Can't land my 540

[Bruce]

I've been trying to land this move for months but have had no luck, I have a good tornado kick but I just can't land on the kicking leg. Which I don't understand because my kicking leg is always trailing behind me. I just can't tuck in that non-kicking leg, everytime I do I stop kicking.

Help me please, I'm becoming frustrated.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6FvXY-iNMoI

[*<User Name]

It's not that good.


Check your arm placement, they're down and out by your side! Do you think this will help your move at all? Get them in a fighting guard position.

[skullmyst]

i have the same problem. i can't transition from this step (tornado) into a real 540.

[Casland]

You know what? I had the exact same issue. Where it's just sorta like..."Wtf how do I get this leg all the way up and around again?". Then I realized that even though the tornado is a prerequisite, this kick really isn't like a tornado kick. The difference is in the actual kicking. In a tornado, you can sort of just hop off of the one leg and let centrifugal force do the work for you. In the 540 kick however, you have to push it around. Once you throw those arms up and jump, you have to really KICK the leg through the trick. You can't relax, you have to see the leg all the way through it. You have to push push push push, until you land. The kicking leg's job doesn't end once it's in the air, it has to pull you around, so use it!

[Traitor]

Ok firstly you aren't skilzat so take off the damn shoes.

Secondly your going to have to be willing to fall (commitment!) and sacrifice a high kick simply to land it ^.^.

[Violent Cobra]

your left leg need to be tucked and check your arm placement kick your right leg hard and high and land on it dont worry if you crash

[Skilzat85X]

Ok firstly you aren't skilzat so take off the damn shoes.

:juji:


Anyways, simple problem: Dude isn't jumping. He's only spinning. You can in fact, tell this by how high he goes (or doesn't go) and how his arms arms are not pulling up at all, they are merely spun around.

[Dragonic MiKe]

http://trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?p=616543#post616543

[skullmyst]

i cant get much height from a cheat setup... how do you get mad height?

-bend your jumping leg
-throw 1st leg up as high as possible (bent all the way? or semi-bent?)
-throw arms up

[TheSpammyOne]

Actually, I got some questions as well. I figure I'll mooch here instead of makin my own thread.

As skullmyst asked, when you throw the 1st leg up, is is bent? Mega bent? Not really but kinda bent? Am I pretending to knee some really tall guy in the nuts?

Secondly, when people say chamber the kick, what do I interpret that to mean? Is it like a snapping kick, where I pull my foot basically to my ass, then whip that mad bastard around? I don't understand how I'm supposed to chamber it.

Also, I've been experimenting with a scissoring movement with my kicking leg and non kicking leg to get my hips over. Good or bad?

Finally, I have a horribly bad problem where like, I'm fucking horizontal when I throw this. My kick is still 90 degrees, but I whenever I think "I'm gonna kick really god damn high this time!" I just end up laying back even more.

Right now I'm landing on the kicking leg, but I have to immediately put my hands down so as to not crush my face into mush. I can commit to landing it, but I can't actually land it. Any help is awesome.

[Itzdajeef]

i personally find tornado kicks a waste of time in learning 540. The kicks are two different type of motions. The 540 kick requires you to whip your leg all the way around starting at the point of take off. The important thing to keep in mind is that you have to drive that leg all the way through until you touch the ground. Also there is a lot of hip involvement in this move, where you have to rotate your hips a lot more than you have to on a tornado.

When i first learned 540s, i just tried setting my first leg high, and then try to force my leg over. it kind of feels like you're trying to kick downward into someones neck. I suggest watching matt emig's 540 tutorial on bilang. it will help u understand the need to drive the leg all the way through.

[Skilzat85X]

MATT EMIG'S 540 TUTORIAL ON BILANG IS COMPLETE BS FOR PEOPLE LEARNING 540s! His 540 is superb, however HIS METHOD OF TEACHING IT IS SAAAAAAD! NOW A BUNCH OF STUPID KIDS PUMP THEIR LEG UP THEN BACK DOWN OVER THEIR LEGS AND TRY TO CALL IT A 540! IT IS PATHETIC!

YOU DO NEED TO TORNADO KICK TO HAVE A 540 THAT ISN'T A PIECE OF ABSOLUTE CRAP! WHY? BECAUSE IF YOU CAN 540 YOU CAN TORNADO KICK. IF YOU CAN 540 AND YOU CAN'T TORNADO KICK, YOU'RE A PIECE OF CRAP AND YOUR 540 PROBABLY LOOKS LIKE A PIECE OF CRAP. THE 540 IS A CONTINUED AND EMPHASIZED TORNADO KICK. TO ARGUE WITH ME ABOUT THIS IS BLASPHEMY.

[skullmyst]

matt emig gives you the "cheap" approach to learning 540's. Skilzat, did you learn the 540 the "expensive" way? just drilling tornadoes till they're fucking god and then simply landing on the kicking foot after your tornado was good enough?

the difference is that the "cheap" way can help you get a 540 fast, but its crap when u get it.

the "expensive" way takes forever (4+ months, at least) to learn but once u hyper it its awesome.

personally, i favor a combination of these two techniques to learn the 540.

[Skilzat85X]

The cheap way doesn't even teach you a 540, it teaches you some thing where you lift your leg up then shove it ack down again.

:: NOT A 540 ::

[Itzdajeef]

In reference to the guy in the video, he doesnt need to drill more tornadoes, he has the basics well enough. He DOES need to drill 540s and force the kick through and learn to use his hips more.

[tricker_d]

Without the kick, a 540 is just a 540 jump. Its supposed to be a 540 kick.

[tuareg]

I almost landed my 540 yesterday. Again.


Anyway, just drill tornados until you get more hight not just with your kick, but until you can actually jump higher. That would be a good start.

[TheSpammyOne]

What the hell. I expected skilzat to pwn my questions with a fountain of answers. Instead I get a faceful of bowser and hate and no matt emig.

[Dave]

MATT EMIG'S 540 TUTORIAL ON BILANG IS COMPLETE BS FOR PEOPLE LEARNING 540s! His 540 is superb, however HIS METHOD OF TEACHING IT IS SAAAAAAD! NOW A BUNCH OF STUPID KIDS PUMP THEIR LEG UP THEN BACK DOWN OVER THEIR LEGS AND TRY TO CALL IT A 540! IT IS PATHETIC!

no....

YOU DO NEED TO TORNADO KICK TO HAVE A 540 THAT ISN'T A PIECE OF ABSOLUTE CRAP! WHY? BECAUSE IF YOU CAN 540 YOU CAN TORNADO KICK. IF YOU CAN 540 AND YOU CAN'T TORNADO KICK, YOU'RE A PIECE OF CRAP AND YOUR 540 PROBABLY LOOKS LIKE A PIECE OF CRAP. THE 540 IS A CONTINUED AND EMPHASIZED TORNADO KICK. TO ARGUE WITH ME ABOUT THIS IS BLASPHEMY.

yes

That step is crucial in learning 540s, if you cannot simply do the set up, jump off your right leg and bring it around so you can land on it again then you cannot 540.

Tornado kicks are as crucial, yes...

[Dave]

matt emig gives you the "cheap" approach to learning 540's. Skilzat, did you learn the 540 the "expensive" way? just drilling tornadoes till they're fucking god and then simply landing on the kicking foot after your tornado was good enough?

the difference is that the "cheap" way can help you get a 540 fast, but its crap when u get it.

the "expensive" way takes forever (4+ months, at least) to learn but once u hyper it its awesome.

personally, i favor a combination of these two techniques to learn the 540.

there is no "cheap" and "expensive" way. You cannot invent ways.

A correct way caters to the practitioner's weaknesses in the move. E.g. cant get a high kick? Spend time doing dynamic flexibility work. Cant kick powerfully? practice your kicks on ground and work on control.

There is no one way which is universal, however, there are good guides.

A good guide would be something like

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> Work on dynamic flexibility

> Work on rounds/inward crescents

> Practice tornado kicks until:

- The set up feels powerful and controlled

- The kicking leg is straight uponkicking , is high and is chambered before the kick

- The non kicking leg isn't put down early [you should have already kicked your target]

- You keep "good" form [arms used appropriately, not flailing around, land controlled and stay controlled throughout]

> Make sure you can do the set up, and [with a bent leg and not much of a kick] jump off and land on the same leg, e.g. jump off right leg and land on right leg

> Practice 540's with big emphasise on kicking strongly, the peak of your move should be the kick

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That's just my advice on what to do, it doesnt detail how to do it however. It could be extended to have more dot points off those dot points and then even more to become more detailed and etc.


You will find with people who learn it the tornado kick way that their main problem is getting a "nice slice" as juji would say. When you do your 540, as you kick with your kicking leg your non-kicking leg comes back and that creates the "slice".

If you have just been practicing tornado kicks your non kicking leg will not be used to doing much so you need to consciously make it come back and oppose the direction of your kicking leg [to cancel out its current, outward momentum].

That's why that step Matt Emig talks about is crucial.


/end long post

[kamikaze!]

I've been trying to land this move for months but have had no luck, I have a good tornado kick but I just can't land on the kicking leg. Which I don't understand because my kicking leg is always trailing behind me. I just can't tuck in that non-kicking leg, everytime I do I stop kicking.

Help me please, I'm becoming frustrated.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6FvXY-iNMoI

I know what you mean, ive been trying to get this move for MONTHS.
I could tornado same as you, and I was also doing it the same as you.
Then I went in a gym, on a plyo and I landed it on my 3rd try.
So, go to a gym. Try it on plyo. And I bet you WILL land it.

And after you get a hang of it on a plyo, then move to the grass.


Cheers mate, and good luck!!!:juji:

[Skilzat85X]

Hmmm ok let's try these questions...

As skullmyst asked, when you throw the 1st leg up, is is bent? Mega bent? Not really but kinda bent? Am I pretending to knee some really tall guy in the nuts?
Personal preference; depending on your level of flexibility. Whatever is comfortable will work, however do not throw it too high or too low.

Secondly, when people say chamber the kick, what do I interpret that to mean? Is it like a snapping kick, where I pull my foot basically to my ass, then whip that mad bastard around? I don't understand how I'm supposed to chamber it.

You chamber it simply by letting your kick leg bend or bending it yourself before you kick it! That simply allows for the kick to be FASTER. After you jump off your leg, just bend it. OR, simply delay the kick after you jump! Why? Because after you jump off the kicking leg, if you don't start kicking it from there, it will automatically (if you're jumping relatively straight up not out to the side or whatever) bend in! This happens all the time after you jump, your leg usually doesn't just stay straight unless you tell it to, if you apply all that force upwards it wants to bend up. So just, delay the kick, but make sure you jump up quite forcefully, as that will ensure your kicking leg "auto chambers".

Also, I've been experimenting with a scissoring movement with my kicking leg and non kicking leg to get my hips over. Good or bad?
Scissoring? Unnecessary.

Finally, I have a horribly bad problem where like, I'm fucking horizontal when I throw this. My kick is still 90 degrees, but I whenever I think "I'm gonna kick really god damn high this time!" I just end up laying back even more.

Pull your arms up towards the front of you, be sure to spot your target very much, consciously tell your body to be upright. Make sure you lift your body up, do a straight up jump propelling your whole body up.

Right now I'm landing on the kicking leg, but I have to immediately put my hands down so as to not crush my face into mush. I can commit to landing it, but I can't actually land it. Any help is awesome.
Try turning into the landing more. After the kick reaches it's peak and starts to come down, stop looking at the target and turn your head in the direction you're going.


Anyways, on to another point.......
BLASPHEMY! NOOOOOO!
Matt Emig's tutorial is CRAP! Learning how to force the landing on the kicking leg is NOT going to help. It is crap! The only thing you need to learn is a tornado kick! Through a tornado kick you learn:
- The setup
- The jump
- The kick
- How to actually kick and not push your leg up and down like a piece of crap.
The tornado kick is the ONLY thing you need to know and it is essential. Other than that you need a swell range of dynamic flexibility, which you should be able to do if you can tornado kick anyways.

MATT EMIG'S 540 TUTORIAL NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OFF THE INTERNET!

[Dave]

Anyways, on to another point.......
BLASPHEMY! NOOOOOO!
Matt Emig's tutorial is CRAP! Learning how to force the landing on the kicking leg is NOT going to help. It is crap! The only thing you need to learn is a tornado kick! Through a tornado kick you learn:
- The setup
- The jump
- The kick
- How to actually kick and not push your leg up and down like a piece of crap.
The tornado kick is the ONLY thing you need to know and it is essential. Other than that you need a swell range of dynamic flexibility, which you should be able to do if you can tornado kick anyways.

MATT EMIG'S 540 TUTORIAL NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OFF THE INTERNET!

Please read my post on the bottom of page 2...

Things a tornado kick doesnt help with:

- Landing on the kicking leg
- Forming correct habits on what to do with your non-kicking leg

Once again, if you cant jump off your kicking leg, swing it around over your left leg and land on it again, then you cannot 540.

Just like the OP, you can see he doesnt ever get his kicking leg over his non-kicking leg, the hips will not turn over until that happens and the little drill emig talks about is very useful for this.

It will give confidence and the correct feeling of having to pull back your non-kicking leg which will then mean the last step is to do the same but with a strong kick...

It's not useless by any means

[Skilzat85X]

WRONG! The 540 isn't about forcing the landing on the kicking leg! That's only a result of throwing a clean swiping kick all the way through that lands on the kicking leg because it's a clean swiping kick that goes all the way through.

And that retarded as frick piece of crap 540 step over thing does NOT help build proper form, it in fact, builds IMPORER form. A tornado kick IS proper form, for a 540 is a tornado kick landed on the kicking leg. The entire structure is the same.

If you cannot do a tornado kick and land on the kicking leg, then you are NOT READY to land on the kicking leg. Forcing the landing makes it a piece of crap.

The stupid stepover is completely useless for all intents and purposes of having a half way decent proper 540, so says Skilzat, who is well experienced in the analyzation and execution of proper and efficient tricking techniques!

[TheSpammyOne]

Hmmm ok let's try these questions...

Personal preference; depending on your level of flexibility. Whatever is comfortable will work, however do not throw it too high or too low.

You chamber it simply by letting your kick leg bend or bending it yourself before you kick it! That simply allows for the kick to be FASTER. After you jump off your leg, just bend it. OR, simply delay the kick after you jump! Why? Because after you jump off the kicking leg, if you don't start kicking it from there, it will automatically (if you're jumping relatively straight up not out to the side or whatever) bend in! This happens all the time after you jump, your leg usually doesn't just stay straight unless you tell it to, if you apply all that force upwards it wants to bend up. So just, delay the kick, but make sure you jump up quite forcefully, as that will ensure your kicking leg "auto chambers".

Scissoring? Unnecessary.

Pull your arms up towards the front of you, be sure to spot your target very much, consciously tell your body to be upright. Make sure you lift your body up, do a straight up jump propelling your whole body up.

Try turning into the landing more. After the kick reaches it's peak and starts to come down, stop looking at the target and turn your head in the direction you're going.



And that is why everyone loves you. Thanks.

[skullmyst]

the step over in matt emig's tutorial is kinda stupid. anyone can do that. I'm talking about a bent leg setup where your kicking leg is semi-bent.

and its not completely useless, a beginner of 540's needs to learn to "switch" their kicking and non-kicking legs in the air, and feel what its like to drive that kick home. If a bent-knee 540 helps them do that, then YEAH its good!

Skilzat, how long did it take you to learn 540's? I dont know HOW you get so much height even with shoes on, but when you were learning it, you probably got enough air to simply land on the kicking leg in your tornado without much of a problem after a couple months or something.

Unfortunately, so of us dont have the technique or plain jumping ability to do that. therefore, the mechanics of the kick are more crucial. (not saying you have bad technique at all, and especially now you don't because you have one of the most floaty and high kicks out there.)

[TheSpammyOne]

Haha, also, why is skilzat alternating between Brawl characters? More importantly, why the HELL did he have sonic? Don't tell me you're one of "those" people who thinks he's going to be in it.

[Dragonic MiKe]

Once again, if you cant jump off your kicking leg, swing it around over your left leg and land on it again, then you cannot 540.

If you cant jump off your kicking leg, swing it around over your left leg and land on it again you are probably in a wheelchair.

If you get your tornado kick high enough it should not be a struggle to land on the kicking leg.

[redbarron]

shouldnt the non-kicking leg be like a whip? and...like...go in one direction incredibly fast..while the kicking leg goes in the other direction...? thats...just what i thought at least...

[Skilzat85X]

shouldnt the non-kicking leg be like a whip? and...like...go in one direction incredibly fast..while the kicking leg goes in the other direction...? thats...just what i thought at least...
Nah dude, there's no real "whipping" that does anything. But you should still do that general motion if you want, since it helps you land on the kicking leg smoothly. :good:

[redbarron]

:smile:alright, thanks!!

[Dave]

WRONG! The 540 isn't about forcing the landing on the kicking leg! That's only a result of throwing a clean swiping kick all the way through that lands on the kicking leg because it's a clean swiping kick that goes all the way through.

And that retarded as frick piece of crap 540 step over thing does NOT help build proper form, it in fact, builds IMPORER form. A tornado kick IS proper form, for a 540 is a tornado kick landed on the kicking leg. The entire structure is the same.

If you cannot do a tornado kick and land on the kicking leg, then you are NOT READY to land on the kicking leg. Forcing the landing makes it a piece of crap.

The stupid stepover is completely useless for all intents and purposes of having a half way decent proper 540, so says Skilzat, who is well experienced in the analyzation and execution of proper and efficient tricking techniques!

You are clearly too emotional about doing things "your way" that you can't have a decent discussion on this. It's pretty stupid really, you don't learn by getting defensive/over-protective on your own beliefs.

You probably have a different experience with the move than me, which is fine. But if you cannot accept that someone else has learned/experienced different things than you and can give advice contradictory to yours then you really are being ignorant.

Different people learn in different ways, giving someone alternative options as to how they can go about doing a move is not a bad thing.

If you read the rough guide I posted you will also note I emphasised the importance of the tornado kick...

[Skilzat85X]

And I emphasized the UNimportance of the fag little step over thing It is in fact, you who are foolish to think I'm getting that emotional over it, haha.

I mean, what the heck, I couldn't care less about how he learns it. Of course I care a litttttle, but we all do. Otherwise, I wouldn't be posting here and trying to help. I'm just saying what IS and what ISN'T beneficial for learning said move. The step over is NOT beneficial and is in fact detrimental to the move, as it does NOT require the range of flexibility or coordination needed for a 540. It does NOT require you to spot your target, and most importantly: does NOT require you to throw a kick of any sorts out. The kick is what makes the 540, without the powerful kick you cannot land on your kicking leg and do the kick, you even do the kick and don't land on the kicking leg, or you just shove your leg up and down.

Different people learns different ways...but there is always a best way that works for most people haha.

[Dave]

.......................[A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAI_5RT1ylU
.......................B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrTFlBzH2mg

For close to a month I could not turn my tornado [which was decent] into a 540. Then one night at work I realised that I couldnt even really do a 540 without worrying about the kick [with a bent leg at all]. I realised i wasn't getting my right leg over my left leg. As this is the point when the hips can turn over quickly, it was obviously a big problem.

I focused on bringing my non-kicking leg back and eventually got what you see as A. From that, I implemented my tornado kick principles and ended up with B.

Note those are from Mid to late May and not an accurate depiction of some of my better 540s, but you can see the point.

[Skilzat85X]

A is a piece of crap lol.

It shouldn't take the stupid stepover to tell you that you need to turn your hips over; that's basic technique analysis right there.

Whatever, if it worked for you hurray. But I personally am not going to recommend it, and am in fact going to recommend avoiding it.

[Dave]

there is no "cheap" and "expensive" way. You cannot invent ways.

A correct way caters to the practitioner's weaknesses in the move. E.g. cant get a high kick? Spend time doing dynamic flexibility work. Cant kick powerfully? practice your kicks on ground and work on control.

There is no one way which is universal, however, there are good guides.

A good guide would be something like

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

> Work on dynamic flexibility

> Work on rounds/inward crescents

> Practice tornado kicks until:

- The set up feels powerful and controlled

- The kicking leg is straight uponkicking , is high and is chambered before the kick

- The non kicking leg isn't put down early [you should have already kicked your target]

- You keep "good" form [arms used appropriately, not flailing around, land controlled and stay controlled throughout]

> Make sure you can do the set up, and [with a bent leg and not much of a kick] jump off and land on the same leg, e.g. jump off right leg and land on right leg

> Practice 540's with big emphasise on kicking strongly, the peak of your move should be the kick

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's just my advice on what to do, it doesnt detail how to do it however. It could be extended to have more dot points off those dot points and then even more to become more detailed and etc.


You will find with people who learn it the tornado kick way that their main problem is getting a "nice slice" as juji would say. When you do your 540, as you kick with your kicking leg your non-kicking leg comes back and that creates the "slice".

If you have just been practicing tornado kicks your non kicking leg will not be used to doing much so you need to consciously make it come back and oppose the direction of your kicking leg [to cancel out its current, outward momentum].

That's why that step Matt Emig talks about is crucial.


/end long post

*QUOTED FOR EMPHASIS*

I still dont think you have read this, because if you had you would've noticed the importance I placed on tornado kicks and how the 2nd last dot point is more of a "checking step" than something Im recommending to "drill". It's something you must be able to do and for most it will be very easy but for those who are [without noticing] letting their non-kicking leg travel outwards on their tornado kick, it will be a real eye opener.

It's an error checking step...

[Skilzat85X]

That's why that step Matt Emig talks about is crucial.
I'm quoting this for emphasis:
CRAAAAAAAAAAAAP

[Dave]

A is a piece of crap lol.

You dont get it at all do you? It's not meant to look good, it was me learning how to land on my kicking leg [which i was having major struggles with]. And as you can see in B, it allowed me to do so... Once i was comfortable with A I applied the tornado kick "rules" .


It shouldn't take the stupid stepover to tell you that you need to turn your hips over; that's basic technique analysis right there.

I knew I had to, but I physically couldnt do so. Also, at the point before A, I didnt realise getting my right leg over my non-kicking leg and my nonkicking leg "under" my kicking leg that my hips would be able to turn over easily.

Whatever, if it worked for you hurray. But I personally am not going to recommend it, and am in fact going to recommend avoiding it.

It's not a way of learning the 540! It's a way of correcting the problem which people have where their non-kicking leg travels too much outwards. In learning the move however, it could be beneficial to make sure you are able to do this. Error checking is useful.

.....

[Skilzat85X]

I check errors by looking at how the move itself works, lol. Maybe this is why I learn to do higher level tricks dude.

[Dave]

I've already helped at least one person by alerting them of the problem their non-kicking leg was creating in their 540.

So... I'm gonna put this down to you not 100% understanding what I'm saying [possibly my fault for not making it clear, or a simple misunderstanding] and/or not being able to relate to what I'm saying [differing personal experience] :good:

This is the last things im gonna say haha this is getting dumb.

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Practicing the 540 without focusing on a kick and just landing on your leg encourages bad form and is not really very beneficial when learning a 540. AGREE

My point was, it is useful to do this to correct a specific problem some people have, other things need to be done too [to correct the problem] but doing this is a very useful step in correcting the error.

[Skilzat85X]

I <3 you.

[Gilgamesh]

I have a question regarding the chambering part of the kick. When the kicking leg is bent, the foot is kind of point diagonally. Since I am doing a inside cresent kick, unchambering the kick twists the foot back to a vertical position and giving the kick an overall awkward feel. Any suggestions to fix my problem?

I also find rotation my hips into following through the kick to a 540 to be a big problem. It probably came from the awkward path of my kick, but my kicking leg and the arms just doesn't seem to pull me all the way across. Is there anything I'm missing on?

[Itzdajeef]

I have a question regarding the chambering part of the kick. When the kicking leg is bent, the foot is kind of point diagonally. Since I am doing a inside cresent kick, unchambering the kick twists the foot back to a vertical position and giving the kick an overall awkward feel. Any suggestions to fix my problem?

I also find rotation my hips into following through the kick to a 540 to be a big problem. It probably came from the awkward path of my kick, but my kicking leg and the arms just doesn't seem to pull me all the way across. Is there anything I'm missing on?

Dont do inside crescent kicks. It makes it much harder to rotate your hips for the 540. Instead, throw a roundhouse type kick. When your foot is aligned with your hip, it makes it much easier to rotate your hips over.

[Dave]

I have a question regarding the chambering part of the kick. When the kicking leg is bent, the foot is kind of point diagonally. Since I am doing a inside cresent kick, unchambering the kick twists the foot back to a vertical position and giving the kick an overall awkward feel. Any suggestions to fix my problem?

I also find rotation my hips into following through the kick to a 540 to be a big problem. It probably came from the awkward path of my kick, but my kicking leg and the arms just doesn't seem to pull me all the way across. Is there anything I'm missing on?

Your foot/shin doesnt need to be parallel to the ground when you chamber, unless you are doing a round kick.

[searchsoul]

great! now i can ask qns too
i started tricking quite recently, abt a month ago and started learning the tornado. i've captured myself doing it on video and it looks horrible! you dun wanna see it. my kicking leg was slighlty bent and my back was arched(i took it from the side)

i know the leg is spposed to be stright, but is the back supposed to be too? and how vertical or straight is it supposd to be? and do i look waaaaay up or the 'target'?

thnx :)

EDIT: my back was arched FORWARD like i was reaching for my toes

[Augenatic]

great! now i can ask qns too
i started tricking quite recently, abt a month ago and started learning the tornado. i've captured myself doing it on video and it looks horrible! you dun wanna see it. my kicking leg was slighlty bent and my back was arched(i took it from the side)

i know the leg is spposed to be stright, but is the back supposed to be too? and how vertical or straight is it supposd to be? and do i look waaaaay up or the 'target'?

thnx :)

Of course, keep everything straight. And look at your target. You wanna be vertical on your tornadoes, but when you come to the 540, you might wanna' lean slightly back.

[Dave]

great! now i can ask qns too
i started tricking quite recently, abt a month ago and started learning the tornado. i've captured myself doing it on video and it looks horrible! you dun wanna see it. my kicking leg was slighlty bent and my back was arched(i took it from the side)

i know the leg is spposed to be stright, but is the back supposed to be too? and how vertical or straight is it supposd to be? and do i look waaaaay up or the 'target'?

thnx :)

EDIT: my back was arched FORWARD like i was reaching for my toes

Back should be on straight on a tornado, some people look like they "lean back" on their 540's but I will say none of them are consciously thinking "lean back!" but rather, trying to get their hips higher.

To get a straight kicking leg do Dynamic Flexibility exercises :good: [inward/outward crescents, axe kicks, front/side leg lifts]