NEED AERIAL HELP!!

[quinten1]

I need sum help on my aerials i just cant seem to land them


http://s209.photobucket.com/albums/bb217/ninja_man1/?action=view&current=c71e080c.flv




heres a link can anyone tell me wat im doing wrong?

[Itzdajeef]

you're looking at the ground so your head is going to go there. look forward and use your arms to keep you up. jump off more on your launching leg. practice one handed cartwheels until you can ease the pressure off your hand completely.

[Augenatic]

I need sum help on my aerials i just cant seem to land them


http://s209.photobucket.com/albums/bb217/ninja_man1/?action=view&current=c71e080c.flv




heres a link can anyone tell me wat im doing wrong?

Couldn't you film one completely on camera? Btw, I think you live in the same town as brandonn, hmm.

[Jomar Beran]

for your take off, place your leg in front of you so you can block, and DIP down, FIRST AND EARLY, towards your leg before it touches the ground . Your chest should touch your knee. this will give you height. What your doing is going down when your foot hits the ground.

You wanna DIP EARLY BEFORE YOUR FOOT TOUCHES THE GROUND TO JUMP, not the other way around!

[Frostbite]

you are not jumping at all, and try to keep your torso up.

[k-slash]

DIP down, FIRST AND EARLY, towards your leg before it touches the ground . Your chest should touch your knee. this will give you height. What your doing is going down when your foot hits the ground.

You wanna DIP EARLY BEFORE YOUR FOOT TOUCHES THE GROUND TO JUMP, not the other way around!

This is utter shite. You don`t want your chest hitting your knee, try doing an axe2aerial like this, and you`ll break your nose.

[Pale Nimbus]

Steps to improve quinten1's aerial:
1) :dead: Remove socks :dead:
2) If trying to learn aerials from a run-up, bend right knee enough during the second to last stride so that it is prepared to block and transfer your momentum upwards (this is the "jump" part; aerials from a run up require a "block" that most people call a "jump"; a jump only takes place when using little to no forward momentum, i.e. aerials from a standstill, axe2aerials, etc.).
3) Concentrate on throwing your left leg up as hard and as fast as possible while keeping your back straight. Fight the tendency to round your back. You should strive to keep your head up and look forward until your left leg reaches it's highest point. You should also begin to rise off the ground when your left leg reaches it's peak.
4) Emphasize looking to your left (but not at the ground) when you are airborne. This will help you turn your shoulders to the left. You need to turn your shoulders quickly enough so that your legs don't lock up in the middle and force you to put your hands down (as in your video). Turning them too late leads to the legs just stopping in mid-air and not continuing along a nice path. Once you learn how to turn your shoulders you won't necessarily have to "look" to your left, but it helps in the learning phase.
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I would practice one handed cartwheels (while employing as much proper aerial technique as possible). Try to emphasize minimal hand contact on the ground. I also think practicing roundoffs helps in the sense that they emphasize a faster turnaround then cartwheels and can help with "step 4".

Good luck :tongue:

[Jomar Beran]

you need to dip so you can DIG into the jump!

It works!

[twist]

eh, for me the dip isnt as important as the torso position on takeoff. go watch jujis aerial tut, see how far OUT his chest is going, rather than down into the ground, which is what you, and most beginners do. Fine for cartwheels, not for aerials.

my suggestion is to get the torso forward, this doesnt have to necessarily come from a dip. Try launching an aerial from as close to a full upright body position as you can, this helped me out.

Also, you are almost completely turned around on the takeoff, so you can basically just fall out of the move straight. You dont need this on aerials, since your landing on the leading leg you have plenty of time in midair to rotate your torso and hips to get that leg down.
anyways, good luck!

[Skilzat85X]

YOU DO NOT BLOCK IN AN AERIAL AT ALLLLLLL EVER IN THE HISTORY OF GOD.

[Pale Nimbus]

YOU DO NOT BLOCK IN AN AERIAL AT ALLLLLLL EVER IN THE HISTORY OF GOD.

Yes you do.

[Augenatic]

YOU DO NOT BLOCK IN AN AERIAL AT ALLLLLLL EVER IN THE HISTORY OF GOD.

Why not Skilz?

[Jomar Beran]

eh, for me the dip isnt as important as the torso position on takeoff. go watch jujis aerial tut, see how far OUT his chest is going, rather than down into the ground, which is what you, and most beginners do. Fine for cartwheels, not for aerials.

my suggestion is to get the torso forward, this doesnt have to necessarily come from a dip. Try launching an aerial from as close to a full upright body position as you can, this helped me out.

Also, you are almost completely turned around on the takeoff, so you can basically just fall out of the move straight. You dont need this on aerials, since your landing on the leading leg you have plenty of time in midair to rotate your torso and hips to get that leg down.
anyways, good luck!

I know how the aerial works. It's just that dip down gives you HEIGHT to your jump! Before, I thought you keep your torso upright, but sometimes, i jump down, i don't keep my head level the way its supposed to be, so you gotta dip first!

[Pale Nimbus]

I know how the aerial works. It's just that dip down gives you HEIGHT to your jump! Before, I thought you keep your torso upright, but sometimes, i jump down, i don't keep my head level the way its supposed to be, so you gotta dip first!

If by dip you mean bend your jumping leg and lowering your entire body, then yes. If by dip you mean purposefully dip your torso down in the same way you dip in a butterfly twist, then no.

[kamikaze!]

Jesus Christ, Skilzat when will this madness of avatar changing stop?
The first one (gainer full?) was the best=)

[johnnyg42]

i thought the Shadow avatar was sick

[Jomar Beran]

Then in your tutorial, aaron, when you said you have to place your foot where your chest is, then isn't that blocking?

[Aahem]

YOU DO NOT BLOCK IN AN AERIAL AT ALLLLLLL EVER IN THE HISTORY OF GOD.

Then what are these guys (http://youtube.com/watch?v=NOwN-tIi6II) doing during 00:33 - 00:38?

- Ade

[Skilzat85X]

THEYRE NOT FREAKING BLOCKING THEYRE FEET ARE DIRECTLY UNDER THEIR CENTER OF GRAVITY!!!! IF THEY WERE BLOCKING THEYRE FREAKING FEET WOULD BE WAY IN FRONT OF THEM. ANYONE WHO THINKS YOU NEED TO BLOCK IN AN AERIAL IS A PIECE OF CRAP! YOU AREN'T EVEN SUPPOSED TO GET MORE HEIGHT ON AN AERIAL, WHICH IS THE SOLE PURPOSE OF BLOCKING!

http://www.anaitgames.com/wp-content/darth_vader_nooo.jpeg

Yes you do.
I THINK YOU MEAN, YES YOU ARE A PIECE OF CRAP! NOBODY BLOCKS THEIR AERIALS, AT LEAST PEOPLE WHO CAN DO THEM FREAKING WELL. THAT WOULD DEFEAT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF DOING A CARTWHEEL WITHOUT HANDS. OR LET ME MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE, A DIVE CARTWHEEL WITH NO HANDS.

[BboyAgua]

Skillzat, every gymnast on on the '00 and '04 olympic team would like to disagree with you. Pablo Capote from Venezuela just did an aerial Maraniche (front aerial 1 and 3/4 flip to dive roll) less than 2 hours ago and teaches good blocking technique.

[Skilzat85X]

Well the thing is my experienced compadre, I have yet to see an aerial that utilizes blocking technique.

As you are aware, about every tricker ever utilizes a dip in the aerial, which involves a bending of the front leg. The second that leg bends to be jumped off of, it is literally unblockable; bending your defeats the ENTIRE purpose of blocking. Perhaps our interpretations of blocking are different, and you just mean putting your leg in front of you arbitrarily. But I still have my doubts.

I will search for videos of this man, in the mean time, do you have any videos?

And you have to remember, those Aerial variations are MEANT for height. You simply cannot execute a "cartwheel without hands" and then execute any other flip after it while in the air. To me it sounds like he's probably just doing one of those high stretched side flip type deals, but we'll see.

And while you may end up being right about him, I don't think anybody learning the aerial needs to learn to block it, I don't, Juji's tutorial doesn't, no tricker I've seen has. Blocking an aerial would have no use in combos and would be useless for axe2aerial variations as well as standing aerials. In general, blocking technique for an aerial is not applicable at all in tricking, much less for this kid who "NEEDS AERIAL HELP!!"

[tricker_d]

Its not really a dip. For a dip to be a dip, your upperbody has to move down then up again. In an aerial, your upperbody goes down and doesnt come up untill you land.

[Skilzat85X]

No, it only does if you're a fool who doesn't know how to do an aerial well.

A proper dip generally has nothing to do with the upper body, a dip is only characterized by the bending of the legs to jump off of. If your legs don't bend, and you have no momentum, you don't jump. Simple as that.

You should bring your upper body back up in an aerial, instead of forcing it down or leaving it down. And dude what the heck do you mean it's not a real dip. The dip has nothing to do with lifting yourself back up, hence why it's only the DIP whereas lift is the LIFT.
The only reason it seems like all you leave your upper body down instead of pulling it up is because your feet pass up over your head. But your upper body should get lifted up either way, as in every move ever except for like back handsprings and stuff.

[tricker_d]

So I guess its more of a relation with the legs and "lifting movement" for the aerial. I was actually kinda talking about the bkick dip but thats off-topic.

[Skilzat85X]

All dips follow the same principle: the bending of the knees. To jump off of.

It's the exact same way how when you do a vertical jump, you bend down. That allows you to jump upwards. Thus, this principle of dipping can be applied to most takeoffs, save gainer takeoffs. In a bkick, all you need to do is bend down like you do in a vertical jump, then jump up haha. Same with aerials, back flips, 540 or any move with the "step in" or "cheat step". Vertical jump principles.

Although in Wushu, they seem to emphasize the dipping of the upper body, just because I dunno that's the way they do in Wushu haha. But the most important part is to just lower everything as you would do to reach your maximal vertical jump.

Also, all of the above mentioned principles that I've said becoming completely meaningless when using blocking principles. The moment you bend your legs (during a dip, or just whenever you bend them haha) the block becomes completely irrelevant; you're no longer rebounding your momentum you're generating your own jump, which means instead of pushing momentum in another direction, you're only going to be adding the force of your jump onto your already flowing horizontal momentum.

Or something like that.

[tricker_d]

When I saw all that typing, I just assumed that everything in that post is correct and superior.

[Zenrenn]

Steps to improve quinten1's aerial:
1) :dead: Remove socks :dead:

Lawl, first thing I saw too, I had to watch it twice to critique.

Listen to the above posts, they know what they are talking about.

[Aahem]

Also, all of the above mentioned principles that I've said becoming completely meaningless when using blocking principles. The moment you bend your legs (during a dip, or just whenever you bend them haha) the block becomes completely irrelevant; you're no longer rebounding your momentum you're generating your own jump, which means instead of pushing momentum in another direction, you're only going to be adding the force of your jump onto your already flowing horizontal momentum.

Or something like that.

I disagree with this. Let's see if I can explain myself well enough with my limited skills in English.

No, it's not that simple. Even if you're bending the leg(s) you're bouncing off from (pre-contact), you're not eliminating the block if you do it quick enough, without flexing back any more with your knees (absorbing the power during ground contact). Huh. Example: when you do a round-off to backtuck, you don't land (from the ro) with your legs straight (knees locked), you land with slightly bent knees and then explode up at the moment of contact with the ground. This doesn't eliminate the blocking as long as you're not absorbing the impact (absorbing the power by going down and only then jumping up). It's well possible to block a running aerial, regardless if it has any uses in tricking combinations or not. I'm pretty sure that the Vertical Jump Development Bible (http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/) has some stuff about it as well; at least it deals with reactive training.

Examplish RO to BT (http://youtube.com/watch?v=FgLPj_Q1vxM).

Or?


- Ade

[Siphin]

in my aerial i cannot kick my right leg backward!?!?! why?!?! i have no power unless my hands are down and it sucks

[Zenrenn]

I'm pretty sure that the Vertical Jump Development Bible (http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/) has some stuff about it as well; at least it deals with reactive training.

- Ade

^ Is this any good? I might consider buying it.

[saunders]

^ Is this any good? I might consider buying it.

you could, but i recommend Air-Alert IV (http://www.goatse.cz/) for increasing your vert

[Skilzat85X]

I disagree with this. Let's see if I can explain myself well enough with my limited skills in English.

No, it's not that simple. Even if you're bending the leg(s) you're bouncing off from (pre-contact), you're not eliminating the block if you do it quick enough, without flexing back any more with your knees (absorbing the power during ground contact). Huh. Example: when you do a round-off to backtuck, you don't land (from the ro) with your legs straight (knees locked), you land with slightly bent knees and then explode up at the moment of contact with the ground. This doesn't eliminate the blocking as long as you're not absorbing the impact (absorbing the power by going down and only then jumping up). It's well possible to block a running aerial, regardless if it has any uses in tricking combinations or not. I'm pretty sure that the Vertical Jump Development Bible (http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/) has some stuff about it as well; at least it deals with reactive training.

Examplish RO to BT (http://youtube.com/watch?v=FgLPj_Q1vxM).

Or?


- Ade
Nice nice and nice video. While this is true, this sort of block is still noooot utilized in aerial technique. :sad:

As you can see in the video, the feet coming out of the roundoff are a couple feet behind the dude, whereas in an aerial you don't jump at all until your feet are under you.

And the leg doesn't just bend a little then snap out, the dip is very emphasized in an aerial, and the leg bends for an extended period of time. Example:
http://www.trickstutorials.com/images/t_aero4.jpghttp://www.trickstutorials.com/images/t_aero5.jpghttp://www.trickstutorials.com/images/t_aero6.jpg
As you can see, the dip is very long and prominent within an aerial.

Ok, after thinking it over and talking about it with some peeps, I've still come to the conclusion that you simply can nooot block and an aerial and have it still be an aerial. It will just turn into a stretched side flip. Aerial = cartwheel without hands; free cartwheel. Textbook definition.

[Aahem]

^ Is this any good? I might consider buying it.

It is very good. Much better than any sucky Air Alert programs. VJB FTW! Seriously, it's the BEST. Air Alert = Joke.

EDIT: I guess I could elaborate on why Air Alert sucks, but... mh. Can't really bother right now. Just read the free articles on higher-faster-sports.com(henceforth known as HFS) and make your own decision, don't be a sheep :good:

Oh yeah, and the dude who said AA is the absolute best choice... do you know any other programs? Did you check out HFS? Go and read the free articles, be rid of air alert forever.

EDIT 2: WTF, goatse? Eh. That's not cool, nor funny. Just stupid and immature.


- Ade

[Aahem]

Nice nice and nice video. While this is true, this sort of block is still noooot utilized in aerial technique. :sad:

As you can see in the video, the feet coming out of the roundoff are a couple feet behind the dude, whereas in an aerial you don't jump at all until your feet are under you.

It may be that it's not usual, but it's physically possible. Look below.


And the leg doesn't just bend a little then snap out, the dip is very emphasized in an aerial, and the leg bends for an extended period of time.
I find it very hard to do get a nice, high and floaty aerial with an emphasized dip and a really big bend. I just try to tap the ground while keeping my jumping foot nearly straight, almost like when I'm coming out of a round-off, like... look below.



Example:
http://www.trickstutorials.com/images/t_aero4.jpghttp://www.trickstutorials.com/images/t_aero5.jpghttp://www.trickstutorials.com/images/t_aero6.jpg
As you can see, the dip is very long and prominent within an aerial.

I don't particularly like Juji's aerials :/

Now, this is the important part:

The dip is very long and prominent within THAT PARTICULAR type of aerial, I would say. A lot of people (well, some at least) do their aerials with a quick tap (without bending the knee all that much), nearly dipless, getting mad height. This is what I personally prefer. Best examples are those Beijing Wushu Team guys, crazy skills. And yeah, check this out, it's one of my capoeira professors doing what I would call a semi-blocked non-dipped aerial, similiar to those wushu dudes, very clearly still a no-handed cartwheel:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8DJ7LJVsIKY

I would call it semi-blocked as he is not really placing his jumping foot forward enough. Oh, and you do NOT need to place your jumping foot a mile ahead your center of gravity, even if it's just a tad ahead will cause a little block.

Notice how the wushu guys bounce up and loose a LOT of their horizontal momentum (some of them more than others), getting mad height and a nice landing, yet not traveling forward all that much? That, to me, is a a sure symptom of blocking.

Then there are the aerials Ramin Sohrab does, jumping over 6-8 people laying on the ground. Those are non-blocked, as his horizontal momentum doesn't decrease and he gets really no height at all.



Ok, after thinking it over and talking about it with some peeps, I've still come to the conclusion that you simply can nooot block and an aerial and have it still be an aerial. It will just turn into a stretched side flip. Aerial = cartwheel without hands; free cartwheel. Textbook definition.
I think tricking has a lot to do with personal preference and style, not so much with strict rules of "do it like this or its not correct", hence I'm going to say that I respectfully disagree :good:


EDIT: As to why I don't like Juji's walking/running aerials, well... I just find them hard and inefficient. I land low with them, as I think Juji does too. But that's me. I like to tap the ground, have no dip and fly like an eagle. Doesn't even require as much power. But that's just my preference.

Also, I think Juji's A2As and standing/combo'ed aerials kick ass, I just don't like his walking ones.



- Ade

[Skilzat85X]

Juji can do like every aerial variation in existence haha. And so does Jan. And Juji uses the same technique in all his aerial variations.

The aerial you posted I find particularly weak because it has a huge run up and the person travels verrry far. Haha, plus if they had blocked they wouldn't travel that far sideways.

There is no such thing as semi-blocked, the block is an all or nothing deal. Heck, just because you stick your foot out in front doesn't mean any of the blocking mechanics are working for you.

Oh well. The most effective way to aerial for tricking is the way Juji teaches, as that method can be comboed and expanded into further aerial variations. Plus it's both simple yet effective. Ho ho ho.

[saunders]

EDIT 2: WTF, goatse? Eh. That's not cool, nor funny. Just stupid and immature.

ah sorry man, i forgot not everyone shared the same taste. here, have a burger :burger: (http://www.lemonparty.org/)

[Aahem]

I hope you bother to read this Skilz :smile:

Juji can do like every aerial variation in existence haha. And so does Jan. And Juji uses the same technique in all his aerial variations.
You misunderstood. I never said his aerials are bad, I like his aerial stuff. I even edited my post to elaborate...

Running / walking aerials are a whole different game than standing and axe2aerials. Can't say about reverse aerials as I really can't do them yet. I (me, my personal thought) think the technique changes a lot when you run into it. It feels very different to me.

The aerial you posted I find particularly weak because it has a huge run up and the person travels verrry far. Haha, plus if they had blocked they wouldn't travel that far sideways.
Yeah, it isn't the best possible one. The wushu ones are better :ogre:


There is no such thing as semi-blocked, the block is an all or nothing deal.
This is just not true. C'mon dude... You can semi-block a round-off (as in block it wrong/bad), get a bit more height (not very much) and move backwards a lot, or you can block well and get mad height. Or do something in-between. It's not an "all or nothing" deal, there are middle-grounds, there always are. I can't block a round-off as well as I could, but I still get some extra height.


Heck, just because you stick your foot out in front doesn't mean any of the blocking mechanics are working for you.
This is true.


Oh well. The most effective way to aerial for tricking is the way Juji teaches, as that method can be comboed and expanded into further aerial variations. Plus it's both simple yet effective. Ho ho ho.
Yeah, I never said it was ineffective for more advanced variations or such, I said I like his a2as and standstills... But aerials where you have momentum (a run, a walk) are and feel different from aerials that you perform from a standstill or from an axe kick, and I think Juji's aren't the best possible ones; I found it much easier to transition to a-switches and brandies without the huge dip. Again, cannot say about reverse aerials. Yes, his 'aerials', all in all, are very good and work well for variations, but a "running" aerial is a "variation" of an aerial in itself, and I don't like Juji's.

I also find the most "efficient" types of "running aerials" are those that teach in wushu, well superior over Juji's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfTL3LRoJss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj_BRxKqWF4


Just my thoughts.


- Ade

[Skilzat85X]

My standing, combo, walking, jogging, running, bouncing, prancing, skipping, and bouncing aerial techniques are all the same haha. Juji's are too, if you study them.

[Aahem]

My standing, combo, walking, jogging, running, bouncing, prancing, skipping, and bouncing aerial techniques are all the same haha. Juji's are too, if you study them.

You said bouncing twice :tongue:

But seriously... Are you saying all your aerials feel the same? Cuz mine sure as hell don't. A2As feel completely different to running and standing aerials to me. Crescent/wheel combo'ed aerials feel like power-pumped standing aerials imho.

Oh and I updated my post with some wushu-stuff. Mh.

EDIT: Also I would really like to know whether you still think blocking is an "all or nothing" deal.


- Ade

[Zenrenn]

ah sorry man, i forgot not everyone shared the same taste. here, have a burger :burger: (http://www.lemonparty.org/)

So this is the second time I'^e fallen for both of these pictures. :dead:

[Zenrenn]

So besides being totally off subject to the OP, I bought the VJB via online. I'm not going to get the book am I? Just the Ebook? Because I would like the actual book. :eh: