The Warrior Diet

[Raizen]

Has anyone read that book or heard of the whole idea? I havent gotten it yet. My friend said it was good though. Written by Ori somethingorother...

[shengoikee]

does it turn you into a warrior?

[Syvo]

I remember seeing this posted long ago. Good riddance.

[compleks]

Meh. Some people swear by it. Others think it's stupid.

Again, there isn't any solid evidence either way.

Each to their own I guess.

[receive]

Intermittent fasting (IF) has become a fairly well-known approach, a few years ago everyone LOLed at the Warrior Diet but now, at least on certain forums, that kind of thing is quite credible. There's now lots of research available about IF and its effects.

Note that IF lacks rigid definition and the Warrior Diet is just one possible style of it. Some these days are basically skipping breakfast and calling it IF, but I think it should be called just skipping breakfast.

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=19674 <-- mentions the Warrior Diet

http://leangains.blogspot.com/ <-- another kind of IF, discussed here:
http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=29505


My experience with IF is generally very good. Its not hard to overcome the fear of losing all your muscle and turning skinny fat, once you see that quite the opposite happens. For hunger control it is definately superior for me and it seems many others - but a lot of people find frequent eating to be better instead.
The longest I've fasted was about 36 hours and it didn't end well. After about 24 hours things start getting weird but up to ~20 I feel great. For me the approach I'd take would be to eat in the evening, up to about 8pm or whatever, then nothing until maybe 4pm the following day.
I currently don't use IF all the time, but a few days a week would be good for it. In general any kind of cycling of the diet seems superior to a steady intake of nutrients.

[short gorilla]

I'm on this diet. I eat warriors for breakfast.

[Kitosho]

IF is a great idea for health. Ori Hofmekler is extremely healthy, extremely ripped, and he is about as strong as a wet kitten. There are guys who do it well though:

www.leangains.blogspot.com - Dude is everything Pavel dreams of being. Skinny and crazy strong. David Hook, that really ripped Swedish fellow who posted on the T-nation forums, uses it now too. and Josh Davis from the P and B has been trying it with (i assume) good results, and he's a big strong sumbitch.

[Rahf]

If I didn't eat breakfast I'd end up chomping down on the next human being I came in contact with.

[Lobo]

Someone explain to me why IF is beneficial and how it works in a nutshell, pls.

[compleks]

Fasting is great, when you're asleep.

[receive]

Someone explain to me why IF is beneficial and how it works in a nutshell, pls.

The fasting improves various factors (hormonal, and other shit), leading to better health and stuff. You've heard of the apparent health benefits (and longevity issues) of caloric restriction - IF causes similar changes without overall caloric restriction.

Many who practice IF believe it causes better nutrient partioning than regular meals.

Also there's the aspect described a lot in the WD book relating to the feeling of energy and mental clarity that people report from it. Many feel pretty shit when fasting, though - but it is certainly a high proportion who feel great. I've seen it suggested that "fat adapted" subjects tend to do better with low meal frequency while people used to carbs every 2hrs do quite poorly, being less able to metabolise their bodyfat...

When trying to lose weight, IF can make it a lot easier to eat much less overall in a day.

[receive]

Here's a good description of one person's take on IF:
http://www.arthurdevany.com/2006/12/intermittent_fa_2.html

[Rahf]

The fasting improves various factors (hormonal, and other shit), leading to better health and stuff. You've heard of the apparent health benefits (and longevity issues) of caloric restriction - IF causes similar changes without overall caloric restriction.

Many who practice IF believe it causes better nutrient partioning than regular meals.

Also there's the aspect described a lot in the WD book relating to the feeling of energy and mental clarity that people report from it. Many feel pretty shit when fasting, though - but it is certainly a high proportion who feel great. I've seen it suggested that "fat adapted" subjects tend to do better with low meal frequency while people used to carbs every 2hrs do quite poorly, being less able to metabolise their bodyfat...

When trying to lose weight, IF can make it a lot easier to eat much less overall in a day.

I'd think it would be the opposite. After going hungry all day you engorge yourself during those hours of eating and possibly overeat? That's a personal thought though. Some find IF works and some don't, just like every diet out there.

And of course those who try IF and stay on it will say it is great in pretty much every aspect. That's the same as asking somebody on Atkin's diet about carbs.

Bottom line: I will probably not try it but I won't fight against it like I do with carb-haters. It does work for some. I am in no way endorsing this for kids, they shouldn't worry about dieting other than eating well-rounded meals.

[Kitosho]

Bottom line: I will probably not try it but I won't fight against it like I do with carb-haters. It does work for some. I am in no way endorsing this for kids, they shouldn't worry about dieting other than eating well-rounded meals.




carbs are shit nobody needs them you're retarded

[Rahf]

carbs are shit nobody needs them you're retarded

I love you too sweetie.

[receive]

I'd think it would be the opposite. After going hungry all day you engorge yourself during those hours of eating and possibly overeat? That's a personal thought though. Some find IF works and some don't, just like every diet out there.

And of course those who try IF and stay on it will say it is great in pretty much every aspect. That's the same as asking somebody on Atkin's diet about carbs.

Bottom line: I will probably not try it but I won't fight against it like I do with carb-haters. It does work for some. I am in no way endorsing this for kids, they shouldn't worry about dieting other than eating well-rounded meals.

yea, I think I acknowledged that many people do find frequent feedings to be better than infrequent, for hunger control and calorie control. Although, most haven't ever tried IF.

IF needn't lead to problematic binging - reduce the risk of it by not buying and keeping junky high-calorie-density foods. With me, I'm not satisified with a meal of a size below a certain threshold and eating many small meals risks over-eating at every single one. Its much easier for me to just eat twice a day or whatever and miss out many potential meals than try to just eat a little bit each time and never be satisfied.
Perhaps for people who have trouble eating enough then more frequent feedings is better since it does seem to raise one's appetite and allow for more food to be eaten overall.

As for IF not being advisable to noobs - yes I agree completely, there's more important considerations and IF would confuse things quite a bit. Its really only something that should be considered when you know your body and how it responds to things, what signs to look out for, etc.

[Ashtar]

Ori used to write articles for Playboy.

[Rahf]

yea, I think I acknowledged that many people do find frequent feedings to be better than infrequent, for hunger control and calorie control. Although, most haven't ever tried IF.

IF needn't lead to problematic binging - reduce the risk of it by not buying and keeping junky high-calorie-density foods. With me, I'm not satisified with a meal of a size below a certain threshold and eating many small meals risks over-eating at every single one. Its much easier for me to just eat twice a day or whatever and miss out many potential meals than try to just eat a little bit each time and never be satisfied.
Perhaps for people who have trouble eating enough then more frequent feedings is better since it does seem to raise one's appetite and allow for more food to be eaten overall.

As for IF not being advisable to noobs - yes I agree completely, there's more important considerations and IF would confuse things quite a bit. Its really only something that should be considered when you know your body and how it responds to things, what signs to look out for, etc.

You added a type of person there. I meant to only say kids but you're right, it applies to people who are just getting to know their own physical limits as well as explore the basics of nutrition, training and all that comes with it.

[Steve]

where is rock_ten

[compleks]

Receive is rock_tens 'alter ego' (account he uses when he is banned).

[Robo]

Not eating = Death. Seems logical to me. But hey, I'm not a nutrition guru like everyone else on the internet.

[Kitosho]

Not eating = Death. Seems logical to me. But hey, I'm not a nutrition guru like everyone else on the internet.




You're a fucking idiot. You have not even been paying the slightest attention to what is being discussed.

[Ashtar]

What makes me suspicious of the warrior diet is how he sells warrior diet products. I mean, it doesn't make it wrong, just makes me want to take a close look.

[wi boo]

Wouldn't skipping meals and then eating larger meals 2 times a day have a bad impact on your metabolism? How exactly does skipping smaller meals throughout the day benefit your fitness/strength/whatever?

[Steve]

It's just utterly wrong of course, and that eating schedule would only be desirable for someone who actually does go searching for food all day.

[Ashtar]

Why's it utterly wrong? Hofmekler argues that the idea that your muscles begin to cannibalize if you don't eat after a couple hours is nonsense, and that it might help preserve muscle. I think the latter is stretching a bit, I have no means of properly evaluating his evidence.

[Raizen]

does it turn you into a warrior?

one would assume so

[Andy Longcat]

I'm on this diet. I eat warriors for breakfast.

you eat warriors?

for breakfast?!!