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Skilzat85X
Aug-23-07, 01:19 PM
1. STOP TELLING PEOPLE THEY NEED TO BLOCK TO LAND A MOVE!
2. STOP CONSTANTLY TRYING TO BLOCK EVERY SINGLE MOVE TO TRY TO LAND IT!
3. LEARN WHAT BLOCKING ACTUALLY IS AND HOW IT WORKS AND WHEN TO ACTUALLY USE IT TO BENEFIT YOURSELF.



:agony:

saunders
Aug-23-07, 01:26 PM
finally! i hate all that stupid blocking advice people give on every single move. BLOCKING DOES NOT APPLY TO EVERY MOVE!!!

shengoikee
Aug-23-07, 01:28 PM
general term?

like "blocking may be usefully applied to moves in which you run forwards without the use of a windup"

telling people to block btwists or 540s is kinda silly haha

Skilzat85X
Aug-23-07, 01:35 PM
Telling people to block anything except for freaking double back flips (which aren't even a singular move anyways, they're always proceeded with a roundoff) is retarded.

Everyone thinks blocking magically helps them land moves when they have no absolutely no tech.

Blocking does not help you land any singular (done out of combination) move! It only adds on extra height to it!
And even THEN it's only if you're whole body already has momentum flowing in a particular direction.

:agony:

You see the thing people don't realize with stuff say like corkscrews is that you don't have to block to land, you just have to not do the opposite of block, which would be like having your foot way behind you haha.

poliver
Aug-23-07, 01:35 PM
BLOCKING = MAGIC!!!

WilliamT
Aug-23-07, 01:36 PM
but if you block on all your moves you can go high like that anus chafer guy.

no but seriously it is technique problems and not lack of blocking you n00bs!

jan
Aug-23-07, 01:45 PM
Actually, blocking somewhat in a btwist actually helps in getting you straighter upwards and higher.

AsoBit
Aug-23-07, 01:45 PM
Just block those people.

frankinstine
Aug-23-07, 01:47 PM
slizat, if you keep stressin bout all this tricking nonsense, you're gonna have a heart attackat 19.

btw, you hittin the gym tonight?

Skilzat85X
Aug-23-07, 01:49 PM
slizat, if you keep stressin bout all this tricking nonsense, you're gonna have a heart attackat 19.

btw, you hittin the gym tonight?

Nah probably on Saturday. I wasn't planning to but like the office I work at is closing next Friday haha so I might ask them if they have any jobs open thaarrr.
MONEY MONEY MONEY!
Actually, blocking somewhat in a btwist actually helps in getting you straighter upwards and higher.
I think everyone blocks in a btwist without knowing just because the goofy btwist setup forces you to shove your leg all the way out there haha.

tricker_d
Aug-23-07, 01:51 PM
Blocking helps you utilize your jump to its maximum potential but doesn't make you jump any higher. And yes it is annoying when you are jumping as hard as you can and someone says "o u need 2 block more".

frankinstine
Aug-23-07, 01:51 PM
well, you are gaymax if your not going. i'm gonna double back on floor tonight.

btw, if you do get a yob there, you gotta hook me up.

Metigue
Aug-23-07, 02:07 PM
I either block on every move, don't block at all, or block on the last move in a sequence. lol.

Charles B
Aug-23-07, 02:18 PM
LOL

i remember when i thought blocking was the secret to everything

sesshoumaru
Aug-23-07, 02:37 PM
Telling people to block anything except for freaking double back flips (which aren't even a singular move anyways, they're always proceeded with a roundoff) is retarded.

Everyone thinks blocking magically helps them land moves when they have no absolutely no tech.

Blocking does not help you land any singular (done out of combination) move! It only adds on extra height to it!
And even THEN it's only if you're whole body already has momentum flowing in a particular direction.

:agony:

You see the thing people don't realize with stuff say like corkscrews is that you don't have to block to land, you just have to not do the opposite of block, which would be like having your foot way behind you haha.

Thank GOD somebody said it before I did...the same could go for the word "stall".

Stalling isn't going to help you learn 90% of the tricks that's currently out. The first time I D.CORK'd, I didn't stall at all. It was only later, that I was able to stall it a little bit. You should only worry about stalling until you're trying to get a trick better than it already is [which means you can already do it].

Alot of people throw the word "block" and "stall" around like it's a magic word that allows you to suddenly land a trick. If you do not genuinely know what advice to give someone when they ask for help, do not tell him to "stall" or "block" just because you don't know his specific problem.

simon
Aug-23-07, 02:40 PM
BLOCK CAPITAL LETTERS.

AsoBit
Aug-23-07, 02:43 PM
I blocked and stalled once. It just took longer for the ground to hit me.

Dave
Aug-23-07, 02:46 PM
I blame dogen's tuts

Kaos
Aug-23-07, 03:12 PM
Stop blocking? *points to wards Rooks Round off Flash* Theres a reason why not to stop blocking

shengoikee
Aug-23-07, 03:18 PM
The first time I D.CORK'd, I didn't stall at all. It was only later, that I was able to stall it a little bit.

i'd love to see you do just a plain double cork! only ever seen you swing into double gfulls from stuff and your regular corks have a strange ninja-like look to them haha

sesshoumaru
Aug-23-07, 03:30 PM
i'd love to see you do just a plain double cork! only ever seen you swing into double gfulls from stuff and your regular corks have a strange ninja-like look to them haha

Here (http://www.divshare.com/download/1706994-b2e) is one of the few times I attempted to D.CORK with a "J-step technique" [it's at the end].

shengoikee
Aug-23-07, 03:34 PM
oooohhh dude those 3 clips were unbelievable!

im so surprised these wern't in your samplers! (obviously you'd rather land the double but that 1st combo.... wow man) it'd be so cool seeing you starting a combo with a double like that and finishing with your usual style.

big fan of those short but sweet combos <3

TKD_Andy
Aug-23-07, 03:35 PM
Blocking does not help you land any singular (done out of combination) move! It only adds on extra height to it!.


what it you only need extra height to land the move? :wink:

haha, im just messing with you. Blocking is one of many useful tools, but like any tools, they can be blamed for failure just as much as they are praised for success.

correct blocking = ultimate win.
trying to apply blocking to everything = ultimate time consuming lose.

sesshoumaru
Aug-23-07, 03:44 PM
oooohhh dude those 3 clips were unbelievable!

im so surprised these wern't in your samplers! (obviously you'd rather land the double but that 1st combo.... wow man) it'd be so cool seeing you starting a combo with a double like that and finishing with your usual style.

big fan of those short but sweet combos <3

Thanx man...they just didn't make the cut. Though they looked pretty good, they just didn't have the technical difficulty that I wanted to display :eh:

:: I SUCK AT CORKS ::

Cicero
Aug-23-07, 03:55 PM
This thread gives me an idea.

Kaos
Aug-23-07, 03:58 PM
This thread gives me an idea.

Does it hurt ?

shengoikee
Aug-23-07, 03:58 PM
Thanx man...they just didn't make the cut. Though they looked pretty good, they just didn't have the technical difficulty that I wanted to display :eh:

:: I SUCK AT CORKS ::

ah yeah i remember people mentioning how you wanted that first samp to be technical above anything else.

which looking back doesn't seem like an obvious choice to make. but then again that thing made a big impact.

jan
Aug-23-07, 04:24 PM
Corks suck bigtime. I hate them.

TKD_Andy
Aug-23-07, 04:27 PM
corks are fun, but get boring after a while.

I only really got them to prove to myself that i could, i rarely do them anymore.

Less than Dan
Aug-23-07, 04:28 PM
Well, I blame Dogen's tutorials too. Everyone is like "IF U WANNA DU GAINER FLSH, YOU HAVE TO DO JSTEP AND BLOCK, AND ALSO MUSCLE MEMORY N U NEED GOOD ANKLES".

It's not the tutorials that screwed everything up, however. It's the idiot consensus around here that took it as "you have to do things THIS WAY or else its invalid".

shengoikee
Aug-23-07, 04:30 PM
"IF U WANNA DU GAINER FLSH, YOU HAVE TO DO JSTEP AND BLOCK, AND ALSO MUSCLE MEMORY N U NEED GOOD ANKLES".

hahahaha! :good:

Tocano
Aug-23-07, 04:48 PM
Dogen is God and therefore his tuts are the word of God. Follow them or be exiled to the MLM underworld.

Scott
Aug-23-07, 05:44 PM
AIDS Tutorial

biyak
Aug-23-07, 10:34 PM
Telling people to block anything except for freaking double back flips (which aren't even a singular move anyways, they're always proceeded with a roundoff) is retarded.

Everyone thinks blocking magically helps them land moves when they have no absolutely no tech.

Blocking does not help you land any singular (done out of combination) move! It only adds on extra height to it!
And even THEN it's only if you're whole body already has momentum flowing in a particular direction.

:agony:

You see the thing people don't realize with stuff say like corkscrews is that you don't have to block to land, you just have to not do the opposite of block, which would be like having your foot way behind you haha.


dud that's not true, maybe for you who can actually jump, it does not matter
becase for people that struggle to jump it does matter, a lot.

because when you do block in front flip, dleg , and millions other moves that extra little hight is get people in the beginning to start landing the moves

your topic is useless, and telling to block is good in case they don't realize that they do need to.

and you can block and 540 - when you put the jumping leg farther which does make you go up more instead of moving a lot of distance.

Skilzat85X
Aug-23-07, 10:37 PM
^A prime example of complete brainwashing and having ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE WHAT THE FUNCTIONALITY OF BLOCKING IS.

SEE? DONT YOU EVEN SEE IN YOUR POST? "PEOPLE WHO CAN ACTUALLY JUMP." I TAKE THAT AS, PEOPLE WHO CAN ACTUALLY EXECUTE GOOD TECHNIQUE. WHICH IS INFINITELY MORE IMPORTANT THAN BLOCKING. AND THATS EVEN ASSUMING THAT BLOCKING IS IMPORTANT TO BEGIN WITH.

when you put the jumping leg farther which does make you go up more instead of moving a lot of distance.
Ok, please explain to me the mechanics of this and how they work?

No better yet, I will.

If you try to block a standing move, here's what happens. You stick your leg out in front of you.
Thus, the angle in say, a 540 between your leg and your body becomes this:
/
If you don't try to do this pathetic block, and get your legs close together, the angle is like this:
|

Now when the leg is fully extended into the jump, the force of the jump will push you in the direction between your foot and your hip. This means the force of the jump will not go straight up.
This also means your body will probably travel more towards < that way to compensate for the angle of the jump, meaning more travel and less height.

Kyle McLean
Aug-23-07, 11:13 PM
why is it called blocking...to me "blocking" should be common sense..why did we have to come up with a stupid word for it?

Dave
Aug-23-07, 11:17 PM
Yuuuuup. From personal experience, attempting to "block" 540's actually made me travel more. Then I realised I got infinitely better results by just trying to be straight up and down like | . Also trying to block screwed up the flow of the move to me.

Less than Dan
Aug-23-07, 11:20 PM
why is it called blocking...to me "blocking" should be common sense..why did we have to come up with a stupid word for it?

Because "blocking" is the gymnastics term for it.

Kyle McLean
Aug-23-07, 11:35 PM
and when did we become gymnasts?

Less than Dan
Aug-23-07, 11:42 PM
Since we started borrowing aspects and basing our foundation off of gymnastics, just like we borrow aspects and base our foundation off of martial arts as well.

Kyle McLean
Aug-23-07, 11:44 PM
sry it still seems really stupid to me

Scott
Aug-23-07, 11:55 PM
We also call things silly names like "back handspring" or "front tuck". "Blocking" is kind of a random name for it though, I'll give you that.

Less than Dan
Aug-24-07, 12:07 AM
I never said that it sounded great either. I think "blocking" is a stupid term as well.

saunders
Aug-24-07, 03:40 AM
actually, when gymnasts talk about blocking they mean when the swing of the arms come to an abrupt stop (in backflips for example). their definition is different from ours.

and i believe the general point of this thread is that blocking is a nice addition to getting better tricks, but that a lot of people seem to forget that technique >>> blocking. without proper technique you won't land tricks, or they'll be ugly as hell.

Luygeenios
Aug-24-07, 05:45 AM
You are all giving to much importance to this one little aspect of tricking, one of a thousand!

Just because it has got a name, "blocking". You need the will to want it, the body and soul, the power, strength, agility, speed, motivation, passion, muscles, brain, courage, dynamic, agression, calm and many, many more things. Why, damn it, yall forgetting this!?!?!?!? :wicked:

sry bros :sad:

it just came out of me :wink:

Chris_K
Aug-24-07, 07:52 AM
1. STOP TELLING PEOPLE THEY NEED TO BLOCK TO LAND A MOVE!
2. STOP CONSTANTLY TRYING TO BLOCK EVERY SINGLE MOVE TO TRY TO LAND IT!
3. LEARN WHAT BLOCKING ACTUALLY IS AND HOW IT WORKS AND WHEN TO ACTUALLY USE IT TO BENEFIT YOURSELF.



:agony:

Dude, you could totally land your cheat gainers if you just blocked more.

Skilzat85X
Aug-24-07, 09:12 AM
Yea I'm with Scott and Less Than Dan haha.

Man why do people always have to go one way or the other ha. Blocking has it's excellent points and it has it's abuses.

You see you can't try to say "oh when did we become gymnasts." In fact maybe that would be better since they're better than executing flip and flip/twist orientated tricks than basically all of us. Thus, we borrow those aspects and use them to our advantage. If you don't wanna use gymnasts terms, then you better stop roundoff...ing, front tucking, back flipping, fulltwisting, etc.

And blocking is used because you're "blocking" momentum. It's an important concept to be applied correctly to roundoff moves, most people don't when they're self taught.

Extremism extremism extremism

alpha7158
Aug-24-07, 09:33 AM
skilz the ammount of people I ahve taught aerials and btwists because they aren't blocking correctly. Granted I said more that just 'Hey you should block it more' but essentialy what I explain to them is how they should block it.

Blocking works well in lots of tricks, why would you ever want to not block when you could block?

edit: just so you know i haven't read the entire thread.

Skilzat85X
Aug-24-07, 09:38 AM
skilz the ammount of people I ahve taught aerials and btwists because they aren't blocking correctly. Granted I said more that just 'Hey you should block it more' but essentialy what I explain to them is how they should block it.

Blocking works well in lots of tricks, why would you ever want to not block when you could block?

edit: just so you know i haven't read the entire thread.

I agree but that's not my point though hehe.

Although good lord you don't need to block aerial dang it! Haha. I've studied this and explained it somewhere else. But anyways correct foot positioning /= blocking.

alpha7158
Aug-24-07, 09:40 AM
No it is blocking. Technicaly having your foot infront of the direction of force is blocking. So planting your foot in an aerial and taking off after pushing off of the floor with your knee behind your ankle is blocking.

Scott
Aug-24-07, 09:41 AM
Guys gymnastics has nothing to do with tricks.
It's a well known fact that all gymnasts are gay guys with no strength, whereas tricksters are all very strong, well-trained athletes with nothing but endless heterosexual thoughts.

Skilzat85X
Aug-24-07, 09:41 AM
How does blocking work.

biyak
Aug-24-07, 09:44 AM
man what is your point i dont get it on the one you say to stop blocking but on the other you say you agree that blocking is essential.

if your point is to say all the time block more, then i agree, but most of the time in flips
the problem in the blocking.

im confused about the point of this topic

Skilzat85X
Aug-24-07, 09:46 AM
man what is your point i dont get it on the one you say to stop blocking but on the other you say you agree that blocking is essential.

if your point is to say all the time block more, then i agree, but most of the time in flips
the problem in the blocking.

im confused about the point of this topic

Nobody ever understands the point of my topics haha.

That's because everyone wants to get stirred up and take sides and take extreme viewpoints.

alpha7158
Aug-24-07, 09:46 AM
i think skilz is getting blocking mixed up with method of takeoff; i.e. pushed takeoffs as apposed to punch. Blocking can be applied to both however it is a term more commonly used with punch gymnastics moves.

Cicero
Aug-24-07, 09:49 AM
Hahahah, someone is getting backed up into a corner.

jan
Aug-24-07, 09:51 AM
I'd say: Stop trying to excessively block standing cheat900s, and keep blocking your damn doublelegs.

Skilzat85X
Aug-24-07, 10:15 AM
i think skilz is getting blocking mixed up with method of takeoff; i.e. pushed takeoffs as apposed to punch. Blocking can be applied to both however it is a term more commonly used with punch gymnastics moves.
Not rly.

Blocking is, ironically enough, "blocking momentum" into whatever whateverness.

As in, you have to take the momentum of an object, say a tricker, a pole vaulter, or a stick. That entire object is moving on it's merry way with lots of horizontal momentum.
And then it sticks the ground and pushes it. If it pushes below it it will be adding vertical momentum to itself, and the horizontal momentum to itself.
Now, if that object hits the ground at a certain angle, let's say around 45 degrees for all intents and purposes, that horizontal momentum can't keep going horizontally unless the surface does not have enough friction.
Now, thanks to our good, the law of conservation of energy or something like that, that horizontal momentum can't just disappear. It has to go somewhere, if it can't go anywhere it's going to get stuck and alter the fabrics of space and time and tear a whole in the universe that will destroy all matter as we know it.
So instead, the momentum gets "blocked" into the only available direction, the "path of least resistance" or some crap like that. Which is generally up up and away.

To that end, blocking cannot be applied to :
- Standing moves.
- Moves where the leg(s) is(are) not locked. If it is not locked then the bending of the knee can absorb the impact and you say goodbye blocking momentum.
- Generally any moves where the entire body does not have momentum in a particular direction.

Thankfully, blocking can be very well applied to:
- Tumbling combinations.
- Any move with a lot of run-up momentum in which there is no sufficient bending of the knee to allow for absorbing of the impact/momentum.
As we can see from an example of a good aerial:
http://www.trickstutorials.com/images/t_aero4.jpghttp://www.trickstutorials.com/images/t_aero5.jpghttp://www.trickstutorials.com/images/t_aero6.jpg
There is a significant bend of the knee, which is then extended into a jump, as all straight up vertical jumps usually do.

Why?
Because since the knee is positioned beneath the body and move emphasizes a heavy jump, the knee must be bent so the leg muscles can then gain full extension and propel one up into the air. Ho ho ho. Same principle with butterfly kicks.

Now, a confusion may arise when it's like "hey if you put your foot farther up you'll land that." Blocking? No. Technique? Yes.
Let me explain.

View the above thumbnails of Juji's aerial. You see how his foot is placed slight ahead of his torso when it first goes down? Goody! This means when his hips/torso/COG move over that position when he jumps he'll be launched up up and away!
Now imagine if instead his leg was placed further behind him when he first planted it, say under his hips instead of under his torso. Then, the angle between his foot and his center of gravity would be slanted, which would cause the force of his jump to be pushed not upwards, but upwards AND outwards, thus meaning less force for the height and more force for the travel. The same can be applied with many moves.

To that end, proper foot positioning is essential so the force of the jump does not go askew but remains as vertical as possible, depending on the intent of the move of course. Hence why when people try to jump over like a row of people, they stretch themselves faaar in the direction they're going which they're feet behind them so they travel a lot.

However, this foot positioning itself does not at all imply blocking. There is no blocking of momentum, hence why many (good) standing aerials are the same height as people's running aerials (although there is usually more travel, obviously). Moves like these and many singular moves emphasize a dig a powerful dig and jump, and the foot positioning is crucial, even if they're not blocking.

So to sum it up:
- Proper foot positioning does not equate to blocking.
- Proper foot positioning is essential, whereas blocking is meant to gain extra height.
- Technique essential to land a trick, whereas blocking is not essential to land any singular trick. I say singular because of tricks like the double back flip, in which it's proceeded by a roundoff (thus, making it in combination, not singular) to gain the extra momentum and block required to gain extra height.
- Blocking is essential for roundoff moves to be able to gain greater height using the momentum of the roundoff.
- Blocking helps a lot for aestethic appeal.

:: The blocking post to end all blocking posts ::

Man I swear tricking could be a college major.

alpha7158
Aug-24-07, 10:33 AM
im not going to read that post just because im lazy haha.

RĄzzĄce
Aug-24-07, 10:34 AM
I still think Skilzat is gay

Asura
Aug-24-07, 11:07 AM
I don't think Skilzat is saying not to block. I think he's saying to chillax on the whole "you must block on everything in order to land it" ideology that many people have going on here.

Techniques that require a good block [mostly j-step techniques: BOX, D.CORK, CAII, S.CROSS, T.FULL, D.BACK, DLEG, etc.], you should block on.

Other tricks [mostly kicking techniques: 540, PKNIFE , C9, SIDESWIPE, etc.], you shouldn't waste your time trying to block into because the "blocking technique" is only efficient if you have forward momentum.

Therefore, tricks that you would do in place...DO NOT BLOCK ON THEM!!!

1) wushu setup for HYPERHOOK > hook > BTWIST > st GAINER [block on the HHOOK]

2) TORNADO-front > ENVERGADO > B9 > hook > HHOOK [no blocking required]

In combo one [1], you have forward momentum going into the first trick...so by all means, block. In combo two [2], the combo is done from a standstill...blocking becomes counter-productive.

Skilzat85X
Aug-24-07, 11:36 AM
I don't think Skilzat is saying not to block. I think he's saying to chillax on the whole "you must block on everything in order to land it" ideology that many people have going on here.

Techniques that require a good block [mostly j-step techniques: BOX, D.CORK, CAII, S.CROSS, T.FULL, D.BACK, DLEG, etc.], you should block on.

Other tricks [mostly kicking techniques: 540, PKNIFE , C9, SIDESWIPE, etc.], you shouldn't waste your time trying to block into because the "blocking technique" is only efficient if you have forward momentum.

Therefore, tricks that you would do in place...DO NOT BLOCK ON THEM!!!

1) wushu setup for HYPERHOOK > hook > BTWIST > st GAINER [block on the HHOOK]

2) TORNADO-front > ENVERGADO > B9 > hook > HHOOK [no blocking required]

In combo one [1], you have forward momentum going into the first trick...so by all means, block. In combo two [2], the combo is done from a standstill...blocking becomes counter-productive.
Capitilizing all the trick names, this is new? Haha.

The thing is sometimes the "blocking" tip might actually work though. For instance the hyper hook you do by bending and extending your knee so you don't block momentum. But you still need to stick your leg far out to be able to get the best takeoff out of it. So it's sorta the same motion you'd do if you wanted to block but you still don't block.

It's just a misuse of the term. Who knows. Why can't we have an easier term for "put your foot in front of you so your tech is right even if you're not blocking momentum." I think I'll call it.......extending. OMGZ NEW TERMINOLOGY. I dunno call it whatever, but it's not blocking momentum. And if someone tries to block the momentum with the straight leg they'll die. :agony:

EDIT: Psssh Sessh why hook after the hyperhook just going right into that btwist works yeeeeeaaa. :wink:

lastmanstanding
Aug-24-07, 01:10 PM
I can only land my kip-up when i block

frankinstine
Aug-24-07, 01:19 PM
why are so many people saying you only need to block on moves like a double back? you should block on a single back tuck, or a punch front. just because you dont need rediculous hight doesnt mean you need to travel 6 ft horizontally either.

tricker_d
Aug-24-07, 04:10 PM
Punches like on front flips or side flips are better examples of blocking. In aerials you just place the foot infront of you.

frankinstine
Aug-24-07, 04:19 PM
its still blocking.

Skilzat85X
Aug-24-07, 04:22 PM
Noooope

tricker_d
Aug-24-07, 04:30 PM
Roundoff backflips and variations are more examples of real blocking.

Skilzat85X
Aug-24-07, 04:32 PM
Yepppppp

tricker_d
Aug-24-07, 04:35 PM
Handsprings too but I don't really know about front handsprings since you plant your hands closer to your feet. But gymnastics people use them before front tucks sometimes.

Bryanimay
Aug-24-07, 05:00 PM
You don't place your hands closer to your feet in a front handspring .

Gymnasts do block when coming out of any kind of handspring or transfer skill where momentum is involved .

tricker_d
Aug-24-07, 05:45 PM
You don't place your hands closer to your feet in a front handspring .

Gymnasts do block when coming out of any kind of handspring or transfer skill where momentum is involved .

My sister's friend is doing gymnastics and she says thats how they do them. I think you are supposed to put your hands where feet where when they leave the ground or something. Ill look for a tutorial.

Dec88
Aug-24-07, 06:13 PM
this thread started out as Skilz saying - "will people stop telling everyone to block every trick they need help on, but has turned into an argument about what exactly blocking is and when its used.

People set up for tricks differently, and blocking only counts when you've got momentum (as Sessh pointed out).

Its true though that whenever you see a new "Help with my...." thread you'll get someone trying to boost their post count saying simply "block". Either give input relavent to the question or leave it alone

thaeds
Aug-24-07, 07:06 PM
My sister's friend is doing gymnastics and she says thats how they do them. I think you are supposed to put your hands where feet where when they leave the ground or something. Ill look for a tutorial.

The best way to get correct momentum and power out of a front handspring is to put your hands down at about your maximum reach distance (feet to hands laying down). This distance starts at the foot that you are taking off on. Front handsprings are done with a hurdle, and single foot takeoff. Bounders are a gymnastics skill with a two foot takeoff. The total reach distance may be slightly more or slightly less, depending on your personal preference, but don't vary it by too much.

Yes, this feels awkward at first, almost like you are diving into it, but it creates much more power, which allows you to tumble out of it.

As far as backhandsprings go, the general rule of thumb for them is that the distance from where your feet start, to where your feet end should be about your total reach. Again, slightly more or slightly less, but around this much for power and momentum.

This means you actually reach more in front handsprings than in back ones.

Of course these tricks CAN be done with any distance. It's possible to do backhandsprings moving forwards and still tumble out of them. However the distances I wrote here are the best for achieving maximum momentum and power. If you can tumble out of front handsprings with your hands by your feet, awesome. You'd do a lot better if you stretched it out though.

thaeds
Aug-24-07, 07:12 PM
Oh, and if your sisters friend was actually told to put her hands by where her feet are, she is likely to die very soon because she will be diving headfirst into the floor...

Really, think that through, think of the mechanics. How in the world are you supposed to get any sort of power if you put your hands down at your feet? It's absurd, and everyone should be able to tell that right away!

That being said, it would likely look awesome anyway! But it would still not be anything close to a front handspring, haha.

Spyder_V
Aug-24-07, 07:27 PM
I think you just need to block...

frankinstine
Aug-24-07, 07:42 PM
no, just use the j-step.

tricker_d
Aug-24-07, 07:43 PM
^^^ Lol

Then again, I could have heard her wrong.

Asura
Aug-24-07, 07:44 PM
why are so many people saying you only need to block on moves like a double back? you should block on a single back tuck, or a punch front. just because you dont need rediculous hight doesnt mean you need to travel 6 ft horizontally either.

I'm not sure if you were reffering to my comment, but...

Techniques that require a good block [mostly j-step techniques: BOX, D.CORK, CAII, S.CROSS, T.FULL, D.BACK, DLEG, etc.], you should block on...

"Should", because it is more encouraged that you block on them than any other technique. For "single backflips/frontflips", it's not even necessary for you to even jump to land them [if the rest of your technique is perfect]. However, the same can't be said for most of the tricks mentioned above.

I should know...I do FFLIP's off my knees and BFLIP's off my ass [not really off my ass, but you get the point].

frankinstine
Aug-24-07, 07:53 PM
I'm not sure if you were reffering to my comment, but...



"Should", because it is more encouraged that you block on them than any other technique. For "single backflips/frontflips", it's not even necessary for you to even jump to land them [if the rest of your technique is perfect]. However, the same can't be said for most of the tricks mentioned above.

I should know...I do FFLIP's off my knees and BFLIP's off my ass [not really off my ass, but you get the point].

seriously, how do you do those?? like, wtf?

Spyder_V
Aug-24-07, 07:55 PM
seriously, how do you do those?? like, wtf?

Dood... don't fucking question Asura man.

frankinstine
Aug-24-07, 08:13 PM
why? it's a valid question. its not like i asked why he's black or something.

LuCifer
Aug-25-07, 01:58 AM
blocking?? im new to this tricking thing, blocking?

lastmanstanding
Aug-25-07, 02:14 PM
Its when you pretend youre offline to annoying MSN contacts. it gives you higher trixx.

Less than Dan
Aug-25-07, 03:55 PM
EVERYONE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP BLOCKING.

I AM TRYING TO SLEE

Nick Fail
Nov-07-07, 12:33 PM
Blocking does not help you land any singular (done out of combination) move! It only adds on extra height to it!
And even THEN it's only if you're whole body already has momentum flowing in a particular direction.


Hm, I dunno what everyone else thinks BUT when I do a move and it is higher than normal...its easier to land, Usually. Call me crazy but a Doubleleg at head hieght is easier to land that a Doubleleg at waist hieght for the most part. I dunno, could be wrong. I just thought this was a pretty strange ultimatum.

Jon P
Nov-07-07, 12:35 PM
god, not this again.
CLOSED.

Skilzat85X
Nov-07-07, 01:00 PM
Good lord who bumped this crap haha. Thanks Jon!