Trick Underappreciation

[Dynamist]

A lot of you may have noticed how tricking is not appreciated in the non-tricking community.

For example:

A normal tricking session in the park, maybe by yourself or with some of your tricking buddies.
Once in a while an on-looker approaches and asks what it is you are doing.
You respond with a brief description of Tricking, all of which makes perfect sense to you, but for the on-looker it virtually goes through one ear, and out the other.
The first thing they do is say in a stupid tone: "Do a backflip", which would be a reasonable request, if not for the fact that he had been watching you do backflips, 540s, 720s, hypertwists, etc for the last half hour, all of which, in a decent combo, are much more impressive than an individual backflip.
It has also come to my attention that at any XMA event/session/display, etc, the crowd is much more impressed by anything that suspends you upside-down in midair for a quarter of a second (you can usually tell by the gasps and clapping they make when said moves are performed), than a decent btwist or 540.
This proves how people don't appreciate just how difficult learning a 540 or btwist really is, which brings me to my conclusion.

Trickers are the elite, and only we can fully appreciate this fact.

[Alexx]

You've got that right, without a doubt, fellow trickers will apreciate a well executed 540 over a backflip in a lot of cases, based on varying styles and techniques people use.

I think trickers like seeing things such as 540's because they can appreciate how technically difficult they are to get right and look good.

[F O X]

Most people I know are actually amazed by a btwist haha.
However, they can't tell the difference between that and a hyperhook :agony:

[shreddakj]

Exactly! you are correct.

[Dizzy]

so tru but get useda it...its the same in any performance sport..u cant fully appreciate it unless u actually do it or understand it to as much a degree

on a side note...Dynamist where in Aus are u from?

[Rudy]

Your correct! Now give the man his prize

[Birch]

WA arent you?

[Dynamist]

so tru but get useda it...its the same in any performance sport..u cant fully appreciate it unless u actually do it or understand it to as much a degree

on a side note...Dynamist where in Aus are u from?

Melbourne.

[shreddakj]

That's close enough to WA.....

haha.

[Dizzy]

Melbourne.

know team GS?

[Dynamist]

Seen them, know about them, but never met them.

[Dynamist]

Also, I encourage anyone who is prepared to work hard to learn how to trick, but hate those assholes who think it's easy from the beginning.

[ChrisMack]

yeah ive had varied responses once i did a gainer and a group of girls were screaming and shit haha then i did a back flip same response, then a Btwist and they were like "....wtf" on the other hand i did a btwist as school and people where like holy shit ! thats amazing etc. :D

[shreddakj]

Yeah. I wanna learn a backflip and some other tricks and see what people think is more impressive, a backflip or some crazy 1080 kick.

[Braka]

They do like combos though! a nice clean long one! mmm sounded kinda dirty haha.

[Skilzat85X]

Corks make them squeal.

[Peleke]

Corks make them squeal.

I swear to God I read this as 'Cocks make them squeal'. To which I concur.

Yes, flips are all that's appreciated by the general public haha.

*Triple B-twist Swing Thru Triple Cork Cali Roll Double Double Leg Flash Kick*

"HOLY SHIT! HE JUST DID A BACKFLIP!"

[shengoikee]

girls have screamed when i've done 720s haha

this makes me smile

[Tony Nguyen]

same issue has been happenin wit bboyin since day one people just want to see powermoves, and barely care about flavor which is the essence of it all.

[thereid]

girls have screamed when i've done 720s haha

this makes me smile
Well you should try not to hit them next time.

[Sam H]

This thread is awesome. :good:

[shengoikee]

Well you should try not to hit them next time.

haha excellent...

[Jujimufu]

Since I pretty much only trick outside in public places, and almost every session this summer was greeted by someone or some people, I can say you are close but not quite. The thing is, it's not backflips or any thing that suspends you in air upside down for a quarter of a second that necessarily makes them go "wow!", it's just the fact that almost all kicks or most things that aren't flips that have the kick element to them do not.

One kid asked me to do a b-twist over and over again, he liked that move so much. One group I met thought the gfull was the coolest thing in the world and I got the best reaction from that trick than from my others when I was demo'ing some stuff for them. One guy was interested in my aerial moves. One guy seemed to really dig my double leg. People on a boat floating by roared at me in joy when I did a quick flash kick at the marina. Etc/

Nobody seemed to care much for any kicks I did. This was just my experience. I met a ton of people this summer tricking out at parks and shit; Kicks just aren't popular for most outsiders.

:vampire:

[Hapkidoka]

On the flip side (no pun intended):
The only time I've really ever had my kicks be appreciated is in a martial arts setting (dojang, tournament, seminar, etc.). Yet, it seems that in those environments I end up catching criticism from MA purists for moves with flips or excessive twists.

Alas, the best place to trick and have all aspects be appreciated is... around other tricksters.

The real question is, "Does that really bother you?"

[Siphin]

kicks don't impress people around here unless there in the combo

[Less than Dan]

Haha, we're "elite". Right.

We're so elite, that we'll scream about how "hardcore" we are, but at the same time, complain how a pepsi gives us a tummy ache. God forbid if anyone eats at Mcdonalds.

[Dynamist]

Since I pretty much only trick outside in public places, and almost every session this summer was greeted by someone or some people, I can say you are close but not quite. The thing is, it's not backflips or any thing that suspends you in air upside down for a quarter of a second that necessarily makes them go "wow!", it's just the fact that almost all kicks or most things that aren't flips that have the kick element to them do not.

That was what I originally meant to say. :smile:

[Skilzat85X]

People seem to like 540s a weeee bit.

I guess sideswipes count as sort of flip and kick since you go upside down which to the average eye is the same as flipping lol.

[Dynamist]

Haha a mate of mine is really interested in parkour and tricking (though he doesn't really know what they're called). One day he told me he's gonna go home and try a backflip because he saw it in a movie. The next day he comes to school telling me his neck hurts like hell.

He probably didn't tuck. :punched:

[Peleke]

The real question is, "Does that really bother you?"

Nope ^_^ And It really shouldn't.


Haha, we're "elite". Right.

We're so elite, that we'll scream about how "hardcore" we are, but at the same time, complain how a pepsi gives us a tummy ache. God forbid if anyone eats at Mcdonalds.

Haha <3

[Birch]

the most severly annoying thing i get is the
- "do that one where you run forwards and do a backflip"
-"a gainer?"
- "no! the one where you run and do a flip!!"
-"its called a gainer" *gainer*

"WOAH GUIZ HE DID A BACK FLIP!!"




That or the people who dont like it say "yeah you keep doing your kung fu"

[Peleke]

That or the people who dont like it say "yeah you keep doing your kung fu"

Yeah that bothers me as much as the tricksters who whine about it, actually, haha.

[Less than Dan]

One time, alllll the way back in high school, I did a backflip and actually LANDED on top of this black chick.

The result was loud, not unlike hearing a bird getting run over by a steamroller.

[Peleke]

One time, alllll the way back in high school, I did a backflip and actually LANDED on top of this black chick.

The result was loud, not unlike hearing a bird getting run over by a steamroller.

You must've jumped pretty high.

Or she musta been pretty short/unconcious.

Haha, you say all the way back like you're thirty. What year of college are you in?

[Tony Nguyen]

its overall execution of the move, if u do it clean high and fast itll be empressive no matter which trick it is.

[Spyder_V]

I, personally, have come to the conclusion that when "showing off" some tricks, it's best to go with the simplest of tricks. Regular people will not notice the difference between a btwist or a double twist. Gainer flash or a gainer triple flash. Cork or a double cork.

To them, once you begin twisting, it matters if you stop at one or eight rotations. They just want to see you jump and do stuff in the air.

[Less than Dan]

You must've jumped pretty high.

Or she musta been pretty short/unconcious.

Haha, you say all the way back like you're thirty. What year of college are you in?

My second, ho hoho.

If I must say for myself, I have quite the high back tuck.

And Mr. Spyder, that's the philosophy I see too. The simple tricks are often, when in excellent form, the most pleasing to the eye.

[Peleke]

My second, ho hoho.


I'm in my second of High School haha. Ugh. :(

[Martialartsguyfl]

its overall execution of the move, if u do it clean high and fast itll be empressive no matter which trick it is.

yuppppppp




or just do a 540 hook touch down raiz to gainerflash or something

[Less than Dan]

Spyder, what is that song you use in your failure sampler? I love it. (The first song)

[Tatsumaru]

I gotta agree with kicks not being popular by outsiders: yesterday I had a session in this very crowded place with a buddy who got his gainerflash that session. People were looking at it in awe, and our roundoff backflips, btwists and axe2aerials were 'spectaculair' and greeted with 'oh wow!' as well. When I busted the best cheat720 of my life, or just a couple of 540's, sideswipes or cool kicking combo's, you could almost hear the crickets chirp haha.

Also, somebody asked us if we were doing Karate. Oh geez :dead:

[MasamKilik]

A lot of you may have noticed how tricking is not appreciated in the non-tricking community.

For example:

A normal tricking session in the park, maybe by yourself or with some of your tricking buddies.
Once in a while an on-looker approaches and asks what it is you are doing.
You respond with a brief description of Tricking, all of which makes perfect sense to you, but for the on-looker it virtually goes through one ear, and out the other.
The first thing they do is say in a stupid tone: "Do a backflip", which would be a reasonable request, if not for the fact that he had been watching you do backflips, 540s, 720s, hypertwists, etc for the last half hour, all of which, in a decent combo, are much more impressive than an individual backflip.
It has also come to my attention that at any XMA event/session/display, etc, the crowd is much more impressed by anything that suspends you upside-down in midair for a quarter of a second (you can usually tell by the gasps and clapping they make when said moves are performed), than a decent btwist or 540.
This proves how people don't appreciate just how difficult learning a 540 or btwist really is, which brings me to my conclusion.

Trickers are the elite, and only we can fully appreciate this fact.

Hahahaha, it's unbelievable how that exact scenario you just described happens soooo often. "Do a back flip." is the most common phrase I hear in a day, it makes me sad. :eh::sad:

[Dynamist]

Another scenario:

Just a warmup session in public or at school.
Some Albanian dickheads come up (Two biggest gangs around here are Albanians and Afghans).
One of them are like "Omg stop thinking you're Bruce Lee or some shit".

I hate people who compare you with Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, etc.

[shengoikee]

One group I met thought the gfull was the coolest thing in the world and I got the best reaction from that trick than from my others when I was demo'ing some stuff for them.

GAINERFULLS!! YES!

[shreddakj]

I hate people who compare you with Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, etc.

Yeah lame, they could never do anything beyond Class C I bet!!


I only get compared with "dude you suck!" or "haha noob"

I'll get there I guess.

[erufukami]

Tricksters ARE the elite.... and.... it's a long known fact that people suck.

[shengoikee]

this is so true haha

[Shaolin.dk]

Some of my ex-mates in the school loved to fight and heard that I was doing martial arts, they asked me to show some "cool powerful kicks" I did a 540 and they thought It was the coolest thing in the world, much cooler than a aerial or Btwist. They liked the 540 better because they said something like "you can't use aerial or btwist in a fight". I think it depends which persons you show the tricks to.:wink:

[Dynamist]

That's true. Some people understand and appreciate the kick for what it's worth, while others are just ignorant fucktards.

[shengoikee]

it's just as ignorant thinking it can be used to kick someone if you think about it....

[Dynamist]

Well it has been used in sparring or tournaments.

[Shaolin.dk]

Well it has been used in sparring or tournaments.

Be careful with your statements about the´+360 rotation kicks in fights. Experienced martial artists don't waste times talking about how it can be used in a fight. It simply aint worth the risk to do in a fight because its super hard to actually hit your target in a fight.

[Dynamist]

I didn't say it should be used, I said it has been used. :smile:

[Shaolin.dk]

I didn't say it should be used, I said it has been used. :smile:

Yeah okay, thats right..

[Dynamist]

Very rarely though.

Take this guy for example.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OOtf7dgT-K8

[Shaolin.dk]

But thats a tornado?

[Dynamist]

Yes I know. :tongue:

But if you think about it would it really be possible to land on your kicking leg, if you had kicked the person in the head?

[Sam H]

Kick = all the momentum stops when you hit the target = no chance in hell you will land on that foot

Of course, you could miss, but then what's the point in that? :tongue:

[erufukami]

But thats a tornado?

Autoban. it's a hop step... not really any jumping included. Sucks when I had to "learn" it cause..... i like to jump.

As far as carrying through into a 540.... yeah..... IFF (with two effs means if and only if) you didn't catch him over his neck. Meaning if you just caught him in the front of his jaw....

[Dynamist]

Kick = all the momentum stops when you hit the target = no chance in hell you will land on that foot

Of course, you could miss, but then what's the point in that? :tongue:

It might scare them for a second.

[Butteroll]

my friend once did a cork for someone and they said "pfft..I wanted a backflip". wtf is with people and only wanting "backflips"? I mean fuk if I saw someone do a b-twist or a fucking cork I'd shit myself and go "holy fuk I wanna do that". But no, the general public sucks balls.

[G-sus]

Yeah, hairy balls!

[Spyder_V]

Another great example... yesterday. I went out on grass for the first time in 2 months (I'm allergic), but just because I had nowhere else to trick at the time. I was drilling btwist s/t. Anyways... from the other side of a pond, some white frat boys start watching me and asking me to do a backflip. Wow. So, I do a RO Flash. And, I like to think my RO Flashes are decently high, but apparently they just wanted a tuck... they jeered and shouted incoherent bullshit as I continued to drill corks and some kick combos.

They wouldn't leave :sad:

[Surge]

The people I know like corks more than my backflips haha
And they aren't trickers.

[Skilzat85X]

GAINERFULLS!! YES!
My exact thoughts ahahaha.

[Peleke]

it's just as ignorant thinking it can be used to kick someone if you think about it....

Hahaha

[Less than Dan]

Kicks are for fags like Dave Hill.

[Alexx]

nice avatar you got there dan !

[Less than Dan]

Haha! Why thank you, my fine man. You know how I like them boys with them english accents ;)

[Alexx]

haha boys you say !

evenin' gov'na'

[Skilzat85X]

Haha, in response to the following image:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/Skilzat99X/ch7.gif
"Tamella" (4:28:00 PM): ahahah i like your flippy thingies
Me (4:27:53 PM): lol
Me (4:27:56 PM): i dont even flip haha
Me (4:28:01 PM): i stay vertical
Me (4:28:03 PM): the whole time
"Tamella" (4:28:28 PM): ahaha
"Tamella" (4:28:29 PM): whatever

You can't escape from flipping!

[Dragonic MiKe]

lol.

So that's where your avatar's from.

May I inquire as to why there is a microwave sitting on the wall?

[Skilzat85X]

Ahahah. It's the air conditioning unit on the over-the-wall neighbors house.

[erufukami]

Bullshit. That's a microwave you big fat fatty.



On the topic of crowd pleasing... lets start on the subject of the EPIC..... wallflip.

[Inkrepid]

Not that I can achieve such a feat, but things such as teradas quintuple flash kick etc would probably receive the most respect. something high, fast, and with lots of things going on at once

[Skilzat85X]

I'm putting my money on CrazyAsian's Full-Flash-Full in the FS vs FF gathering. COMPLETE MADNESS

[jeff3]

The best reactions i ever had was from an almost vertical sideswipe.

Other than that...I agree that you can only fully appreciate tricking or the elements of tricking if you have attempted it or perhaps done one of the sports that tricking mixes together other than that i doubt most people understand the difficulty in learning and "perfecting" a lot of the tricks.

[shreddakj]

Haha, in response to the following image:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/Skilzat99X/ch7.gif


You can't escape from flipping!

Lol, that's just sad...

[shengoikee]

Kicks are for fags like Dave Hill.

lets hold hands =)

[Dynamist]

I bring this thread back from the dead.

[thaison]

yeah i agree..

its always 'BACKFLIP!'

[Dynamist]

"OMG Jackie Chan is so cool! I saw him do a flip in some asian movie once."

[pete_man_man]

i'm pretty sure that if i could snapuswipe then i could make even preadolescents cum in their pants

[carney]

The first thing they do is say in a stupid tone: "Do a backflip", which would be a reasonable request, if not for the fact that he had been watching you do backflips, 540s, 720s, hypertwists, etc for the last half hour, all of which, in a decent combo, are much more impressive than an individual backflip.

Oh man, So sooo sooo true i fucking hate that, and i have had it done so many times i just have learned to some how filter and ignore them off the face of the planet.

About the rest of your post to though man its all so right!

[tuareg]

A lot of you may have noticed how tricking is not appreciated in the non-tricking community.

For example:

A normal tricking session in the park, maybe by yourself or with some of your tricking buddies.
Once in a while an on-looker approaches and asks what it is you are doing.
You respond with a brief description of Tricking, all of which makes perfect sense to you, but for the on-looker it virtually goes through one ear, and out the other.
The first thing they do is say in a stupid tone: "Do a backflip", which would be a reasonable request, if not for the fact that he had been watching you do backflips, 540s, 720s, hypertwists, etc for the last half hour, all of which, in a decent combo, are much more impressive than an individual backflip.
It has also come to my attention that at any XMA event/session/display, etc, the crowd is much more impressed by anything that suspends you upside-down in midair for a quarter of a second (you can usually tell by the gasps and clapping they make when said moves are performed), than a decent btwist or 540.
This proves how people don't appreciate just how difficult learning a 540 or btwist really is, which brings me to my conclusion.

Trickers are the elite, and only we can fully appreciate this fact.

Ahah of course people are going to be more impressed by a backflip than a double cork even. Tricking is far too complicated for non trickers to understand.

You can't really blame people who don't trick just because they don't know the difference between tricks and their difficulty level.

Hell if i wasn't a tricker i couldn't tell either, neither could most of this forum.

[HyperLee]

wow much truth in that!!! lol "do a backflip" exactly, but if you do a flashkick.........thats when they wonder "who is this guy?" so whenever i hear "do a backflip" outta instinct i bust out a flashkick

[anerky]

wow much truth in that!!! lol "do a backflip" exactly, but if you do a flashkick.........thats when they wonder "who is this guy?" so whenever i hear "do a backflip" outta instinct i bust out a flashkick

Yes, I think that people deserve more credit than we give them.
You do a hyperhook after a btwist and they aren't going to go, "omfg..itzz a hyperhook lol!" However, they will see that it was somehow cooler and more vicious looking.

Do you guys seriously expect people to say, "hey! do a scoot>bs hyper9!"

Unless you are dealing with the absolute dullest of crack nukkas, people will be more impressed by a more difficult trick...so long as you do it well.

[Theme]

i useally get this comment "OMG he jumped salto!" "Can you do that again PLEASE?!" "Can you jump a forward salto?"

is salto an international word? eh if it ain't i'll translate: fucking stupid word used instead of flip.

Backflip pwns all you can ever do as a trickster..
"yeah yeah you can twist like a fag but CAN YOU BACKFLIP!?"

[David M.]

lol who cares if those who do not know what tricking is, appreciate it? im disgusted by those who know what tricking is, manage to rate other trickers, yet dont trick themselves or have tried to yet fail.

[900rmk]

Bullshit. That's a microwave you big fat fatty.



On the topic of crowd pleasing... lets start on the subject of the EPIC..... wallflip.

Oh god! Wallflip is pretty much the lamest crowd pleaser ever! It never fails that we have a group of noobs at the gym trying this. And do one in a public place and you instantly become a god. :dead::dead::dead:

[Origional]

this is probably why its so hard to get people to trick

[Dynamist]

Oh god! Wallflip is pretty much the lamest crowd pleaser ever! It never fails that we have a group of noobs at the gym trying this. And do one in a public place and you instantly become a god. :dead::dead::dead:

And it doesn't help either that everyone below the age of 25 has shits a brick when they see something close to The Matrix.

[Jopez]

One guy said once that he did something like ro-full in gym in the front of some young tricksters/traceurs, and they were like "well, that was cool but can you do a backflip?"

[anerky]

One guy said once that he did something like ro-full in gym in the front of some young tricksters/traceurs, and they were like "well, that was cool but can you do a backflip?"

If this is true then I retract my last statement...
these people do not deserve more credit. Apparently, for some inexplicable reason, everyone who witnesses tricks instantly develops a borderline mental deficiency.

I still believe that people will always be impressed by well performed tricks, regardless of it being a kick, flip or twist....
unless the person is genuinely trying to be a douche.

[carney]

Tonight on stage i tricked in front of 400+ people, I got about 10 or so people complement me after the small basic performance. However i just sat wondering what i would be like in front of 400 trickers.

The appreciation & conversations i would have with people about my tricks or ways i could get the mechanics better...

*sigh* if only!

[Dynamist]

Haha I could imagine something like that.

*executes combo*

(Handful of trickers)
"Oh yeah that was pretty good but he needs to straighten his leg and point his toes"

"Well yes but he still needs more power in his kick, looks a bit whippy."

"I disagree, but he could have done more with the cheat setup for that c7. Maybe a few crescent kicks"

(everyone else)
"OH MY GOD HE DID A BACKFLIP!!"

[carney]

Haha I could imagine something like that.

*executes combo*

(Handful of trickers)
"Oh yeah that was pretty good but he needs to straighten his leg and point his toes"

"Well yes but he still needs more power in his kick, looks a bit whippy."

"I disagree, but he could have done more with the cheat setup for that c7. Maybe a few crescent kicks"

(everyone else)
"OH MY GOD HE DID A BACKFLIP!!"

hahaha basically man!:tongue:

[Roxas]

worst is when i did a btwist one day, and that dude came to me and said "did you just spin 3 times?!!!"

[Gio_mama_earth]

My friends are ignorant and that's about it. I go to my friends parties and they ask me to do something, which 99% of the time i ignore, and pretty much a backflip or a btwist is what makes them go "WOAH". I wish i lived near more trickers :eh:

[uFail]

They don't appreciate my floaty Tornado kicks in TKD. They say I lack the form. 360 Roundhouses to glory!