Another "strange" workout.

[Thunderheart]

This was shown to me about 6 years ago from a cousin who was/is a wrestling coach.

Not sure of the name of this workout, but basically.....

Do one pushup.
Move up to your knees and be upright.
Push your hands upwards (like your are lifting a slab of concrete over your head)
Do two pushups.
Knees again and hands upwards twice.

Repeat this pattern.. increasing pushups by one each time, and the upward raise by the same. You might be surprised how many you do. It's a hell of a work out for the shoulders, in my opinion.

[Honken]

I don't really understood what you typed, do you mean divebomber pushups?

[NightHunter]

I think he means doing a pushup, then kneeling and performing an overhead press without any resistance, and then doing 2 pushups, kneeling and doing 2 resistance-free overhead presses....

[Bboy_Jon]

sounds kinda gay

[Thunderheart]

I think he means doing a pushup, then kneeling and performing an overhead press without any resistance, and then doing 2 pushups, kneeling and doing 2 resistance-free overhead presses....

That.

[NightHunter]

sounds kinda gay

That.

[Thunderheart]

Why does this message board host so many smart asses? Kind of a bummer really.

[NightHunter]

Because we answer similar questions all the time. And that's not even counting new people.

Also, this isn't a workout, it is a single exercise with a really simple loading pattern.

It happens to be fairly useless as well. It's pushups which are easy for most people of any decent level of fitness. The only thing that separates it from pushups is taking a break and raising your arms over your head with no resistance.

This has very little applicability to anything people want to achieve here, unless their goal is to know as many obscure exercises of questionable value as possible.

[chicanerous]

It's some kind of silly wrestling drill. Remember that just because something is seemingly difficult does not mean it is a good workout.

[NightHunter]

It's some kind of silly wrestling drill. Remember that just because something is seemingly difficult does not mean it is a good workout.

How does this relate to rape?

On a side note, is it really rape if you yell surprise first?

[Ouriço]

This exercise is very good for endurance, and would therefore be a great wrestling workout.

Although it's not an exercise focused of strength training, it is still useful depending on your overall goal. You guys should really stop to think before bashing ideas to sound intelligent.

[Skilzat85X]

Sounds pretty dumb to me.

[chicanerous]

This exercise is very good for endurance, and would therefore be a great wrestling workout.

Although it's not an exercise focused of strength training, it is still useful depending on your overall goal. You guys should really stop to think before bashing ideas to sound intelligent.
That's faulty reasoning.

[Ouriço]

Maybe you've never done wrestling, but endurance is key. I don't see how it is in the least faulty reasoning. Maybe you want to do bench presses and military presses to make you strong, and maybe someone else doesn't want strength; just endurance.

Same thing applies with that old lady you always see walking around your neighborhood. You look at her and think, "You stupid cunt. Walking around isn't going to help you at all." But in reality, she just wants to keep active and stay off the couch.

That may be a bit to complex a comparison to take in, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

[Skilzat85X]

Same thing applies with that old lady you always see walking around your neighborhood. You look at her and think, "You stupid cunt. Walking around isn't going to help you at all." But in reality, she just wants to keep active and stay off the couch.

No she doesn't, she's been brainwashed by Prevention and women's fitness magazines into thinking walking around for 2 hours and eating some of the "10 Secret Foods Proven to Burn Off Fat for Good" along with doing some "Bun Buster" and "Thigh Toner" workouts is going to make her look like she's 20 years younger.

[Thunderheart]

When some of you get closer to 30 and have been involved in physical fitness for more than 10 years and seen PERSONAL results in obscure as well as conventional workouts.. comment and bash away.. but until then I can assure you that your best bet is to keep an open mind and don't become just another internet hard ass know it all.

[Thunderheart]

No she doesn't, she's been brainwashed by Prevention and women's fitness magazines into thinking walking around for 2 hours and eating some of the "10 Secret Foods Proven to Burn Off Fat for Good" along with doing some "Bun Buster" and "Thigh Toner" workouts is going to make her look like she's 20 years younger.


My 78 year old Grandmother walks around her house for 20 minutes with 2lb dumbells in her arms swingin and swayin them in the air. She knows it looks funny, but I can tell and so can she that she is in better shape.

Brainwashed? Yeah it happens alot, but if that's the case for someone like my grandmother or the lady walking in the street, then why should you give a shit? Better than people sitting on the their ass and wasting away. Lighten up.

[Steve]

When some of you get closer to 30 and have been involved in physical fitness for more than 10 years and seen PERSONAL results in obscure as well as conventional workouts.. comment and bash away.. but until then I can assure you that your best bet is to keep an open mind and don't become just another internet hard ass know it all.

I've already done this and I can assure you that this exercise is basically useless

[Thunderheart]

This place is sad, really...

[Steve]

Perhaps you should realize that you're on a forum full of high schoolers about a style of gymnastics analagous to skateboarding tricks, Thunderheart.

[Thunderheart]

If you can't see that this type of "advanced" push up work out is advantageous to endurance in the shoulders and upper body in general.... well, you've got some cleaning up to do in your head.

[chicanerous]

This exercise is very good for endurance, and would therefore be a great wrestling workout.

Although it's not an exercise focused of strength training, it is still useful depending on your overall goal. You guys should really stop to think before bashing ideas to sound intelligent.

Maybe you've never done wrestling, but endurance is key. I don't see how it is in the least faulty reasoning. Maybe you want to do bench presses and military presses to make you strong, and maybe someone else doesn't want strength; just endurance.

Same thing applies with that old lady you always see walking around your neighborhood. You look at her and think, "You stupid cunt. Walking around isn't going to help you at all." But in reality, she just wants to keep active and stay off the couch.

That may be a bit to complex a comparison to take in, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
Just because it works "endurance" doesn't automatically make it "very good" for wrestling. That's why it's faulty reasoning. If you can offer a reason other than "endurance is key," why it is superior to other endurance-training exercises in wrestling then I am all ears.

(Also, please remove the stick from your ass. The only reason strength-training is touted so often here is that it is highly applicable to tricking and this is a tricking forum. While I can't vouch for all members, the ones that actually have a decent knowledge of athletic conditioning would not automatically command strengthening as the solution to all problems. While it is true that, in general, almost every athlete stands to gain from increasing their overall relative strength, there are obviously other attributes needed in athletes and the training of these attributes must be tailored and chosen to the activity at hand in order to have maximum effect. Merely touting "endurance is key" does not satisfy this condition or legitimize the use of a specific exercise.)

Likewise, Thunderheart, you can't assess the utility of a single movement without having an application in mind. While this exercise may be good for endurance in the shoulders, as you say, what's to say that it's better than any other exercise or the optimal exercise to use in a specific situation? This is a tricking forum, if tricking is the goal, it's a horrible exercise -- trickers need little to no endurance in the shoulders. If wrestling is the goal, it's a mediocre exercise. There are better options more suited to both tasks.

Utility must have purpose. :ogre:

And, I'll end with a quote: "You guys should really stop to think before bashing ideas to sound intelligent."

[Steve]

If you can't see that this type of "advanced" push up work out is advantageous to endurance in the shoulders and upper body in general.... well, you've got some cleaning up to do in your head.

Yes, but so is, say, playing a drum kit, or typing on a keyboard

[Skilzat85X]

My 78 year old Grandmother walks around her house for 20 minutes with 2lb dumbells in her arms swingin and swayin them in the air. She knows it looks funny, but I can tell and so can she that she is in better shape.

Brainwashed? Yeah it happens alot, but if that's the case for someone like my grandmother or the lady walking in the street, then why should you give a shit? Better than people sitting on the their ass and wasting away. Lighten up.
I'd rather people sit around than act like they know crap about exercise when they don't, especially when they try to tell people who do know crap that they know better lolz.

Weight training is good for your endurance too.

[Thunderheart]

All you boys are trying to do is break things down to such an irrelevant point that it's obvious we're now playing the I'm right you're wrong game. I expected this much.

Seriously, if you cannot see that this workout has POSITIVE benifits, you SERIOUSLY need to clean some space up in your head. This is a tricking forum, but this is also a training and conditioning forum...

[Steve]

[Exercise] has positive benefits

What a novel idea.

[lastmanstanding]

"etc... is good for shoulder endurance..."

Yes, but so is, say, playing a drum kit, or typing on a keyboard

How exactly do you type? And do you get through a lot of keyboards?!

[Skilzat85X]

All you boys are trying to do is break things down to such an irrelevant point that it's obvious we're now playing the I'm right you're wrong game. I expected this much.

Seriously, if you cannot see that this workout has POSITIVE benifits, you SERIOUSLY need to clean some space up in your head. This is a tricking forum, but this is also a training and conditioning forum...

Ummm, I'd rather do something that has MORE positive benefits in a certain regard than something else that has less positive benefits in that same regard.

[Steve]

"etc... is good for shoulder endurance..."



How exactly do you type? And do you get through a lot of keyboards?!

Let me put it this way

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Suchiiben/typespeed2.jpg

[NightHunter]

We've never said it has no positive benefits(as opposed to all those negative ones). The closest we've come is saying that it's pretty much useless compared to any number of other exercises for nearly any goal.

You're spouting off that it's better than nothing. Generally people who make their way to this board, and the advice given on this board, is beyond the level of something is better than nothing.

You're arguing two points now instead of one after bringing your grandmother into it.
On this board, it's common knowledge that something is better than nothing, we're more concerned with optimizing training than making sure people do something.

As to the original argument about the usefulness of this exercise, you are again wrong because you cannot say something is useful without giving it a context. I'm sure there is some goal for which this exercise is the best or one of the best options. I have not yet seen that goal mentioned on these boards. If someone ever comes up with it, we'll send them to you.

[Bboy_Jon]

Hehe, thunderheart welcome to tt...

The workout would help out with endurance, but it is kind of stupid, there are plenty of other workouts that are a lot better than that.

[Skilzat85X]

Hehe, thunderheart welcome to tt...

The workout would help out with endurance, but it is kind of stupid, there are plenty of other workouts that are a lot better than that.

Yes, exactly the point we've all been trying to make, haha. :bandit:

[Thunderheart]

No, most of you have been the bashing type. I never said it was the end all of upper body workouts... it's silly, but works.

[Honken]

Ouriço, have you ever seen any high-level wrestlers train? They don't do bodyweight excercises, they do heavy lifting and partner-drills (such as squatting and deadlifting eachother).

[Thunderheart]

We've never said it has no positive benefits(as opposed to all those negative ones). The closest we've come is saying that it's pretty much useless compared to any number of other exercises for nearly any goal.

You're spouting off that it's better than nothing. Generally people who make their way to this board, and the advice given on this board, is beyond the level of something is better than nothing.

You're arguing two points now instead of one after bringing your grandmother into it.
On this board, it's common knowledge that something is better than nothing, we're more concerned with optimizing training than making sure people do something.

As to the original argument about the usefulness of this exercise, you are again wrong because you cannot say something is useful without giving it a context. I'm sure there is some goal for which this exercise is the best or one of the best options. I have not yet seen that goal mentioned on these boards. If someone ever comes up with it, we'll send them to you.

Read the post again. I didn't say this work out was better than nothing. I was talking about my grandmother in reference to what another poster said in relation to brainwashing.

[NightHunter]

Read the post again. I didn't say this work out was better than nothing. I was talking about my grandmother in reference to what another poster said in relation to brainwashing.

Read my post again, you've confused yourself by offering two arguments in one thread. I responded to each individually.

[Thunderheart]

Ouriço, have you ever seen any high-level wrestlers train? They don't do bodyweight excercises, they do heavy lifting and partner-drills (such as squatting and deadlifting eachother).

Deadlifting each other... that's another abnormal thing to do, but if say.. you posted that on this message board and weren't a regular.. you'd have people telling you the same things we get in this one.

I'm a firm fucking believer in that you do anything and everything that can help... Variety is important in my opinion.

[Skilzat85X]

This is tricks tutorials.com!

[Steve]

You should visit my exotic workout thread Thunderheart. You'll find that diet is worked into the scheme as well.

http://trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30544

[Thunderheart]

Read my post again, you've confused yourself by offering two arguments in one thread. I responded to each individually.

No.. I'm not.

I responded to another post on what someone else was saying in relation to the lady walking down the street. It had nothing to do with the work out I mentioned... so what are you getting at?

[NightHunter]

Deadlifting each other... that's another abnormal thing to do, but if say.. you posted that on this message board and weren't a regular.. you'd have people telling you the same things we get in this one.

I'm a firm fucking believer in that you do anything and everything that can help... Variety is important in my opinion.

It's only abnormal in the form of the resistance.

No one on this board has ever said that variety is bad....

[NightHunter]

No.. I'm not.

I responded to another post on what someone else was saying in relation to the lady walking down the street. It had nothing to do with the work out I mentioned... so what are you getting at?

I missed the first reference to an old lady walking down the street. My bad.

[Thunderheart]

Thank you.

[NightHunter]

I still think your exercise is fairly useless.

[Skilzat85X]

Not for old ladies.

[Thunderheart]

Fine.. I'll explain it..

If you do 55 pushups straight, you will have X amount of fatigue.
If you do 10 of these, that equals doing 55 push ups with the added zero resistance raises. I garauntee you that you will have more fatigue. I enjoy doing work outs like this on occasion. I'm arguing it's validity as a decent workout yes, but saying it's useless is pretty damn naive.

In reality it's just a silly little workout that some of us used to do in "fun" contests... The added zero resistance raises do make the amount of push ups considerably harder with the more you do, obviously. So even it is slightly harder to do .. say 70 pushups this way than the normal way, then I see no reason to call it useless... unless your a know it all twit.

[NightHunter]

Not for old ladies.

But the old ladies are brainwashed and not doing this exercise, they're walking around with 2lb dumbells. Hasn't anyone told them that adding resistance to cardio will fuck up their knees?

[NightHunter]

Fine.. I'll explain it..

If you do 55 pushups straight, you will have X amount of fatigue.
If you do 10 of these, that equals doing 55 push ups with the added zero resistance raises. I garauntee you that you will have more fatigue. I enjoy doing work outs like this on occasion. I'm arguing it's validity as a decent workout yes, but saying it's useless is pretty damn naive.

It's bad to ignore adjectives. It's fairly useless. Pretty much. For the most part. Relatively....

Oh relatively is a good synonym here.

For the most common goals on this board(improved tricking or other athletic ability) it is useless relative to any number of other exercises(those focusing on power development and anaerobic endurance).

For one of the most common goals in the nation(losing weight and looking good naked) it is useless relative to an even greater number of other exercises(any sort of mix of cardio and resistance, or some sort of interval or circuit training).

[Phil D]

You would be better off doing a pressup, then a squat thrust, then a tuck jump. Then you can do 2 press ups, 2 squat thrusts etc.. then 3 etc all the way up to 15, it gets pretty knakering when doing them flat out.

[Ouriço]

Holy shit, this has blown up since three hours ago. What's making me really mad is the fact that everyone in this topic is on the same page, but for some reason everyone is arguing.

From what I've seen, most of you seem to think that what I'm trying to say is that this exercise is the best exercise around for wrestlers to work on endurance. Fuck no. I am only stating facts. I myself have never done this exercise, and never plan to, because that's not how I strengthen my upper body.

And Honken, I really couldn't care less what professional wrestlers do to train, because I don't know anything about pro wrestling. All I ever stated, simply, was that this exercise is not useless. (Although not the best choice.) It is in no way useless, just as walking around for twenty minutes with weights is not useless. There should be no reason for you all to misread my posts anymore.

[compleks]

It's a MAAAAAAAAAAD HOUSE!

I planned to write something seemingly intelligent, but now I just can't be bothered.

[chicanerous]

All I ever stated, simply, was that this exercise is not useless.
Yes.

(Although not the best choice.)
No.

It is in no way useless, just as walking around for twenty minutes with weights is not useless.
Obviously.

There should be no reason for you all to misread my posts anymore.
You've miswrote this. You mean to say "misunderstand." We haven't misread your posts, but we've misunderstood them because you have either miswritten or misremembered.

If it is that you have miswritten then we will stop misunderstanding when you stop miswriting and, instead, write what you mean to say. However, it is more likely that you have misremembered because what you have written certainly does not match what you have said that you had meant to say. So, either you've miswritten or you've misremembered, but we certainly haven't misunderstood. :good:

[compleks]

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[compleks]

Ouriço, please asses the severity of your burn

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[Steve]

that last picture overwhelms me with depression

[Ouriço]

chicanerous is just covering his own ass with big words. I don't feel like he made any real point whatsoever, let alone "burn" me.

[NightHunter]

chicanerous is just covering his own ass with big words. I don't feel like he made any real point whatsoever, let alone "burn" me.

Plus comme "I didn't understand what he said."

Here you go, bud.

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[Ouriço]

Moron. You've been making dumb comments this whole thread.

Plus comme "Don't ever address me again or I'll send you home with a throbbing asshole, you New York Jewbag."

[Steve]

http://goaste.cx/goaste/pictures/nemi/post-141-1184770382.jpg

[Ouriço]

The right side of that picture isn't coming into focus. =/

[Pale Nimbus]

lol at chicanerous picking on people

[anfeyd]

chicanerous is just covering his own ass with big words. I don't feel like he made any real point whatsoever, let alone "burn" me.

There were really no big words in his reply at all. He used logic, which is why you cannot follow it.

[Ouriço]

The chicanerous fanclub has arrived. How does his cock taste?

[chicanerous]

The chicanerous fanclub has arrived. How does his cock taste?
:pancakes: :banana: :fiji:

[NightHunter]

Everyone's so big on the internet.

Just because I played a Jew twice in the last year does not make me one for real, mmkay?

[NightHunter]

The chicanerous fanclub has arrived. How does his cock taste?

:pancakes: :banana: :fiji:

Didn't you know chic has mastered autofellatio.

[Ashtar]

I don't understand the unweighted overhead press.

You can do pushups on hex dumbbells so if you had those I guess I could see the point.

Although I don't get why it's related to wrestling, in real wrestling I don't think they lift people over their head in the same way as pro wrestling.

[compleks]

It's not related to wrestling, at all.

In fact, I think the whole argument in this thread is that it's not really related to anything.

The chicanerous fanclub has arrived. How does his cock taste?
Give us a C!
Give us an H!
Give us an I!
Give us a C!
etc...

[Skilzat85X]

I am in a bad mood since all these TTer tools have decided to blaspheme my moonface idea.

Ouriço gets banned for being so prickish here. Let it not happen again!

[Chris_K]

This was shown to me about 6 years ago from a cousin who was/is a wrestling coach.

Not sure of the name of this workout, but basically.....

Do one pushup.
Move up to your knees and be upright.
Push your hands upwards (like your are lifting a slab of concrete over your head)
Do two pushups.
Knees again and hands upwards twice.

Repeat this pattern.. increasing pushups by one each time, and the upward raise by the same. You might be surprised how many you do. It's a hell of a work out for the shoulders, in my opinion.

I do this sometimes, except I do a pyramid of pushups starting at 10 reps and decreasing 1 after every set. Only thing is, I do 10 overhead presses every set, your shoulders feel like lead afterwards.

[compleks]

I am in a bad mood since all these TTer tools have decided to blaspheme my moonface idea.

Ouriço gets banned for being so prickish here. Let it not happen again!

Haha. I can't believe I hadn't even heard or Skilzat before he became mod. Keep up the good work.

[NightHunter]

I still don't know who skilzat is, but he seems cool.

And no, I'm not sucking up.

[Skilzat85X]

The Training and Conditioning (and Health and Nutrition) forums are like their own little worlds/cultures haha. Awesome.

[chicanerous]

Skilzat is the black kid who tricks in shoes along a wall next to a sidewalk. That's how I knew him in my head before he rose to fame and mod-dom. :good:

[compleks]

The Training and Conditioning (and Health and Nutrition) forums are like their own little worlds/cultures haha. Awesome.

So true. I never visit any other forums (except for the publicus, and in times of extreme boredom the 'tricking' forums).


Just for the record, I was sucking up.

[psyco_soldier]

Fuck... alright, as a wrestler, let me explain something to you guys. In wrestling, especially for throws, you have to be able to lift your opponent. This is why weights are used... most seasoned wrestlers can lift their own bodyweight in dozens of ways. Now, a ton of the stuff wrestlers do is somewhat useless (specifically deadlifts and the topic of this thread) in concern to conditioning. However, wrestlers need to be able to know how to lift someone, and need to get the hang of it. It does not matter if you are really going to throw your opponent overhead (that is illegal), it is still beneficial to be able to do so simply because it makes it that much easier to counter an attempted cradle or get up when you are starting in the down position.

This excercise is total crap...

[Pale Nimbus]

thanks for setting us all straight psyco_soldier

[Siphin]

try doing 5 dips then 5 push-ups then 10 dips then 10 push-ups then 15 dips then 15 push-ups with out any breaks in between besides getting down from the dipping set-up, not that easy..

[Steve]

Fuck... alright, as a wrestler, let me explain something to you guys. In wrestling, especially for throws, you have to be able to lift your opponent. This is why weights are used... most seasoned wrestlers can lift their own bodyweight in dozens of ways. Now, a ton of the stuff wrestlers do is somewhat useless (specifically deadlifts and the topic of this thread) in concern to conditioning. However, wrestlers need to be able to know how to lift someone, and need to get the hang of it. It does not matter if you are really going to throw your opponent overhead (that is illegal), it is still beneficial to be able to do so simply because it makes it that much easier to counter an attempted cradle or get up when you are starting in the down position.

This excercise is total crap...

But clearly you are wrong psyco, if you can't see that this exercise has obvious benefits then you have some cleaning up to do!! Why would a wrestler ever need to move someone? Pshaw! All they need is endurance of course!

[NightHunter]

But clearly you are wrong psyco, if you can't see that this exercise has obvious benefits then you have some cleaning up to do!! Why would a wrestler ever need to move someone? Pshaw! All they need is endurance of course!

Steve, you must stop being ambiguous. No one knows if you're talking about POSITIVE benefits, or negative ones. You can't just say benefits, because people will be confused.

[Honken]

I didn't mean professional wrestling as the fake shows for 5 year olds, I meant regular wrestling at a professional level. Sure deadlifting eachother sounds weird, but that's what they do. Shouldering could be another word for it, I don't know the proper translation.

[psyco_soldier]

This exercise is crap because there are a ton more that are way better for this stuff. If you want to work endurance you can simply do up downs or burpees. This exercise might work a little bit, but it still sucks.

[Kitosho]

I used this exercise and now i am a great wrestler