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Just James
Jul-13-07, 11:04 PM
surfstarchris (2 weeks ago) Marked as spam
this; martial arts? please. the only thing this gives you is cardio. what the hell are you going to do a flying backflip into a split in a fight for? give me a break.
haha i saw this comment about a week ago on my samp and just laugh everytime i see it. anyone else had any recently?
pete_man_man
Jul-13-07, 11:08 PM
nudes or it didn't happen
Just James
Jul-13-07, 11:11 PM
heh?
its silly how good you are james.
pete_man_man
Jul-13-07, 11:23 PM
heh?
don't argue, just do it
shengoikee
Jul-13-07, 11:48 PM
AHAHAHHA
yay let's absolutely rag the shit out of him =)
*searches*
Just James
Jul-14-07, 12:13 AM
its silly how good you are james.
thanks simon, ur not too bad yourself :wink:
AHAHAHHA
yay let's absolutely rag the shit out of him =)
*searches*
hahaha i just read your post dave on surferguy, thanks man.
it was posted on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wePHFpSysd8 that same version of my samp
I get comments such as these all the time...sometimes as messages on my Youtube account; sometimes as comments my "non-tricker" friends make from time to time.
I agree...a little
In a one-on-one conflict, or a duel, tricking techniques are hard to implement. This is mainly due to the responsibility of the target/opponent, which is to focus on his target [you] and either supress it; or oppress it.
This makes his actions completely personal and more focused; therefore, 100% of his attention is upon his target. He will not be had by "cheap tricks" that is devoid of any strategy.
you = o - | - target = x - | - telegraphed movement = ---> - | - movement = --->
□ Trick/Circumstance - 540 [offensive] - - - - -In an offensive circumstance, the 540 is
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - _ too slow. By the time you actually get
x - - - o - | - x <--- o - | - <--- x <--- o - - _ the kick out, your opponent will move.
□ Trick/Circumstance - 540 [defensive] - - - _ Even in a defensive situation, the 540 has
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - _ little worth. You'll be hit before your 540
x - - - o - | - x ---> o --->- | -x o - - - - -- _ will hit.
Now this is a simple thing to understand. A "telegraphed" movement is always slower than an instant one...so yes, using a "trick" in a duel is not wise. However, this does not mean that it is useless.
I disagree...alot [here's why]
1) There are several things that can be implemented to "dull" the senses of an opponent [feints, flower, etc.]. I for one like to use "time/space manipulation" [where I fluctuate between fast and slow movements over variably changing space], but that's another story :wink: In fact...so much can be done with offensive strategies, that you can say a "trick" could be gauranteed to land.
2) Another thing we must consider, is that "fights" can occur anywhere. What if you're fighting in an "low volume space" [restroom, hallway, garage, etc.]? The model displayed above would have different results. In the "offensive" study...the 540 would connect, because the target would attempt to back up, and find out that he can't because of the wall at his back. Environment effects circumstance...
3) Also, you have to consider the obvious. Martial Arts Tricking is not a martial art; it is a skill. It is not meant to be used as an MA; however, it can exist as an MA skill.
□ Most people say: "Aww that shit'll never work in a real fight..."
□ But: they think that the user will use it as an MA [trying to fight with tricking combos]
They couldn't be more wrong. They're trying to reduce the usefulness of MAT by making it seem like it's ineffective [in which they fail, cause MAT is not an MA anyway]. They try to paint a picture of a person trying to hit a "trained" fighter with a tricking combo [which is ridiculous & stupid, but they're ignorant...so that's how they think]. They don't expect to see a person use proper MA technique in conjunction with MAT. It is this very thing, that allows "tricks" to work in fights.
□ They expect: Cork > hook > Sideswipe > Btwist-round
□ They don't expect: knifehand block > straight > round kick > 1337 Kick > back kick
If you think about how that would look coming at you [especially after you were countered by the "straight"], you have to admit that the 1337 Kick would confuse the hell out of you...and probably lead to you getting hit by the "back kick".
4) What about disputes between multiple targets? What if you're getting jumped? In this circumstance, you don't want to be a static target. You're going to need to be able to address multiple targets while constantly moving...agility, endurance, and stamina is what you're going to need...and "tricking" supplies that.
When multiple people attack a single target, their reaction times are dramatically slower than normal...this is because they have more things to focus on [their target, and their allies]. Also, they attack differently, abandoning heavy/big attacks [wouldn't want to hit their friends, would they?]...so they're a bit more predictable and sluggish.
you = o - | - target = x - | - telegraphed movement = ---> - | - movement = --->
□ Trick/Circumstance - Outnumbered & Surrounded
x - - - o - -x - ...| - x - - - .<---x - ...| - x - - .<--- x.-- . | - x - - - x
x - - - o - - -x - | - x <--- o <--- x...| - x o ---><---x... | - x o ---> x
Attack first, don't give them a chance to formulate a plan. Make the first attack sharp and fast, and be sure to attack in the direction of the least number of targets.
The other target's will attack under a premise of protecting the target you just assaulted [so they'll be shocked first, making their movement slightly slower]; however, they will not be able to attack you immediately.
Use this chance to do something offensive & flashy [Illtwist]...by the time you get the kick out, your targets should be there [they could retreat, but that'll be hard due to the fact they just used their energy to move forward].
- - - - .x - .. | - - - -- . x - . .| - .. x
x ---> o x - | - x ---> o x - | - x _ x
- - - - - - _ . | - - - - - -| - - -|
- - - - - - --- | - - - - -..ˇ - .- | - . .o
Once you perform the Illtwist, the first target will attempt to get you. The other targets should be bewildered by what they just saw, and grow timid.
Avoid the "blindside-attack" with an evasive roll.
This is where you want to be...not surrounded, and with an avenue for escape. You win :ninja:
Closing...
More importantly, there is nothing to be gained from arguing with fools. Knowledge is power...if they know nothing about MAT or the martial arts for that matter, then they are of little stature...and their biased comments hold no weight nor hope of becoming valid in this topic, or any other related topic.
:: DO NOT QUOTE THIS PLEASE ::
Skilzat85X
Jul-14-07, 04:52 AM
That is one of Sessh's best posts ever.
...no I didn't read it. I probably don't even agree with the content.
BUT ITS DANG PRETTY!!!!!!!!
glide2
Jul-14-07, 05:06 AM
Sesshoumaru for president
Those diagrams are so cute
Inkrepid
Jul-14-07, 05:17 AM
Ahaha the diagrams seemingly make sense, but I dont understand any of it...darn engineers.
Sesshoumaru for president
Those diagrams are so cute
:good: :good: :good:
Who needs Juji when you have Sessh?
Just kidding.
WilliamT
Jul-14-07, 06:35 AM
How I see it...
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I get comments such as these all the time...sometimes as messages on my Youtube account; sometimes as comments my "non-tricker" friends make from time to time.
I agree...a little
In a one-on-one conflict, or a duel, tricking techniques are hard to implement. This is mainly due to the responsibility of the target/opponent, which is to focus on his target [you] and either supress it; or oppress it.
This makes his actions completely personal and more focused; therefore, 100% of his attention is upon his target. He will not be had by "cheap tricks" that is devoid of any strategy.
you = o - | - target = x - | - telegraphed movement = ---> - | - movement = --->
□ Trick/Circumstance - 540 [offensive] - - - - -In an offensive circumstance, the 540 is
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - _ too slow. By the time you actually get
x - - - o - | - x <--- o - | - <--- x <--- o - - _ the kick out, your opponent will move.
□ Trick/Circumstance - 540 [defensive] - - - _ Even in a defensive situation, the 540 has
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - _ little worth. You'll be hit before your 540
x - - - o - | - x ---> o --->- | -x o - - - - -- _ will hit.
Now this is a simple thing to understand. A "telegraphed" movement is always slower than an instant one...so yes, using a "trick" in a duel is not wise. However, this does not mean that it is useless.
I disagree...alot [here's why]
1) There are several things that can be implemented to "dull" the senses of an opponent [feints, flower, etc.]. I for one like to use "time/space manipulation" [where I fluctuate between fast and slow movements over variably changing space], but that's another story In fact...so much can be done with offensive strategies, that you can say a "trick" could be gauranteed to land.
2) Another thing we must consider, is that "fights" can occur anywhere. What if you're fighting in an "low volume space" [restroom, hallway, garage, etc.]? The model displayed above would have different results. In the "offensive" study...the 540 would connect, because the target would attempt to back up, and find out that he can't because of the wall at his back. Environment effects circumstance...
3) Also, you have to consider the obvious. Martial Arts Tricking is not a martial art; it is a skill. It is not meant to be used as an MA; however, it can exist as an MA skill.
□ Most people say: "Aww that shit'll never work in a real fight..."
□ But: they think that the user will use it as an MA [trying to fight with tricking combos]
They couldn't be more wrong. They're trying to reduce the usefulness of MAT by making it seem like it's ineffective [in which they fail, cause MAT is not an MA anyway]. They try to paint a picture of a person trying to hit a "trained" fighter with a tricking combo [which is ridiculous & stupid, but they're ignorant...so that's how they think]. They don't expect to see a person use proper MA technique in conjunction with MAT. It is this very thing, that allows "tricks" to work in fights.
□ They expect: Cork > hook > Sideswipe > Btwist-round
□ They don't expect: knifehand block > straight > round kick > 1337 Kick > back kick
If you think about how that would look coming at you [especially after you were countered by the "straight"], you have to admit that the 1337 Kick would confuse the hell out of you...and probably lead to you getting hit by the "back kick".
4) What about disputes between multiple targets? What if you're getting jumped? In this circumstance, you don't want to be a static target. You're going to need to be able to address multiple targets while constantly moving...agility, endurance, and stamina is what you're going to need...and "tricking" supplies that.
When multiple people attack a single target, their reaction times are dramatically slower than normal...this is because they have more things to focus on [their target, and their allies]. Also, they attack differently, abandoning heavy/big attacks [wouldn't want to hit their friends, would they?]...so they're a bit more predictable and sluggish.
you = o - | - target = x - | - telegraphed movement = ---> - | - movement = --->
□ Trick/Circumstance - Outnumbered & Surrounded
x - - - o - -x - ...| - x - - - .<---x - ...| - x - - .<--- x.-- . | - x - - - x
x - - - o - - -x - | - x <--- o <--- x...| - x o ---><---x... | - x o ---> x
Attack first, don't give them a chance to formulate a plan. Make the first attack sharp and fast, and be sure to attack in the direction of the least number of targets.
The other target's will attack under a premise of protecting the target you just assaulted [so they'll be shocked first, making their movement slightly slower]; however, they will not be able to attack you immediately.
Use this chance to do something offensive & flashy [Illtwist]...by the time you get the kick out, your targets should be there [they could retreat, but that'll be hard due to the fact they just used their energy to move forward].
- - - - .x - .. | - - - -- . x - . .| - .. x
x ---> o x - | - x ---> o x - | - x _ x
- - - - - - _ . | - - - - - -| - - -|
- - - - - - --- | - - - - -..ˇ - .- | - . .o
Once you perform the Illtwist, the first target will attempt to get you. The other targets should be bewildered by what they just saw, and grow timid.
Avoid the "blindside-attack" with an evasive roll.
This is where you want to be...not surrounded, and with an avenue for escape. You win
Closing...
More importantly, there is nothing to be gained from arguing with fools. Knowledge is power...if they know nothing about MAT or the martial arts for that matter, then they are of little stature...and their biased comments hold no weight nor hope of becoming valid in this topic, or any other related topic.
:: DO NOT QUOTE THIS PLEASE ::
How I see it...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I get comments such as these all the time...sometimes as messages on my Youtube account; sometimes as comments my "non-tricker" friends make from time to time.
I agree...a little
In a one-on-one conflict, or a duel, tricking techniques are hard to implement. This is mainly due to the responsibility of the target/opponent, which is to focus on his target [you] and either supress it; or oppress it.
This makes his actions completely personal and more focused; therefore, 100% of his attention is upon his target. He will not be had by "cheap tricks" that is devoid of any strategy.
you = o - | - target = x - | - telegraphed movement = ---> - | - movement = --->
□ Trick/Circumstance - 540 [offensive] - - - - -In an offensive circumstance, the 540 is
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - _ too slow. By the time you actually get
x - - - o - | - x <--- o - | - <--- x <--- o - - _ the kick out, your opponent will move.
□ Trick/Circumstance - 540 [defensive] - - - _ Even in a defensive situation, the 540 has
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - _ little worth. You'll be hit before your 540
x - - - o - | - x ---> o --->- | -x o - - - - -- _ will hit.
Now this is a simple thing to understand. A "telegraphed" movement is always slower than an instant one...so yes, using a "trick" in a duel is not wise. However, this does not mean that it is useless.
I disagree...alot [here's why]
1) There are several things that can be implemented to "dull" the senses of an opponent [feints, flower, etc.]. I for one like to use "time/space manipulation" [where I fluctuate between fast and slow movements over variably changing space], but that's another story In fact...so much can be done with offensive strategies, that you can say a "trick" could be gauranteed to land.
2) Another thing we must consider, is that "fights" can occur anywhere. What if you're fighting in an "low volume space" [restroom, hallway, garage, etc.]? The model displayed above would have different results. In the "offensive" study...the 540 would connect, because the target would attempt to back up, and find out that he can't because of the wall at his back. Environment effects circumstance...
3) Also, you have to consider the obvious. Martial Arts Tricking is not a martial art; it is a skill. It is not meant to be used as an MA; however, it can exist as an MA skill.
□ Most people say: "Aww that shit'll never work in a real fight..."
□ But: they think that the user will use it as an MA [trying to fight with tricking combos]
They couldn't be more wrong. They're trying to reduce the usefulness of MAT by making it seem like it's ineffective [in which they fail, cause MAT is not an MA anyway]. They try to paint a picture of a person trying to hit a "trained" fighter with a tricking combo [which is ridiculous & stupid, but they're ignorant...so that's how they think]. They don't expect to see a person use proper MA technique in conjunction with MAT. It is this very thing, that allows "tricks" to work in fights.
□ They expect: Cork > hook > Sideswipe > Btwist-round
□ They don't expect: knifehand block > straight > round kick > 1337 Kick > back kick
If you think about how that would look coming at you [especially after you were countered by the "straight"], you have to admit that the 1337 Kick would confuse the hell out of you...and probably lead to you getting hit by the "back kick".
4) What about disputes between multiple targets? What if you're getting jumped? In this circumstance, you don't want to be a static target. You're going to need to be able to address multiple targets while constantly moving...agility, endurance, and stamina is what you're going to need...and "tricking" supplies that.
When multiple people attack a single target, their reaction times are dramatically slower than normal...this is because they have more things to focus on [their target, and their allies]. Also, they attack differently, abandoning heavy/big attacks [wouldn't want to hit their friends, would they?]...so they're a bit more predictable and sluggish.
you = o - | - target = x - | - telegraphed movement = ---> - | - movement = --->
□ Trick/Circumstance - Outnumbered & Surrounded
x - - - o - -x - ...| - x - - - .<---x - ...| - x - - .<--- x.-- . | - x - - - x
x - - - o - - -x - | - x <--- o <--- x...| - x o ---><---x... | - x o ---> x
Attack first, don't give them a chance to formulate a plan. Make the first attack sharp and fast, and be sure to attack in the direction of the least number of targets.
The other target's will attack under a premise of protecting the target you just assaulted [so they'll be shocked first, making their movement slightly slower]; however, they will not be able to attack you immediately.
Use this chance to do something offensive & flashy [Illtwist]...by the time you get the kick out, your targets should be there [they could retreat, but that'll be hard due to the fact they just used their energy to move forward].
- - - - .x - .. | - - - -- . x - . .| - .. x
x ---> o x - | - x ---> o x - | - x _ x
- - - - - - _ . | - - - - - -| - - -|
- - - - - - --- | - - - - -..ˇ - .- | - . .o
Once you perform the Illtwist, the first target will attempt to get you. The other targets should be bewildered by what they just saw, and grow timid.
Avoid the "blindside-attack" with an evasive roll.
This is where you want to be...not surrounded, and with an avenue for escape. You win
Closing...
More importantly, there is nothing to be gained from arguing with fools. Knowledge is power...if they know nothing about MAT or the martial arts for that matter, then they are of little stature...and their biased comments hold no weight nor hope of becoming valid in this topic, or any other related topic.
:: DO NOT QUOTE THIS PLEASE ::
who needs to quote when you can copy and paste. oh and I saved this to a word doc. I'm totally gonna repost this in a couple months or so in a similar thread and take credit for it. :tongue:
Tocano
Jul-14-07, 06:35 AM
1. Tricking is not martial arts and is not meant for fighting.
2. Most martial arts suck for real fighting anyway.
Q.E.D.
People should stop calling it "martial arts tricking" (or "martial arts trick" as in your sampler). Just call it tricking. People are less likely to flame (i hope).
By the way, whats the difference between XMA and tricking?
Skilzat85X
Jul-14-07, 06:42 AM
1. Tricking is not martial arts and is not meant for fighting.
2. Most martial arts suck for real fighting anyway.
Q.E.D.
People should stop calling it "martial arts tricking" (or "martial arts trick" as in your sampler). Just call it tricking. People are less likely to flame (i hope).
By the way, whats the difference between XMA and tricking?
XMA is mostly just commercialized "extreme" stuff meant to appeal to little newbie people, hence the X in the name, which generally is used to try to sound COOL.
Dude there is still martial arts tricking, it's done by uhhh...martial artists haha. They incorporate it into their forms! That's how it all began. Now we have martial arts tricking and then just tricking tricking done by people who don't do martial arts or whateverness.
But I agree, they are two different things while yet being one in the same, mostly.
Now what we DONT need is another 20 page debate and people flaming this guy for "hating on MATz" or whatever. Skilzat shall make sure of it.
Tocano
Jul-14-07, 06:55 AM
Now what we DONT need is another 20 page debate and people flaming this guy for "hating on MATz" or whatever. Skilzat shall make sure of it.
awww :sad:
William...you completely missed the meaning behind "do not quote this please". I didn't just mean it in a literal sense, I meant it as in general...do not reproduce it in any way :tounge:
You also "pasted" it twice...
If [and when] you decide to post that information in a thread, you will see just how hard it is to format a message such as that one...
Traitor
Jul-14-07, 07:12 AM
Sesh how long exactly do you spend making comments like this on average? Also, how do you find the patience?
Sesh how long exactly do you spend making comments like this on average? Also, how do you find the patience?
I was about to ask that.
I saw a guy in a real sparring match do a J-step slant gainer and then a fast hook kick and nailed a guy in the face. Good Fucking game.
WilliamT
Jul-14-07, 07:20 AM
yes but If you didn't say do not quote this post, I would have no reason to do that. but since you did I must do something It's part of the joke. Also part of the joke is to avoid the real meaning behind what you say. Why do I do this? because It's 2:00 AM and I've got nothing better to do.
and I don't see what so hard about posting the your stuff(I've done it before lol) I just open up the word document and copy and paste from their. or I could just save your post to favorites and come back to quote it and just remove the tags. :tongue:
Sesh how long exactly do you spend making comments like this on average? Also, how do you find the patience?
I spent about 45 minutes on that one. It's the diagrams that take the most time, cause when you use the "advanced text editor", the preview sets a smaller margin [the text runs longer horizontally in the "preview" than it does in the actual thread]. If I was to make a diagramed post haphazardly, there is a great chance that the information will come out fragmented/broken [so alot of guess'timation goes into it].
It is this same reason why I don't like it when people quote my "diagramed posts". When you do this, it sets the margins even bigger...so diagramed information gets distorted [and I'm all about presentation].
The patience comes from my personal history. Once more, my desire to educate outweights the frustration of trying to educate. It's fun for me...and it merits well.
Aznjumpkick
Jul-14-07, 08:05 AM
dude i love those comments they make me so happy.
psycho mike tried hitting me with a 540, i moved and punched him. but he nailed a guy who thought he wuz tough with it and knocked him out. good times.
gay fag:''yeah that shit doesnt work..u wouldnt last in the ring''
KJER: ''Yeah thats why im not in the ring idiot.. ure kickboxin shit wouldnt work either if i brick u on the head asshole..''
tuareg
Jul-14-07, 10:04 AM
gay fag:''yeah that shit doesnt work..u wouldnt last in the ring''
KJER: ''Yeah thats why im not in the ring idiot.. ure kickboxin shit wouldnt work either if i brick u on the head asshole..''
Haha that made me laugh.
@Sessh: Is that from personal experience?
Wow people look into this a fair bit... I always pass it off as an argument from incredulity, that is, 'I do not know how, therefore it cannot be done'. So in this situation, "I do not know how it could be implemented into a fight, therefore it cannot be implemented into a fight".
Yep, ignorance is sweet...
shengoikee
Jul-14-07, 01:27 PM
i gotta say that was an enjoyable read, sessh.
you explained in a way i could understand and iv always seen the concept of using a trick in a fight as "blasphemy" in a way haha (much like arrogance).
like anything though, there will be those who "can" and those who "can't".
gay fag:''yeah that shit doesnt work..u wouldnt last in the ring''
KJER: ''Yeah thats why im not in the ring idiot.. ure kickboxin shit wouldnt work either if i brick u on the head asshole..''
AHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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