Personal Trainers

[Skilzat85X]

Who let's them get away with telling people they can get rid of their stomach fat by doing "difficult stomach exercises."


It's preposterous.

Note I'm referring to one's who work at like, the local community gyms, 24 Hour Fitness, etc. I mean really, even if it's for all the random people who don't really know crap about fitness, they could at least get people who know what they're talking about. :ogre:

And the thing is, people won't believe reason over them just cause they're personal trainers haha.

[compleks]

I don't have to put up with it myself. But if I did hear them saying that, I would probably just ignore it.

Unless someone actually asks my opinion, then I don't usually involve myself.

[anfeyd]

I am in a weight training class at the University of Pittsburgh. Sadly, my teacher (a masters student) claims that high reps tone, and he taught the whole class how to straight leg roundback deadlift. He taught squats with a semi-wide stance and his toes pointing forward. Here was his exact words, "I haven't done squats in a while because I have bad knees." Probably from doing squats like that hah. Needless to say, I hardly ever listen to him.

[Birch]

did you cap 'is ass?

[Karlnold]

There's "Personal Trainiers" and Personal Trainers.

[Skilzat85X]

There's "Personal Trainiers" and Personal Trainers.
Yea that's very true.


The thing that motivated me to post this is the fact that now (dunno how it happened haha) many of my "normal" high school friends have started going to gyms and such. And by normal, I mean doesn't really know jack about fitness principles.
And then they say all this CRAP personal trainers tell them to do to do things like lose stomach fat by doing these complicated ab exercises. And then when I'm like, uhh basically "no that's stupid that won't work like they say it will" they can always resort to the retort "well THEY'RE a personal trainer."
It's RAPING time.

I think it depends on the place of whether their a real quality personal trainer or just a normal person turned trainer personal trainer. Like at the gyms around here for people aging from young adults to old people, basically the entire community, they're just gonna have a bunch of people in there telling people what they wanna hear.

[Rahf]

Yea that's very true.


The thing that motivated me to post this is the fact that now (dunno how it happened haha) many of my "normal" high school friends have started going to gyms and such. And by normal, I mean doesn't really know jack about fitness principles.
And then they say all this CRAP personal trainers tell them to do to do things like lose stomach fat by doing these complicated ab exercises. And then when I'm like, uhh basically "no that's stupid that won't work like they say it will" they can always resort to the retort "well THEY'RE a personal trainer."
It's RAPING time.

I think it depends on the place of whether their a real quality personal trainer or just a normal person turned trainer personal trainer. Like at the gyms around here for people aging from young adults to old people, basically the entire community, they're just gonna have a bunch of people in there telling people what they wanna hear.

Tell them to ask their personal trainer to give them solid proof that doing this and that ab-exercise will give them significant fat loss results. Say it to their face and get them to ask their trainer. I reckon the response will be interesting.

[Ashtar]

Apparently the spot reduction myth is making a comeback, with some people theorizing that the extra blood flow to an area resulting from exercise helps in freeing fatty acids from the cells for metabolization. I don't think that's been proven at all though, and even if it was, it seems like more of something that would only help those with already-existing circulation problems. Blood going to an area doesn't mean that the hormones that stimulate triglyceride release are going to attach to the fat cell receptors after all, though I admit, I have no idea how exactly they target specific cells in specific orders. People keep saying the genes define which fat zones are used for fuel first, but never how that actually occurs.

[Final Prophecy]

Well, the fact that idiots actually believe in spot reducing gives US an advantage. Let them stay that way, doing crunches to remove the fat from their stomach.

Yeah and im pretty sure your last statement is true, ashtar, but spot reducing doesn't help that out, lol.

[Rahf]

Aerobic exercise increases whole-body adipose tissue lipolysis, but is lipolysis higher in subcutaneous adipose tissue (SCAT) adjacent to contracting muscles than in SCAT adjacent to resting muscles?

Ten healthy, overnight-fasted males performed one-legged knee extension exercise at 25% of maximal workload (Wmax) for 30 minutes followed by exercise at 55% Wmax for 120 minutes with the other leg and finally exercised at 85% Wmax for 30 minutes with the first leg.

Subjects rested for 30 minutes between exercise periods. Femoral SCAT blood flow was estimated from washout of (133)Xe and lipolysis was calculated from femoral SCAT interstitial and arterial glycerol concentrations and blood flow.

In general, blood flow as well as lipolysis was higher in femoral SCAT adjacent to contracting than adjacent to resting muscle (time 15-30 min: blood flow: 25% Wmax: 6.6 +/- 1.0 vs. 3.9 +/- 0.8 ml 100 g(-1) min(-1), P < 0.05; 55% Wmax: 7.3 +/- 0.6 vs. 5.0 +/- 0.6, P < 0.05; 85% Wmax: 6.6 +/- 1.3 vs. 5.9 +/- 0.7, P > 0.05; lipolysis: 25% Wmax: 102 +/- 19 vs. 55 +/- 14 nmol 100 g(-1) min(-1), P = 0.06; 55% Wmax: 86 +/- 11 vs. 50 +/- 20, P > 0.05; 85% Wmax: 88 +/- 31 vs. -9 +/- 25, P < 0.05).

In conclusion, blood flow and lipolysis are generally higher in SCAT adjacent to contracting than adjacent to resting muscle irrespective of exercise intensity. Thus, specific exercises can induce "spot lipolysis" in adipose tissue.

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2006 Sep 19; Are blood flow and lipolysis in subcutaneous adipose tissue influenced by contractions in adjacent muscles in humans?

It might look like some hieroglyphs and some type of elvish to some of you. Spot reduction does exist and has been measured.

Observe people: Measurable, not noticeable. Cardiovascular training is good since it provokes a greater amount of fat taken from the abdominal fat cells when you're on a calorie deficit. You still need to be on a calorie deficit to actually lose fat, 1500 sit-ups or not.

[Scott]

I'm currently working with a personal trainer, who happens to be my brother-in-law. Excellent results, and unlike many of them he isn't a morAn. 500 lb squats and such, hooray. Anyways if he WAS, I'd say "HAY WAIT A MINUT LOL" when he said something that I felt was totalleh wrongs.


Rahf get on MSN your skills are needed!

[Ashtar]

Thanks Rahf, I think whatever study I read was that one or possibly some other similar one.

The thing is, the subjects in the study, were they otherwise inactive? If so, then the whole circulation problem comes up. Past a certain point, perhaps additional exercise/circulation does not increase fat mobilization in areas adjacent to the exercise. It may not be proportional to the amount of exercise past a certain point. In which case, it's more of an argument do work all muscels to help free up all fat stores in general.