryan, ryans gonna perform a sideswipe...*proceeds to explain a sideswipe*

*ryan does a laidback 540*

atkins:wasnt that a wonderful move?

now imagine all thise with a lisp. man i need to buy those dvds and get drunk wit some tricksters and watch them.

[Andy Longcat]

hahahaha

[ben brown]

hello, hello! =)

just wanted to throw my piece out there right fast.

i agree very much that some of my comments have been taken out of context.

when i think of "tricks", i think of competition because i competed for years and that was my introduction to those kinds of techniques. when i was competing, there were A LOT of people who watched videos and came to tournaments to compete in black belt divisions (i knew one such specific person personally and was from my hometown). needess to say, it is very irritating to compete against people who are in a black belt division and have never trained in the martial arts. competetion is a serious thing. competing is both expensive and time consuming and it is frustrating to come to a tournament and compete against people that dont know what they are doing and are not taking it seriously. this is more or less my definition of a "back yard tricker". also, for the record, it is these same very "back yard trickers" that compete in tournaments against black belts when they themselves have never trained in the martial arts whom i am directly refering to during that conversation..... NOT THE TRICKING COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. for posterity sake, i wont mention names.... however, there is a certain individual that crosses the lines between gymnast, martial artist, and tricker and will never clarify or devote himself to any particular art or craft because he can earn the nods of many fans by riding the coat-tails of all of them..... whats more, is that he claims he does it all in the name of art!! "multiple movement's" do not make you well rounded. logic and skill do. although i have no knowledge of this person ever competing, this person serves as an example of the "backyarder".

in my eyes, you have "martial arts" and "tricking". they are very separate and different from one another (dave c has made this point many times in the past and i agree with him.) however, there is an in-between which i call the "backyard tricker". actually, there is "backyard" everything, but in that particular conversation the topic was "tricking". for example, i have met many "backyard martial artists" and "backyard musicians". a "backyard martial artist" is someone claiming to have trained in a way or in a style they never have or has absolutely no dedication to the principles or technical qualities of the martial arts. if, as a martial artist, you spend all of your time swinging your leg like a club into a heavy bag without putting thought, time, and effort into the actual study of the technique......... then you my friend are a "backyard martial artist"...... do some search on youtube, it is riddled with such people (ie. one who has never put the painstaking time into the devolpment of true ability or skill, but implies in one way or another that they have.)

i respect ability.
i do not respect artificial so-called "talent".

when did i ever say that any one particular person was a "backyard tricker"? i never have.

here are some names:
reim
matt r
dave c
ryan r

in my opinion, all of the above mentioned are TRICKERS, true to their sport, and i have a lot of respect for these people and what they have done within their sport. they are not "backyard trickers" in my eyes because they are true to their sport. people take a blanket statement that i made and apply it to ALL trickers. for that reason, it is being taken out of context to a rather large degree. i could add SOOO MANY more names to this list but this illustrates my point.

maxx -

i also feel that your comment regarding "respect" is taken out of context. the so-called "naska superstars" have no reason to "respect" me in the way you are implying the word. the reason for this is because i have never competed against any of them. most of them started competing when i was done. furthermore, i dont know any of them on a personal level whatsoever. as far as respect goes, our level is most likely on an even keel....... they respect and have a large amount of knowledge concerning athletic showmanship and competition. i have respect for the martial arts and the people who TRULY dedicated their lives to the mastery of the martial arts and themselves.

however, concerning "respect" in a competition sense of the word, i respect the following:
alex davydov
mike testa
darrell lewis
david douglas
butch marks
jon valera
casey marks
steve miller
manny brown

the reason for this has nothing to do with who they are, but rather that i have known all of them at some point on a personal level and have competed against/or with them in numerous tournaments. there is no grounds for "competitive respect" any other way than the above mentioned.

[Andy R]

when i think of "tricks", i think of competition because i competed for years and that was my introduction to those kinds of techniques. when i was competing, there were A LOT of people who watched videos and came to tournaments to compete in black belt divisions (i knew one such specific person personally and was from my hometown). needess to say, it is very irritating to compete against people who are in a black belt division and have never trained in the martial arts. competetion is a serious thing. competing is both expensive and time consuming and it is frustrating to come to a tournament and compete against people that dont know what they are doing and are not taking it seriously.
Well people have different levels of serriousness. some people might compete just for fun not caring if they win or not.

[Andy Longcat]

I tricks for fun.

[maxx]

maxx -

i also feel that your comment regarding "respect" is taken out of context. the so-called "naska superstars" have no reason to "respect" me in the way you are implying the word. the reason for this is because i have never competed against any of them. most of them started competing when i was done. furthermore, i dont know any of them on a personal level whatsoever. as far as respect goes, our level is most likely on an even keel....... they respect and have a large amount of knowledge concerning athletic showmanship and competition. i have respect for the martial arts and the people who TRULY dedicated their lives to the mastery of the martial arts and themselves.

however, concerning "respect" in a competition sense of the word, i respect the following:
alex davydov
david douglas
butch marks
jon valera
steve miller
manny brown

the reason for this has nothing to do with who they are, but rather that i have known all of them at some point on a personal level and have competed against them in numerous tournaments. there is no grounds for "competitive respect" any other way than the above mentioned.

i never said who didnt respect u, so theirs no way you can say who it is or if they respected u in the way i implied. I never said who it was so you can't say you were done competing when they started.

i meant respect in terms of skills and tricksters have respected your skills for years.

i noticed you mentioned ryan rempfer in terms of backyard tricksters...he does martial arts and has a blackbelt and is devoted to that part of the craft.

[ben brown]

maxx -

my point is that our definition of "respect" is going to be considerably different regarding this topic.

i have NEVER competed on the NASKA circuit............ you said "NASKA superstars". i hope you can clearly understand why i made the connection that i did.

A LOT of people competing in the last few years have come from "competition schools" as opposed to "traditional schools". what i respect in a martial artist is going to be very different from what i respect in a competitive performance. i respect a good performance from a performer very much, however, one is not the same as the other and i am simply saying that the use of the word "respect" in this case is extremely relative.

unless the goals are the same (and they rarely are) what is "respected" among people is inevitably going to vary greatly.

EDIT:

MAXX!!
see there is the problem right there!! i did not list ryan rempfer as a "backyard tricker". i said that ryan is a TRICKER who is true to his sport, along with the other people that i mentioned. something like that falls through the cracks and suddenly that is how things are taken out of context. read, speak, and write carefully or there is going to be massive mis-understandings between people.

[Skilzat85X]

Oh good lord Ben Brown I loooooooooooooooooooooove you hahah.

I think the only thing though, is the misconception of terms that is making people upset, ha! Most people think of backyard trickers by the fact that they literally practice tricks in their "backyard" ahahah, signifying the lack of formal instruction in gym/MA.

Your spin on the term backyard is quite different and probably why some people took it offensively.

Good show!

[ben brown]

HAHAHAHAA!!! REALLY?!?!?!!? (!?!?!?!?!you know you love it jan =)!?!?!??!?!?!)

thats what all the fuss is about??!?!

well then hell, i'm a backyarder too then because i have been training in my backyard for years!!!!

i sincerly apologize for the mis-understanding on my part. as i said before, my intention was never to offend any one person or any one group of people. however, i do have a SERIOUS problem with people watering down what otherwise is or was a pure art or craft (or a sport for that matter).

however, like maxx, i have never mentioned the specific people that i am refering to regarding this topic. so i have never understood why it makes some people angry. for the most part, with only very few exceptions, if i have never been in the same room as you at one point in my life, i am NOT talking about you. i may make blanket statements from time to time, but i wont make blanket judgements. furthermore, for the record, 99.9% of my problem HAS ALWAYS BEEN with people who wear a "black belt" around their waist but are so far from being a martial artist (both from a principle AND technical aspect) that it makes chuck norris' head hurt........ and that is saying something. obviously trickers do not fall into this category.

thank you for understanding my perspective skilz!!

i like your avatar very much!!!

and......... i love you too!!!!!!! =)

[Nathan.P.]

Ben Brown you should go to Loopkicks Camp next week. =)

[ben brown]

ITS NEXT WEEK?!?!?!?! :shocked:

[Nathan.P.]

ITS NEXT WEEK?!?!?!?! :shocked:

Yeah haha

[Andy Longcat]

i sincerly apologize for the mis-understanding on my part. as i said before, my intention was never to offend any one person or any one group of people. however, i do have a SERIOUS problem with people watering down what otherwise is or was a pure art or craft (or a sport for that matter).




Yeah. That's how I feel about hippies that join my Capoeira class.


And "alternative" culture, because they usually don't know what the hell they're doing, and they always like "yeah, I'm a capoeirista. I got my first cord"


phhhhtttt gtfo with that shit, losers.

[maxx]

Oh good lord Ben Brown I loooooooooooooooooooooove you hahah.

I think the only thing though, is the misconception of terms that is making people upset, ha! Most people think of backyard trickers by the fact that they literally practice tricks in their "backyard" ahahah, signifying the lack of formal instruction in gym/MA.

Your spin on the term backyard is quite different and probably why some people took it offensively.

Good show!

yup he hit the nail on the head.


HAHAHAHAA!!! REALLY?!?!?!!? (!?!?!?!?!you know you love it jan =)!?!?!??!?!?!)

thats what all the fuss is about??!?!

well then hell, i'm a backyarder too then because i have been training in my backyard for years!!!!

i sincerly apologize for the mis-understanding on my part. as i said before, my intention was never to offend any one person or any one group of people. however, i do have a SERIOUS problem with people watering down what otherwise is or was a pure art or craft (or a sport for that matter).

however, like maxx, i have never mentioned the specific people that i am refering to regarding this topic. so i have never understood why it makes some people angry. for the most part, with only very few exceptions, if i have never been in the same room as you at one point in my life, i am NOT talking about you. i may make blanket statements from time to time, but i wont make blanket judgements. furthermore, for the record, 99.9% of my problem HAS ALWAYS BEEN with people who wear a "black belt" around their waist but are so far from being a martial artist (both from a principle AND technical aspect) that it makes chuck norris' head hurt........ and that is saying something. obviously trickers do not fall into this category.

thank you for understanding my perspective skilz!!

i like your avatar very much!!!

and......... i love you too!!!!!!! =)

its all gravy i respect your martial arts and tricking skills..cause that's what i've seen from you. Don't know you as a person beyond loopkicks 05 and what you say online but from that view you are a pretty cool person...and was a very willing teacher to help kids at loopkicks 05 so its all dope to me.