Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

[ChukiDori]

I think i have it...Anyone know anything about this? I seem to have alot of the symptoms...Im very fatigued and inactive all the time...Depressed, I also have "brain fog" is the best way to discribe it...However Stimulants such as a nice big cup of coffee get rid of that "fog" But it doesnt go away with rest ..its better of course but not gone completely. Been feeling like this for months...just foggy headed...and less mentaly competant.

[shengoikee]

it's AIDS.

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[brandonn]

spend less time hitting on STRAIGHT forum go'ers, more time sleeping

[ChukiDori]

Sleep doesnt help..well it does somewhat..but even if i sleep 12 hours it doesnt alleviate all the symptoms....Like right now my eyes feel strained, and i feel foggy...I have reduced cognitive abilities...Im slow and sluggish and uncoordinated and i have short term memory issues ...And due to all this i have anxiety and depression... I feel immensely hopeless..like i will never feel "normal" again or be happy.

[compleks]

Go to a doctor.

Do you really need us to tell you that?

[ChukiDori]

I hate my doctor...he always rushes me out the door for "tests" Then im like wait....Im not going to be able to come back untill i schedule ANOTHER appointment...FUCK!!!

[MasamKilik]

You been eating okay? Something causing you to be depressed? Issues? Problems? And yeah, be persistent with the doctor.

[cepopeye]

i get this a lot. I'llhave so much stuff i need to do and just lay down and sleep, its not absolutely being lazy either. I'll go tricking sometimes and try to tell myself to stop being lazy and the energy is just not there, i feel like a walking corpse. This is one of my biggest problems in all of life for sure

[Papa Lazarou]

I think you might try getting more sleep for some days if not weeks. I'm pretty sure sleep deprivation acts like a debt, and it takes more than one night to pay. You could try spending a week or so letting yourself sleep for as long as is natural. As in, sleep for as long as you want, wake up unassisted. If you sleep for longer than 9 hours doing this, I think it means you have a "debt". Once your natural sleeping length gets back to between 8 and 10 hours, you're probably back to normal.

Obviously my advice (here based on ridiculously amateur knowledge) is no substitute for a doctor.

Try to be optimistic! The problem is certainly fixable!
Good luck.

[receive]

ChukiDori - you speak about the problem as though it has developed not too long ago, and that you can remember a time when things were different. If this is the case, what has changed in your life? Think of everything you can.

Obviously my advice (here based on ridiculously amateur knowledge) is no substitute for a doctor.

Actually its about as good as any doctor is going to give. I've yet to meet one that knew the slightest thing about any problem I asked about or that even gave a shit.

If you do go to the doctor (and you should, its always worth it just incase they can help), then ask for a full and comprehensive blood test, get the results printed out for your own records and don't just believe the doctor's classification of them all as "normal". The "normal" ranges for many parameters are quite wide and include some very undesirable highs and lows.

Also perhaps seek a sleep study of some sort. A guy with similar symptoms to yours managed to get referred to a sleep clinic by his doctor and he recently got wired up for a night to see if and how his sleep is fucked up. I haven't heard what came of it yet.

Sleep definately changes things for me - I am only just coming out of a ~2 year stretch of 'sleep-maintainance insomnia' whereby I could fall asleep just fine but inevitably woke up many many times each night. During short periods of somehow getting better sleep my mental agility and feeling of clarity and quickness increased dramatically and reminded me how shit the sleep problems were making me. Coffee put me back up to a higher power level, as with yourself.

Also dietry changes could improve the situation - how do you eat at the moment?

[-Pat-]

Diet, rest, etc

If you have a family history of mental illness go get checked etc

Otherwise your doctor will prescribe you anti-depressants if you use the word "depression" etc

[Rahf]

For a good night's rest: Axbo alarm clock. (http://www.gadgetreview.com/2006/05/axbo-alarm-clock-review.html) Apparently it does what it is intended to do.

[Lobo]

it's AIDS.

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As soon as I saw the title of this thread, and that it was made by Chuki, I instantly that my post in it would be about AIDS, regardless of what the thread was about.

[Surge]

Please do me a favour and barrel roll off a cliff.

[jiayo-chris]

I smell fail.

[rwm]

Glandular fever or ME?

[compleks]

For a good night's rest: Axbo alarm clock. (http://www.gadgetreview.com/2006/05/axbo-alarm-clock-review.html) Apparently it does what it is intended to do.

That is a very good idea.

[Steve]

it's AIDS.

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eeee

[aideni]

Sleep doesnt help..well it does somewhat..but even if i sleep 12 hours it doesnt alleviate all the symptoms....Like right now my eyes feel strained, and i feel foggy...I have reduced cognitive abilities...Im slow and sluggish and uncoordinated and i have short term memory issues ...And due to all this i have anxiety and depression... I feel immensely hopeless..like i will never feel "normal" again or be happy.
Are you drinking water?Eating Right?Do you get out of bed straight away upon waking,Exercise?describe your lifestyle,do you trick?

[brandonn]

poor chukidori :[
i'm quite sure that the only reason he ever gets picked on is not because he's gay, but because he's one of the few people on these forums that is actually sure of his own sexuality.

[jiayo-chris]

That doesn't change the fact that it's aids...

[shengoikee]

he's one of the few people on these forums that is actually sure of his own sexuality.

i hate it when people say that. dumb.

[brandonn]

i hate it when people say that. dumb.

ur mom

[Ashtar]

I have that too, and also experience coffee (preferably with ample sugar) clearing the fog. Perhaps we have pseudodiabetes.

Funny thing is that exercise cures many of these symptoms, but the bitch is that one of them is a lack of desire to do so. So our logical mind must find a way to be a hardass. If it can't, you need to pay someone to be hardass on you, like a boot camp.

[tracekillz]

If you do go to the doctor (and you should, its always worth it just incase they can help), then ask for a full and comprehensive blood test, get the results printed out for your own records and don't just believe the doctor's classification of them all as "normal". The "normal" ranges for many parameters are quite wide and include some very undesirable highs and lows.


hm..its true that parameters can sometimes be wide..but they're based off of multiple things. if one thing is not even borderline low..or maybe it is borederline low, but everything else is normal, that could either mean there was a variable/misread or its inconsequential. it all depends..im not 100% sure about all of it, but i do know that one test can effect the outcome of another..whether its relevant or not and such.
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as for your problem...the only way youll find out is thru tests. ask them to test your thyroid. it could very well be that you have something funky goin on with your endocrine system. look up hypothyroidism. if so its usually treated with medication like synthroid. its worth lookin' into.

if its not that..then..off the top of my head..things that it COULD be..

sleep apnea, allergies, insomnia, diet (includes fluid intake/electrolytes and sugar), depression, anxiety, mm..thats about all off the top of my head..but i know theres tons more. need more specific signs/symptoms. hows your strength? reflex? skin color? eyes? do you feel sick? so much info so little time.

just go see the doc. youll have to anyway.

[ChukiDori]

My life style is very inactive...I ave an extremely low desire to perform any activity...I cant concentrate as well or focus as well (Stimulants help somewhat) I do eat bad...I lack the income to buy the foods i need and eat only what my dad buys...Alot of it is SHIT...my biggest concern is an adequate breakfast....I prefur my shake of Oats, Peanu Butter, bannana , Chocolate Whey, Skim milk and a multivitamin. But i just settle for mcdonalds since none of that is available XD....And im soo lazy and lathargic i cant cook decent meals....Ill just get so depressed and tired ill just eat something quick to make me feel good.

Im starting a new job as a CSR for a company, its a good job ...but i wont be able to see a doctor for weeks because i will be training/ getting paid full time...but im also worried about being able to perform my job ...


I have neglected to see a urologist...I have been having issues with that area as well (But it cant be an STD...I am not sexually active) But i have pain not only abdominaly but in the chest as well..and this pain PEAKS after say..ejaculating...it sucks..But i neglected to see him cuz ..They wont let me see a specialist on base (Im a Military dependent) And i have to go through alot of red tape to get an outside refferel and they guy he reffered me too was like ...Doctor Hamad Nahasapenapetalon or something..

[tracekillz]

well judging from your habits with eating AND activities, youre more than likely going to have multiple-diagnosises. ESPECIALLY with mcdonalds you gotta watch out. thats a very high cholesterol and sodium intake...way too high to be eating regularly.

your habits could possibly lead to (or already have) kidney dysfunctions, liver problems, respiratory problems, endocrine problems...its some bad stuff man. but because youre still young, lets hope its just temporary symptoms. you HAVE to start eating right...you HAVE to start being more active. dont head down that path.

the pain in your chest is more than likely some sort of respiratory problem or muscle function problem. since you dont have many vitamins in your diet..overload of protein..not enough carbs...too much saturated fat..trans fat..etc. maybe some physiological problems as well regarding your muscles. the biggest problem with mcdonalds (PROVEN) is pertaining to your kidneys and liver. watch out for discoloring of eyes...loss of vision, etc.

fatigue falls under the same factors.

take multivitamins..they're not that expensive. if youre military dependent then you should def. be able to get that and/or anything else you seek. DO IT NOW and dont wait on it. the sooner you address these issues, the better YOUR LIFE will be. guaranteed.

[receive]

hm..its true that parameters can sometimes be wide..but they're based off of multiple things. if one thing is not even borderline low..or maybe it is borederline low, but everything else is normal, that could either mean there was a variable/misread or its inconsequential. it all depends..im not 100% sure about all of it, but i do know that one test can effect the outcome of another..whether its relevant or not and such.

yes - the only way to see it properly is to get a full print-out of the results, and not just take the Dr's word for it that everything is normal. Its a rare doctor that actually looks at the results and considers them for what they are instead of just checking that they are each independantly within the prescribed ranges.
What you're suggesting about the need to consider the inter-relatedness of all the different results is way beyond the capacity of at least the NHS here in the UK and presumably most other health care providers.

ChukiDori - answer my questions about how long you've felt like this, when it changed, what else changed at the same time, etc.

[ChukiDori]

Oh geez....Several months...Maybe like june something...

I noticed it most of all when driving at night, Things seemed "Foggier" And i couldnt focus as well. I spent most of my time in doors, and had and continue to have very little social activity (No one wants to spend time with me :( ) I had my eyes checked and the eye doctor said my eyes were fine.

[receive]

And did this accompany any changes in your lifestyle? Did you start or stop doing something, or eat differently, etc, around the time this condition began?

[tracekillz]

yes - the only way to see it properly is to get a full print-out of the results, and not just take the Dr's word for it that everything is normal. Its a rare doctor that actually looks at the results and considers them for what they are instead of just checking that they are each independantly within the prescribed ranges.
What you're suggesting about the need to consider the inter-relatedness of all the different results is way beyond the capacity of at least the NHS here in the UK and presumably most other health care providers.

haha holy crap. what kind of health care do you have? you need to find some new doctors! haha..

[Steve]

Just about all doctors are failures actually

[Dragonic MiKe]

I used to think I had something like this.

But now I'm pretty sure I'm just a lazy fuck.

[tracekillz]

Just about all doctors are failures actually

you sure about that? i mean..i would HOPE they know what theyre doing. after all, i let them sedate me, cut me open, reattach the bones and ligaments in my leg, and give me medication. if they didnt know what they were doing then why would there be surgeries, prescriptions, diagnosises? not to mention all the advances they made..progress with medical technology. how many lives do you think they save? is the ER just for show? i hope you were being sarcastic.

[Teufel]

I always believe most health problems are caused by poor sleeping/eating habits. So your first step should be to cut out everything that isn't perfect for you, and when you sleep, wake up unassisted, to make sure you get the amount of sleep your body needs.

[ChukiDori]

No? Not rly...

[Teufel]

No? Not rly...

Assuming you're responding to my post: Believe what you want, but name any normal health problem you cna think of and most likely it's caused by poor diet.

What do you think causes health problems then? Just chance or something?

[ChukiDori]

I failed to observe this was 4 pages....I got to the bottom of the 3rd page and responded to the other guys post at the end of page 3

[Rahf]

Assuming you're responding to my post: Believe what you want, but name any normal health problem you cna think of and most likely it's caused by poor diet.

What do you think causes health problems then? Just chance or something?

Genetic defects never struck you as a plausible alternative?

[Tran]

You should get your blood test....you could either have iron-poor blood or low blood sugar.....its either one or to at least ruled out other causes and usually chronic fatigue syndrome go away on its own, since there is no effective treatment for chronic fatigue syndrome, and it can last for weeks, months or even years...well it depends on your diet, rest and exercise. What you should do is to take organic dietary supplement, exercising regularly but without causing more fatigue (I would prefer "yoga") and eat right 3 meals a day.

I used to have chronic fatigue syndrome when I was 15 for me it lasted for 6 months and there were times when I was so tired that I couldn't even breath (palpitation), most of the time it was hell when i'm at school couldn't even concentrate/think right and often feels like something just complete suck the energy out of me. I would slept 14 hours and still feels fatigue. I know how you feel Chuki my doctor dont even feel it's important enough to care...I even have all kinds blood test done and I notice I had low blood sugar (hypoglycemia) and they even say "Everything looks great" hell I even had high cholesterol of 256 at that time and still say "Everything is perferto" so I figure I'm all on this my own and thats what I did by taking many type of dietary supplement, exercise, diet basically completely change my lifestyle. (Prior to it I wasn't a healthy eater either X_x) haha eater either anyways hmm yeah

[Ashtar]

Just about all doctors are failures actually

I think a lot of them get into it for the prestige or money or family pressure or to get laid with nurses.

I like the ones who are secretly badasses like Dr. Tofu.

[Teufel]

Genetic defects never struck you as a plausible alternative?

I'm not talking about genetic defects you moron, I even wrote "and don't mention down syndrome or something" but I figured people would know what i'm talking about, thus I editted it out.

Also, don't mention the Ebola Virus. And no, you don't seem smart because you said "plausible alternative"