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Ashtar
Sep-19-07, 12:41 AM
I was reading Juji's guide on the 360 kick (http://trickstutorials.com/index.php?page=content/t_360):
Without wasting too many words: I got some dynamic flexibility, learned to crescent kick, learned to spin crescent kick, then learned to jump spin crescent kick after becoming physically active for the first time in my life around thirteen years of age. A jump spin crescent is just a different way of saying 360 kick

I think this descriptive type of process is really good. It begins with the dynamic stretches and a basic kick, and then he adds words like 'spin' or 'jump' to it which gradually turn it into the 360 (outside crescent) kick. Whereas the tornado kick is sort of the reverse since it's an inside crescent, from what I understand.

Just going by the numbers, by using lower numbers for the degrees, that's the prerequisite. 540>360>180>90>45>0 or whatever. It'd be great to have a process like that for every trick. Obviously some don't have that option (there are no safe partial backflips) but there should be for spin kicks. In the case of cartwheels/double leg the gradual part seems to be how far overhead you make your legs go and how upright (cartwheel) or horizontal (double-leg) your torso is.

One thing that always confused me with the kicks is how the degrees are measured. Is the rotation of the body being measured, or the entirety of the foot's movement which is the addition of the body's rotation with the kick's rotation.

In the case of a crescent, the foot moves on the horizantal plane however much the distance between your max adduction and max abduction is, most of which while your hip is flexed. I guess that'd vary a lot depending on your flexibility. I can't figure if this is included in the measurement or if you basically just go by how much you rotate.

A problem with measuring rotating is if you go by sight, then you might under or overshoot it if you twist your torso/neck too early or late in either direction. So do you guys usually measure it by which way the base foot is pointing? Even then internal/external rotation of the hip can confuse things right?

Maybe it doesn't matter and it's just an approximation or something. I'm wondering how judges determine it during technical competitions.

Birch
Sep-19-07, 12:46 AM
Maybe it doesn't matter

correct

sghost666
Sep-19-07, 07:50 AM
I figure it's the body rotation not the foot. A 360 starts off with you facing forward and ends with you facing forward. I mean, you can over-rotate it but if you were to try to kick a target in front of you, then you'd turn 180 for the windup, bring an outside crescent around 180 degrees to strike the target and then you'd be facing forward. On a 540, you'd 180 windup, your first leg would come around so you're facing forward, and then for your back leg to hit the target you have to come around another 180 degrees, which makes you land backwards and gives you a full 540 degrees. And then there's the term 'hyper' which I think is pretty liquid, by which I mean that you're adding an indefinite amount of extra rotation in order to land on a certain leg. So I'd agree that degree terminology is just an approximation and that if you could strike your 'target' and you've got style then it makes little difference.

Ashtar
Sep-20-07, 01:55 PM
Thanks fo your input.