trickers over 6 foot?

[sasukez]

anyone know of any GOOD trickers over 6 foot i already know about kim do

[Futurebb]

Kim do...

[frankinstine]

i'm 6'3 and i'm the best trixter ever. just ask sklizat. you all eat my shit.

[Swartz]

I'm 6'1'' but I wouldn't call myself a great trickster in the typical definition: "can do all kinds of crazy shit!" I have a small amount to go with but for the most part I have emphasis on cleanliness.

I certainly don't have a problem with any particular TYPE of move, like you know "tall guys can't flip!" or some bullcrap. You obviously consider height to be a determining factor in skill level and that just isn't true. It's about being proportional, that's all.

[frankinstine]

wow, swartz said something without being a huge dickhead. and he was right.

on a side note, i have had people say that some tricks look cooler when your tall.

[the hebrew hamme]

I am 6'1" aswell and I don't use that as an excuse. I can class A and most of B like nobody's business and I trick alone and have only been tricking for a year. I also only weigh 145 pounds so i am a skinny little boy like tf-simon. I honestly think that if i could do the splits any way and touch my toes I would be a much better tricker though.

[Swartz]

wow, swartz said something without being a huge dickhead. and he was right.

on a side note, i have had people say that some tricks look cooler when your tall.

Of course I'm not a dickhead! And yeah some moves DO look better depending on your body type but as far as ease of the move, not really as big a factor as people make it out to be. Being taller means you have longer limbs which makes extension on kicks that much more apparent, so I definetly agree with you there.

[frankinstine]

i think someone comment on my height making the trick look cool when i was doing front layouts. i wonder what the difference in difficulty really is. and i also dont think hight plays a huge role. i wonder why there are so few really tall gymnasts, tricksters, etc.

[Scott]

I'm the same height as Swartz, and rape the rest of you.

Just kidding.

Proportionality is key, like he said. If you're a lanky 6'6 120 lb man, you fail at life. If you're 190 and 6'ish, you fail a little less.

[simon]

peg is 6'1
and he is gaining tricks so fast.

[frankinstine]

awsome. i'm 6 footish AND 190ish. sweet, i fail a little less.

[Jujimufu]

Ryu Sujin. Clean as hell, high ass gainers, excellent aerial work, and buff! :good:

[Swartz]

Yes like Scott said, he's as tall as me and as much as he'll be modest about it he kicks all kinds of ass.

[brandonn]

aren't danny g and manny brown both pretty tall?

[shengoikee]

aren't danny g and manny brown both pretty tall?

danny is fairly tall but i heard manny isnt so tall.

im 6ft1 and currently suck pretty bad hahaha

[Swartz]

Let's start the 6'1'' Clan.

[J-Slide]

anis... lol

[frankinstine]

anis... lol

ahaha, he's actually a pretty average hight. he's just skinny.

[johnnyg42]

im 6'1 and i do just fine. And like someone once said in a thread like this a long time ago

"Taller tricksters = legs flying everywhere. which can look fucking sick" i completely agree.

[frankinstine]

=legs flying everywhere. hahaha.

[Kyle McLean]

danny g really isnt that tall

im pretty sure anis is over 6 foot

[peterh]

psh, i'm 6'2 and still gettin bigger, i think that some moves look better because of it. i'm pretty lanky but been workin on that. really, it may sometimes make things more difficult, but i know that my flashes and aerials are huge because of it. overall i love my height.

[Kid Knuckles]

i'm 6'2

[Futurebb]

i'm 6'2

Well im 5'7 :tongue:

[frankinstine]

danny g really isnt that tall

im pretty sure anis is over 6 foot

nah, i's say he's like 5'9 or 5'10. i met him in july and i was quite a bit taller than he. short little frenchy..

[velcroninja07]

Yep. 6'2. 185lbs. When I first started I though "man, I'm tall so it's gonna be harder, but it's about the same. And you're taller than all the hot cheerleader girls that come up to you after you do an X-out over a trash can....on fire...

[Dave]

I'm about 6'4. I guess I struggled with kicks a bit more than the other types of tricks but that's purely because I started from scratch with terrible dynamic flexibility and stuff. So i spend a fair bit of time just drilling the basic kicks and crap.

There could be advantages/disadvantages to being short/tall, to me it makes intuitive sense.. but I have never read anything which fully examines it [besides things like taller people have an advantage in basketball, shorter people in things like horse riding because of their weight, etc]. I might have a look actually, it'd be interesting to know :)

edit: and i weigh about 175lbs lol

[glide2]

Eh his question was are there any GOOD trickers over 6'. Personally I don't see any, except maybe Kim Do, but is he really that good? The fact is, it REALLY is harder to trick, or to do any acrobatics for that matter, when you're very tall.

[TreXzar]

im 180cm i dunno the conversion but i think its a lil shy of 6 foot. :(
i dont like being tall, makes some tricks hard work

[cepopeye]

i'm like fucking, 5 or 6 feet tall and and i dunno what that shit is in CENTIMETERS but like... fucking americans come bigger and shit

[Jon P]

aren't danny g and manny brown both pretty tall?

nah, manny is kinda short. Danny isnt that tall either, I would guess 5'10"

anis... lol

Anis is about my height 5'11" or so. Not that tall.


Bubba is a tall trickster (6'2" or so) and is better than most people on the forum. Crazy guy.

[Dave]

Eh his question was are there any GOOD trickers over 6'. Personally I don't see any, except maybe Kim Do, but is he really that good? The fact is, it REALLY is harder to trick, or to do any acrobatics for that matter, when you're very tall.

Maybe taller people just don't get into tricking as their directed more towards specialised sports in which it is an advantage to be tall like AFL, Basketball, etc. You said that what you state is fact, but it'd be great if you could link to an article or two which confirms and explains why this is so :juji: It seems to me the reasons could be more social than physical.

However, I do have a little theory that in the cognitive stage of learning that it is harder for taller people but if they train as much and get as proportioned as others [a nice ratio between muscle size/strength and bone size] that there is no disadvantage. I'm thinking it would plateau after a while. Buuuut I have zero evidence for this lol, it's all speculation.

I'm gonna google some shiz instead of starting my maths assignment :tongue:

[Spyder_V]

I'm 6'5" or so.

Since I'm very skinny proportionally, kicking is teh suck.

[Dave]

I dunno dude, if you have long legs you have potential for mega extension! My dynamic flex is only like average and I can still kick above head height. If I got it to a good/high level my extension would be crazy and crazy extension can make the most simple of tricks [say a cheat 720] look as good as some of the "higher class" tricks!

Work your kicks dude, being tall will become an advantage

[glide2]

Maybe taller people just don't get into tricking as their directed more towards specialised sports in which it is an advantage to be tall like AFL, Basketball, etc. You said that what you state is fact, but it'd be great if you could link to an article or two which confirms and explains why this is so :juji: It seems to me the reasons could be more social than physical.

No need for article here, it's actually quite simple. Taller people have longer limbs, and thus, they must apply more force (torque) to rotate those limbs around their pivot point, thus, they're slower.

[tuareg]

Or so is the average of tall people.


Anyway, im small.

[Dave]

*Note: a google search found nothing too relevant lol

No need for article here, it's actually quite simple. Taller people have longer limbs, and thus, they must apply more force (torque) to rotate those limbs around their pivot point, thus, they're slower.

I think I almost agree, except that I have a little bit of a problem with your semantics.

Speed = Distance / Time

*Assume that the taller you are, the longer your legs are*

Imagine the person's leg is the length of the radius of a circle. A shorter person has a smaller leg therefore a smaller radius and smaller distance to travel. And a taller person, the opposite. So the shorter person has a clear advantage here [as far as speed goes].

But note that time is also a big factor and has many variables. Mainly strength as the more force you can produce the less time it will take to complete. Also, a shorter distance to travel will mean a decrease in the time it takes to complete a kick. So theoretically a shorter person with the same strength as someone who is taller will be quicker, but if they were both proportionally equal in strength I think that there might not be any difference...

**NOTE: Here is a quote from Kyukodo Gaz I think is pretty relevant and interesting: Strength is relative, it depends upon engines (muscles), and levers (bones). The longer your levers (bones), the more the output, therefore if you have shorter levers, you need larger engines (muscles) to gain the same amount of output.

****NOTE: I'm just working through this, it may or may not be completely wrong lol. I have no real references this is just what I have worked out and it seems alright but if it is wrong please correct me :smile:

[the hebrew hamme]

Somebody was asking why there aren't many tall gymnasts and the answer to that is rings. It takes a hell of a lot of strength to do that at 5'8" so at 6'2" those guys would be like antoine... well maybe not that big.

[slim-grim]

The same thread starter made the same thread over on dogentricks.com, this is what I said there:

"Dude just becasue there arent any great tall trickers doesnt mean that theres no hope for us tall guys. There are so many tall trickers who feel as if theres no point in continuing tricking, just because they feel limited by their height. I say fuck that, I'm six foot five, I'm a decent tricker, and I plan to be a great one. So just because there havnt been any amazing tall trickers YET doesnt mean there will never be...

/rant"

[frankinstine]

Eh his question was are there any GOOD trickers over 6'. Personally I don't see any, except maybe Kim Do, but is he really that good? The fact is, it REALLY is harder to trick, or to do any acrobatics for that matter, when you're very tall.

how do you know? how tall are you?

No need for article here, it's actually quite simple. Taller people have longer limbs, and thus, they must apply more force (torque) to rotate those limbs around their pivot point, thus, they're slower.

that is true, but it doesn't mean slower. its all relative. if your relative strength is the same, your speed will be the same. it woudn't matter if you were 12 ft tall if you had proportionate strength and weight to your size.

[Swartz]

Yes, frankinstine and I are right, you are wrong glide2.

It's about being proportional. Your statement would make sense if the person with longer limbs had the same strength/force as the short person, but if they're proportional just like the short one they'll have great strength and therefore just as good speed (JUST like frankinstine said). Your argument is empty and has no support. It's based solely on your observance on a select group, and not on the principles behind it.

[frankinstine]

Yes, frankinstine and I are right, you are wrong glide2.

It's about being proportional. Your statement would make sense if the person with longer limbs had the same strength/force as the short person, but if they're proportional just like the short one they'll have great strength and therefore just as good speed (JUST like frankinstine said). Your argument is empty and has no support. It's based solely on your observance on a select group, and not on the principles behind it.

lol. i kinda thought that would be common sense. heh, how cool would it be to see some freakishly huge, world record size trickster? lol.

[Torre]

I am 6'9". Newbie though. :eh:

[Surge]

Fuck me thats massive :|

[Torre]

It is deceiving, cause I am still skinny :smile: But I am about to start conditioning, so in a couple of years, I might really be massive.

[glide2]

Yes, frankinstine and I are right, you are wrong glide2.

It's about being proportional. Your statement would make sense if the person with longer limbs had the same strength/force as the short person, but if they're proportional just like the short one they'll have great strength and therefore just as good speed (JUST like frankinstine said). Your argument is empty and has no support. It's based solely on your observance on a select group, and not on the principles behind it.

That's right, except that for the most part, shorter people have more proportional strength than taller people, and that combined with their shorter limbs equals more speed and relative power. Look at all the best trickers. Sess, Terada, Emig, Vasquez... all fast as shit, all below 5'6. Top gymnasts? You can bet your ass that they're all well below 6 feet. Then look at the taller trickers... Juji, for example, who's 5'11. Notice how his moves are slower and smoother. He's still god, no doubt about that, but for raw speed? Even Juji himself will tell you that he's not built for speed. Perhaps YOU can show me someone over 2 meters who has enough proportional strength and body control to comfortably handle tricking.

[Dave]

That's right, except that for the most part, shorter people have more proportional strength than taller people, and that combined with their shorter limbs equals more speed and relative power. Look at all the best trickers. Sess, Terada, Emig, Vasquez... all fast as shit, all below 5'6. Top gymnasts? You can bet your ass that they're all well below 6 feet. Then look at the taller trickers... Juji, for example, who's 5'11. Notice how his moves are slower and smoother. He's still god, no doubt about that, but for raw speed? Even Juji himself will tell you that he's not built for speed. Perhaps YOU can show me someone over 2 meters who has enough proportional strength and body control to comfortably handle tricking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIZ_e7FVLdc at 1:28

[glide2]

http://www.trickstutorials.com/download.php?id=540c-exa

or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIZ_e7FVLdc at 1:28

Thanks for making my point, that first clip is a perfect example or a slow, smooth move. The second one is quite fast, but if you consider Juji's global style, it's obvious that he's much slower than guys like Vasquez or Terada.

[Dave]

I didnt view the first one lol, the 2nd one it is clear how fast and explosive juji is! His style isnt really focused on being speedy, but it is obvious he has the ability to perform tricks with tremendous speed and power.

[shengoikee]

i fail to see the importance of this thread :eh:

[Dave]

There isn't any, the OP was just looking for some reassurance that being tall isnt a disadvantage because hes probably struggling a bit currently.

[Aznjumpkick]

bubba's 6 1

[pete_man_man]

i've never measured myself. i like my proportions, although i wouldn't mind longer legs.

[Swartz]

That's right, except that for the most part, shorter people have more proportional strength than taller people, and that combined with their shorter limbs equals more speed and relative power. Look at all the best trickers. Sess, Terada, Emig, Vasquez... all fast as shit, all below 5'6. Top gymnasts? You can bet your ass that they're all well below 6 feet. Then look at the taller trickers... Juji, for example, who's 5'11. Notice how his moves are slower and smoother. He's still god, no doubt about that, but for raw speed? Even Juji himself will tell you that he's not built for speed. Perhaps YOU can show me someone over 2 meters who has enough proportional strength and body control to comfortably handle tricking.

Well that's nice glide but speed is not the only factor in how good a trickster is, and that was your point from the beginning. "Good tricksters over 6 foot"

Maybe you should rethink your original point because you seemed to have changed it.

[shengoikee]

damien walters (who competes in world power tumbling) told me that the shorter athletes have the biggest advantage when it comes to number of flips (that would mean triple back haha) but the taller athletes (including damien) are able to pull of twists much more easily because of their arm length. he does triple twisting double back pretty easily whereas a shorter guy would find it more difficult.

[Swartz]

What I don't understand is why anybody gives a shit about any of this. It doesn't matter. You can argue about it all day but it won't change your height, and you really should only be concerned about your skill level, not everyone else's.

[shengoikee]

that's what i was thinking earlier on in this thread haha

but i felt like pointing out that it's not "always" shorter guys who are at an advantage. so there's no saying you can't do "x" move for reasons of height. sessh keeps saying the best 540gyros are really difficult for the taller guys but im determined to keep pushing mine further haha

[Swartz]

Yeah sessh says a lot of shit.

[Spacey]

Yeah sessh says a lot of shit.

How dare you insult Sessh like that Swartz?

[shengoikee]

Yeah sessh says a lot of shit.

actually he is pretty much like god.

[Swartz]

You damn well better be sarcastic, shengoikee.

[shengoikee]

no iv met him, he is actually like god haha.

[Swartz]

Stop worshipping sessh, shengoikee.

[shengoikee]

but he's my chosen deity.

[Scott]

Change your avatar back to me and Jan's antics please, Dave. It took a long time for Tristan to make that gif for us.

[shengoikee]

ahhhh i accidentally lost it when i was playing around thinking i could change it back :agony:

but feel free to have your way with me anytime guys =)

i did enjoy the avatar

[JOHNMCLAY]

I'm 6' 2", I'll let you guys judge.