PAIN doing dips

[frika]

Hey there y'all.

Every time I do dips, I end up fucking something up in between my shoulder and my neck.

it's fine during the exercise but as soon as I release pressure from the grip I have an extreme shooting pain just above my collarbone. As a result of this I have entirely stopped doing dips of couse, aside from the occasional single attempt but it just ends in the same thing.

It doesn't seem to coincide with how deep I'm going and even with a slight dip, well before my arms are parallel to the floor the pain will come.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I WANNA DO DIPS

[Rahf]

Ask a PT or physio (preferably the second one) and have them look at technique etc. Stay away from dips until you have an answer from a professional.

[rock_ten]

Every time I do dips, I end up fucking something up in between my shoulder and my neck.

it's fine during the exercise but as soon as I release pressure from the grip I have an extreme shooting pain just above my collarbone.

I had exactly the same problem with dips back in the day, and I also stopped doing them. I don't like them anyway. I've posted about it on several forums but no one seems to know what causes it. Its clearly quite a specific problem with how the pain only comes upon unloading of the shoulders after the set.

I've had the same thing in my wrists, too, when tyre flipping and deadlifting - its fine until the load is released then a sharp pain flares up.

Fuck dips, they're shit anyway and give you weird pecs.

[Rahf]

Genetics give weird pecs. To a degree.

[rock_ten]

how about, genetics AND training (including dips)?

[Rahf]

Well unless you have adequate volume on the pecs, you can't really tell if they look weird or not.

For example, having a wider "crack" between the pecs is not controlled by how you train as it is by how your body actually looks and how much muscle you actually have there.

If training did play such a big part, everyone would look pretty much identical when it came to the chest area.

[rock_ten]

Well unless you have adequate volume on the pecs, you can't really tell if they look weird or not.

so? If the lights are off you can't tell either. What's this got to do with the issue?

For example, having a wider "crack" between the pecs is not controlled by how you train as it is by how your body actually looks and how much muscle you actually have there.

But doesn't "how you train" affect "how your body looks and how much muscle you actually have there"?

If training did play such a big part, everyone would look pretty much identical when it came to the chest area.

If it played such a big part that it was the only factor, then yes. But it isn't, so it doesn't.


I don't know why you bothered to write any of that, Rahf.

Do you believe that one can't develop pecs into different shapes by different training approaches? That no matter what the stimulus, one can only grow or shrink them into the template fixed by one's genetics?

[Rahf]

Hahaha you are truly much like Brian in that you interpret ways in such a twisted way. I never claimed that it was absolute truth, infact I claimed genetics have an effect, to a certain degree.

Of course training does affect how the pecs look, but you can't really say that they will look one way unless you have adequate volume there. You cannot erase a crack inbetween your pecs by training a certain way and keeping your original volume, the muscles are attached and won't shift in that manner.

Your first remark is just immature.

If training did play a big part everyone would look pretty much the same. I did not claim everyone would look the same. You seem to have a serious problem of grasping words that limit the meaning of a sentence.

We are coming off-topic as well, enough babbling, create a new thread if you want to continue this discussion.

[mr popular]

All muscles can be shaped to a certain degree, although it us usually over the long-term that this will occur. Sometimes not, in the case of the upper/lower pectorals.

And you get pain doing dips because young people have an unfused sternum that is victim to some shearing force while doing this movement.

I do dips behind my back with my feet supported by a chair. It solved this problem for me.

[rock_ten]

Hahaha you are truly much like Brian in that you interpret ways in such a twisted way. I never claimed that it was absolute truth, infact I claimed genetics have an effect, to a certain degree.

And I never said you DID say that. And you never said I did you say you said that. And so on. When I ask a question like "Do you believe that [scenario] is true" then I am infact actually *asking* you, so that your answer will clarify what you're saying to me. I'm not TELLING you that is what you believe, I'm actually asking my own questions to fill in the gaps and ambiguities in what you might have said.

Of course training does affect how the pecs look, but you can't really say that they will look one way unless you have adequate volume there. You cannot erase a crack inbetween your pecs by training a certain way and keeping your original volume, the muscles are attached and won't shift in that manner.

Your first remark is just immature.

If training did play a big part everyone would look pretty much the same. I did not claim everyone would look the same. You seem to have a serious problem of grasping words that limit the meaning of a sentence.

This just hinges on what "big part" means. Accord to what you said there then a "big part" is a role sufficiently important to make all other influences redundant, right? That wouldn't have been my choice of definition for it, since it puts a needless middle-man of ambiguity there - why not just say "If training was the *only* influence"?

Again, *I* didn't claim that *you* claimed everyone would look the same. I ASKED you if this was the case.

We are coming off-topic as well, enough babbling, create a new thread if you want to continue this discussion.

For future reference, if I ask you a question about some scenario or "So are you saying that..." then I am truly asking you and not putting words into your mouth.

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My original mention of dips making the pecs bottom-heavy was just a passing comment and I can't always be bothered to involve all neccessary clauses excusing and excluding other variables to perfectly frame the actual role that dips have in pec shape. I think what I said about them was quite reasonable.

[Phil D]

i had this problem, i used to feel a pain across my clavicles when id finished my set, it went away after a while

[rockmonkey]

dont bounce when you do them, do them controlled and slow,

[frika]

Hey, been away for a few days.

thanks for the advice~ I have been doing them slow and controlled, no bouncing, I think I'll just stay away from them. There are other exercises afterall....

[Ashtar]

Do you get pain even doing them unweighted? Maybe you can use stretch bands to take some of the weight off and see if that makes the pain go away until you get stronger.

Or, does it only happen at the bottom? You could use less RoM.

How far apart the grip bars are and how you position your torso and the speed you do the movement (no bouncing like you said) are changeable factors.

[Chuck The Truck]

Do you have any problem doing incline bench? Most of people I know having problem doing dips have shoulder problems, due to the fact that the major pectoralis, when it hypertrophies,becomes too tight and pull on your rotator cuffs. Try to strenght your rotator cuffs just for fun and tell me how it goes after that.

[Ashtar]

Pec deck!

[rock_ten]

it's fine during the exercise but as soon as I release pressure from the grip I have an extreme shooting pain just above my collarbone.

read that part again, dudes. Its a very specific kind of problem. During the set there's no pain at any point in the ROM. When transfering weight off the hands and back onto the feet after the last rep, then comes the pain. The pain is proportional to how quickly the hands/arms/shoulders are deweighted. OP - you'l notice that doing it verrrry slowly will let you escape the pain.

[frika]

hrm, interesting theory, i will try this today. will post when i see how it goes.

[Rahf]

Working out rotator cuffs should be a staple in everyones workout plans.

[Ashtar]

Lol rotator cuffs.